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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on August 21, 2015, 11:22:51 PM
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candelista (1,932 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141183102
U.S. Said to Probe How Classified Data Got on Hillary Clinton’s Server
Here is how it works, kids: Classified e-mails are send on a secured network. In order to get them onto Hillary's private server they would have had to copy the e-mails and then send them on an unclassified server. There's a couple of law violations for each e-mail.
God help her if they find TS/SCI messages transmitted that way. Also if her 'aides' stipped off the classifications from e-mails before sending over unsecured channels. All felonies for every single item.
there is some indication that Clinton aides drew upon a variety of messages in classified information systems to produce summaries and updates of events in Libya and elsewhere and then sent them to Clinton or her aides using a private server.
That too is illegal.
Are Huma and Cheryl going to take the rap?
If there is any Justice left in this administration they'll join Hillary in prison.
magical thyme (11,976 posts)
16. says the Clinton team, versus the Inspector General
Different departments do their own classifying and de-classifying.
It appears that somebody from Hillary's staff lifted classified information from other departments -- which department would decide what info from their dept. is classified -- summarized it and passed it along.
That is why her spokespeople have been careful to say "It wasn't marked as classified." The documents the data originated from were marked classified, but they didn't add the classification markings to their emailed summaries.
There are also questions around the security on her server. That the emails from the time period in question weren't encrypted already shows a giant security hole.
Hillary will walk away more or less unscathed. Her IT staff in charge of security and whoever emailed the high security satellite data re: troop positions and movement, will not.
Of course... if Hillary would have used the secured servers as is required BY LAW none of this would be an issue.
magical thyme (11,976 posts)
79. because the State Dept retroactively stamped them 'classified' does not mean they didn't start out classified. It's a "definition of the word is" moment. Look closely at how they structure responses. "Nothing was marked as classified" doesn't mean it wasn't classified info. Only that somebody left off the classification when they took data from sources that were marked classified.
Likewise, the State Dept going back and covering tracks after the fact doesn't change the fact tht Hillary's staff pulled classified data and sent it to her without labeling it as such.
Exclusive: Dozens of Clinton emails were classified from the start, U.S. rules suggest
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/08/21/exclusive-dozens-of-clinton-emails-were-classified-from-the-sta/21225607/
The new stamps indicate that some of Clinton's emails from her time as the nation's most senior diplomat are filled with a type of information the U.S. government and the department's own regulations automatically deems classified from the get-go — regardless of whether it is already marked that way or not.
In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department's own "Classified" stamps now identify as so-called 'foreign government information.' The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.
"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the White House's National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.
Clinton and her senior staff routinely sent foreign government information among themselves on unsecured networks several times a month, if the State Department's markings are correct. Within the 30 email threads reviewed by Reuters, Clinton herself sent at least 17 emails that contained this sort of information. In at least one case it was to a friend, Sidney Blumenthal, not in government.
Well well... that's not good at all.
TwilightGardener (45,108 posts)
17. One of the emails was forwarded to her private server containing info on current troop movements in Libya and possible movement of Ambassador Stevens away from Benghazi--that would be classified WHEN it was sent.
How horrible would it be if it turned out Hillary's loose e-mails caused the death of 4 Americans?
hrmjustin (62,340 posts)
12. Fair enough but to me it is all a big nothing.
Typical response from a Hillary low information voter.
candelista (1,932 posts)
6. Would she use a private server as President?
Maybe she's learned her lesson, but maybe not. Maybe the lesson was just "be more careful."
:cheersmate:
7962 (5,362 posts)
9. Here's the biggest problem I have with her nonsense:
When I was in the military, we ALL took a class on classified materials. How to recognize if something SHOULD be considered classified regardless of whether or not it was marked as such. The whole point was to be able to recognize what you were looking at.
To me, there's 2 options. Either Hillary was lying or she was incompetent. In her position, she should have known instantly that she was looking at material that SHOULD have been marked as some sort of classification.
exactly.
Eugene Stoner (46 posts)
20. Possible Felony
Hillary Clinton and two aides appear to have violated two national security laws by sending classified information on a private email server,
The first is 18 USC Sec. 1924, which outlaws the unauthorized removal and storage of classified information. Penalties can include fines and imprisonment for up to one year.
A second federal statute that prosecutors could use to charge Clinton and her aides is 18 USC Sec. 793, a more serious felony statute. That law covers national defense information and people who misuse it to injure the United States or benefit a foreign power.
Those convicted of violating that law face fines and up to 10 years in prison
Yup. Of course the loons at DU won't stand for that:
still_one (38,177 posts)
27. Really, so in your infinite wisdom, your sage legal mind has come to that conclusion. Pray tell
when it doesn't occur, what are you going to say?
did you miss the word "COULD"?
madokie (44,506 posts)
48. **** the republiCONs and their witch hunt
what a pack of losers they are.
underthematrix (1,212 posts)
54. This is the key part of this article:
there is some indication that Clinton aides drew upon a variety of messages in classified information systems to produce summaries and updates of events in Libya and elsewhere and then sent them to Clinton or her aides using a private server.
Now we have to parse it further to get to the meat of the story:
aides drew upon a variety of messages in classified information systems - this means aides accessed classified computer systems for the purpose of obtaining most current information of events in specific areas of the world
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to produce summaries and updates of events - this means while reviewing pertinent information in the classified systems, aides created summaries of the information. This means they did not email the classified documents they reviewed within the classified system. They only emailed summaries of that information.
At this point, this seems as HRC said a vicious political attack by GOP. And there is a racist wingnut contingent working within the intelligence community as well as throughout the federal gov't.
Any piece taken out of a classified and put into a new format retains the initial classification regardless of the format it is put into. Thats why you don't do it! If you summarize a series of classified e-mails for a senior officer (which I've done numerous times) that summary is classified at the highest classification of all the information put into it. For God's sake you then don't transmit it over unsecured lines!
underthematrix (1,212 posts)
68. I think you missed my point and focus - content of article
The article said all that was transmitted were SUMMARIES of the information, not the classified documents themselves. But we don't know what the rules are for transmitting summaries of classified information. Yes we do. I've outlines it above. Is the sender required to treat it as if it is classified and if so, what does that mean in practice?
I'm very disturbed by this story because it seems a strange thing for a person to do who has been the subject of so many GOP hate, vitriol and investigation. I just don't understand the decision to use a personal server to do gov't work. HRC's reason "it's more convienent" doesn't make sense because we know most people access their email apps from blackberries or smartphones.
ipfilter (1,276 posts)
75. A summary of classified info would
have the same classification as the highest document from which it was obtained. If one line from the summary came from a document marked Secret then the entire summary would be Secret even if everything else was simply FOUO. This stuff is covered in yearly required training for any gov or DoD employee with the lowest level security clearance.
Sounds like HRC needs to take remedial IP, IA, and FOIA training.
Sound like Hillary may be headed to prison.
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I am just amazed at how tolerant liberals are of corruption and criminal behavior in their leaders.
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At this point, this seems as HRC said a vicious political attack by GOP. And there is a racist wingnut contingent working within the intelligence community as well as throughout the federal gov't.
Is Shillary going to claim that she identifies as black now?
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I am just amazed at how tolerant liberals are of corruption and criminal behavior in their leaders.
Tolerant?
They expect, encourage and applaud criminality as a means to gain the advantage and suppress dissenters.
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Is Shillary going to claim that she identifies as black now?
Well, she was married to the first black president.
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I have it on good authority that Hilary was told to get her affairs in order and that she would be indited in 24 business hours. :-)
Signed Deep throat Willie.
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DUmmies are rolling on a river of denial. And the big wheel keeps on turning. There are some at the DUmp that actually get that real security violations may have taken place for which real penalties may result. Will it be Hillary in a trade mark orange pant suit being frog marched down Pennsylvania Ave ? Maybe not. Will her credibility be so severely damaged that she will be unable to be elected dog catcher of Bugtussle? Probably. Who will the Dims throw into the breech when Shillary falls on her sword? Barney? Not on your life. They are just not that DUmb (OK maybe they are).
Ya know DUtch I remember the ISSO lectures from days gone by where your notes could end up classified. Some may find that hard to believe but it can happen. It all depends on how the information is mixed together. At this point I think Shillary's best defense will be along the lines of "It was a period of my life when I was drinking heavily and having blackouts" "I have no memory of that period of time". Hey, it has worked for her before and certainly it could be true. Most likely Weiner and Mills ran the show while Shillary schmoozed and boozed with the light in the loafer crowd. My guess is she was pretty much a figure head getting her ticket punched, they would sober her up, put a breath mint in her mouth, have a photo op, lather, rinse, repeat. She hit the silk as soon as the wheels started to come off the wagon to avoid being buried in the stink. (don't ya love a good mixed metaphor?) :rotf:
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Is Shillary going to claim that she identifies as black now?
Who knows? Maybe this was a tacit acknowledgement that there are blacks and/or Hispanics who are Rs, and who hate Tsaritsa CHILL because she is white? It takes a special - almost humorous - degree of hatred and bitterness to throw out epithets like that without thought to the epithets' absurdity.
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I have it on good authority that Hilary was told to get her affairs in order and that she would be indited in 24 business hours. :-)
Signed Deep throat Willie.
Can I take that to the bank?
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Can I take that to the bank?
Yep, but take the ninja lawyers along for protection.
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I bet Bush put that stuff on her computer.
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DUmmies are rolling on a river of denial. And the big wheel keeps on turning. There are some at the DUmp that actually get that real security violations may have taken place for which real penalties may result. Will it be Hillary in a trade mark orange pant suit being frog marched down Pennsylvania Ave ? Maybe not. Will her credibility be so severely damaged that she will be unable to be elected dog catcher of Bugtussle? Probably. Who will the Dims throw into the breech when Shillary falls on her sword? Barney? Not on your life. They are just not that DUmb (OK maybe they are).
Ya know DUtch I remember the ISSO lectures from days gone by where your notes could end up classified. Some may find that hard to believe but it can happen. It all depends on how the information is mixed together. At this point I think Shillary's best defense will be along the lines of "It was a period of my life when I was drinking heavily and having blackouts" "I have no memory of that period of time". Hey, it has worked for her before and certainly it could be true. Most likely Weiner and Mills ran the show while Shillary schmoozed and boozed with the light in the loafer crowd. My guess is she was pretty much a figure head getting her ticket punched, they would sober her up, put a breath mint in her mouth, have a photo op, lather, rinse, repeat. She hit the silk as soon as the wheels started to come off the wagon to avoid being buried in the stink. (don't ya love a good mixed metaphor?) :rotf:
The wheels are not only coming off her bandwagon, but the conestoga canvas cover is on fire after being pelted with numerous indian fire arrows, and it is careening downhill directly towards the highest cliff.
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"How" is pretty obvious. The career people told her and her aides 'You can't do that,' to which she said 'Shut up and do as I tell you, peons, I am the next President and your ass is headed to Antarctica if you tell me NO ever again.'
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The wheels are not only coming off her bandwagon, but the conestoga canvas cover is on fire after being pelted with numerous indian fire arrows, and it is careening downhill directly towards the highest cliff.
Perhaps SloJoe Biden and Princess Summer Spring Winter Fall can scratch up heap big wampum selling some Pow Wow Chow cookbooks to finance a run. Then too if Shillary busts a leg in the stretch maybe her cash stash will be available (that not needed for her legal defense of course :whatever:)
Looks like lots of DUmmies are starting to whistle past the graveyard of Shillary scandals past and it ain't a happy tune. Some are beginning to look at tRump as a possible alternative now that he is boycotting Oreos (and we aren't talking Obiewun here) Show me a good boycott and I will show you a Dummy following. tRump may be on to something with this. (tRump is the preferred DU spelling)
Meanwhile, Barney is still struggling with black voters. Could it be that he bailed on Hymietown rather than stay and fight for his black brothers, chose maple syrup, icy finger waves, and moonlight in Vermont over muggings in the Bronx? 1SBM seems to be less than a fan of his record of accomplishments, kind of a "nothing personal Barney but other than jack over your jaws you ain't really accomplished much in 40 years a politician." And he is right.
Then there is the whole free college kerfuffle. Unless he can dig up Richard Pryor's character from Superman III even the most dense (and there are those who make black holes look light)DUmmies have begun asking how the heck he is going to pay for this turkey.
Also not helping Barney is the fact that the VT governor has chosen to campaign for Shillary. Gee, feel the burn Barney, feel the burn!! :argh:
Skinner must be getting nervous about his financial future too. What will a post Shillary DU mean for his bottom line??
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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #62)Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:06 AM
underthematrix (1,214 posts)
68. I think you missed my point and focus - content of article
The article said all that was transmitted were SUMMARIES of the information, not the classified documents themselves. But we don't know what the rules are for transmitting summaries of classified information. Is the sender required to treat it as if it is classified and if so, what does that mean in practice?
I'm very disturbed by this story because it seems a strange thing for a person to do who has been the subject of so many GOP hate, vitriol and investigation. I just don't understand the decision to use a personal server to do gov't work. HRC's reason "it's more convienent" doesn't make sense because we know most people access their email apps from blackberries or smartphones.
Who's "we" sucker? This DUmmy thinks everybody else is just as stupid as him.
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Hate to say it DUmmies - (actually, that a lie. I don't hate saying this at all. Stupid Derpy DUmmies deserve it.)
But this is the doing of The One. He has "Gone Chicago" on her ass and is seeking his revenge. -
Why do you think this is happening ?
This is Obama's FBI & Obama's DOJ. You could claim Rethug shenanigans when it was just Gowdy's committee. But not anymore.
Obama is taking out Clinton, and replacing her with Biden.
Biden will then mollify you numbnuts by securing Warren's endorsement.
Warren's endorsement will help to kill the Sanders campaign.