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Current Events => Terrorism In the US and Around the World => Topic started by: txradioguy on August 11, 2015, 03:51:18 AM
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As mentioned last week, President Obama’s desultory attempt to influence the bloody chaos in Syria with a mere handful of U.S.-trained and equipped Syrian rebels brought contempt and stunned disbelief from across the Arab world.
Those grim tidings were punctuated with late-afternoon news that the so-called “New Syrian Force,†already rocked by al-Qaeda attacks that left a sizable portion of the unit prisoners of the terror gang, had completely disintegrated.
ABC News reports further on what would appear to be the melancholy end of the New Syrian Force, as a new attack from the al-Qaeda-linked Nusra Front scattered the survivors:
Many of the Syrian rebels trained by the United States to fight ISIS are unaccounted for in the northern part of the country and some have been found in Turkey, a U.S. official said Thursday.
News about the uncertainty of their whereabouts came a week after the rebels were attacked by 50 fighters from the rival al-Nusra Front, a rebel group affiliated with al Qaeda. At least one of the U.S.-trained rebels was killed and others were wounded before the attack was repelled by U.S. airstrikes.
The Pentagon said earlier this week that President Obama had authorized airstrikes to defend the rebels, even from forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
The U.S. must rely on the 54 rebels, known as the New Syrian Forces, to report their movements since they fall under the U.S. chain of command, Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said earlier Thursday. He said they have the means to communicate with the U.S. military, but that it didn’t mean they provided regular updates about their positions.
Davis added that tracking them was made difficult by current combat conditions in northern Syria.
The U.S. spent $42 million training the Syrian rebels, and we didn’t even know where they were deployed. They apparently got chased across Syria by one al-Qaeda attack after the next until some of them gave up and ran for the Turkish border.
The stench of confusion and failure hangs heavy over this entire endeavor, beginning with the sheer lunacy of sending such a small unit into harm’s way. The Pentagon spokesman insisted the training program, budgeted for a total of $500 million, is still operational, some 1500 carefully-vetted volunteers are standing by, and the next group of successful trainees will become trainers to bring the rest up to speed.
Why didn’t the first group of graduates become trainers, instead of being throw to the wolves on one of the world’s most chaotic battlefields, into a region where it was known combat conditions would make them difficult to track or support? Why not keep all troops on standby until a force large enough to make a difference, or at least defend itself effectively, could be deployed?
The obvious answer is that nobody really saw this coming. They thought al-Qaeda and its allies, and the Syrian regime, would leave this force alone, because it was loudly stated that their primary mission would be fighting ISIS. Instead of serving as a useful propaganda vehicle, the gambit turned into a rout that will make it harder than ever for the U.S. to exert meaningful influence.
Meanwhile, the Kurds—the only militarily effective U.S. allies in the area—can only dream of what they might have accomplished with $500 million in U.S. equipment and training, assuming their dreams are not interrupted by the whistle of incoming Turkish bombs.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/08/10/obamas-syrian-rebels-force-goes-awol-and-mia/
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The US training of Syrian rebels is a complete disaster - Kurds prove combat superiority.
https://www.rt.com/usa/312229-us-training-syrian-rebels-disaster/
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The US training of Syrian rebels is a complete disaster - Kurds prove combat superiority.
https://www.rt.com/usa/312229-us-training-syrian-rebels-disaster/
And yet we've screwed the Kurds over by giving Turkey the green light to bomb them.
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And yet we've screwed the Kurds over by giving Turkey the green light to bomb them.
That's because the Kurds are fighting who Obama truly supports.
What? I'm just saying what everyone with a brain is thinking.
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That's because the Kurds are fighting who Obama truly supports.
What? I'm just saying what everyone with a brain is thinking.
Turkey.... home of the last Cali-fat.....and soon to be future home if Obama has his way.
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The whole strategy of taking down Assad is based on stupid false assumptions that have failed consistently since Gulf I, the GOP hawks like McCain and Graham are just as wrong-headed as Obama and his pet idiots in State and Defense about it. Unless you are willing to use US forces to occupy the place for thirty years afterward under a military government, taking out the local 'Strong Man' does NOT open the door for democracy in that part of the world, it just empowers the most organized, bloodthirsty Islamofascist faction in the country.
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The whole strategy of taking down Assad is based on stupid false assumptions that have failed consistently since Gulf I, the GOP hawks like McCain and Graham are just as wrong-headed as Obama and his pet idiots in State and Defense about it. Unless you are willing to use US forces to occupy the place for thirty years afterward under a military government, taking out the local 'Strong Man' does NOT open the door for democracy in that part of the world, it just empowers the most organized, bloodthirsty Islamofascist faction in the country.
I'm beginning to understand why Saddam and other Muslim leaders of Muslim countries have to murder so many to control their countries.....Mooseslimes be crazy as hell.
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Screw "installing/instilling democracy in the muslim nations. I don't care if the leader rules the country with an iron fist and kills thousands as long as they are willing to let Christians leave and don't support outside terrorist groups like Iran does.
Obama helped topple several relatively harmless leaders during the Arab Spring, and that was the real start of ISIS.
Obama owns that.
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I see our Ivy League gold-plated Massachusacrat version of Neville Chamberlain is pitching a hissy fit about Putin pursuing the only rational course of action possible in Syria. I'm sure Vlad is deriving vast sardonic amusement from Lurch's ineffectual posturing and puffing.
Thought question for the group: If you throw open the doors of the Western countries for all the disaffected and oppressed in some Third World hellgarden (Aside from the predictable utter failure to assimilate and thereby eventually destroy the refuge), who will be the disaffected "Democracy loving" populace left in that hellgarden to overthrow the regime from which they fled?
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I see our Ivy League gold-plated Massachusacrat version of Neville Chamberlain is pitching a hissy fit about Putin pursuing the only rational course of action possible in Syria. I'm sure Vlad is deriving vast sardonic amusement from Lurch's ineffectual posturing and puffing.
Thought question for the group: If you throw open the doors of the Western countries for all the disaffected and oppressed in some Third World hellgarden (Aside from the predictable utter failure to assimilate and thereby eventually destroy the refuge), who will be the disaffected "Democracy loving" populace left in that hellgarden to overthrow the regime from which they fled?
The Muslim refugees are bringing with them the very thing they're fleeing from....ISLAM.
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We shouldn't be training the Rebel forces, we need to get in there and get stuff done ourselves. What i mean by that is we need to get boots on the ground, everywhere in Syria I don't care who is where, we need to show who we are and all these little groups saying they are in charge no, we are in charge and we will do what we want with Syria.
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We shouldn't be training the Rebel forces, we need to get in there and get stuff done ourselves. What i mean by that is we need to get boots on the ground, everywhere in Syria I don't care who is where, we need to show who we are and all these little groups saying they are in charge no, we are in charge and we will do what we want with Syria.
Are you sure you're on the right board?
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Are you sure you're on the right board?
I don't even think he's old enough to vote.
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We shouldn't be training the Rebel forces, we need to get in there and get stuff done ourselves. What i mean by that is we need to get boots on the ground, everywhere in Syria I don't care who is where, we need to show who we are and all these little groups saying they are in charge no, we are in charge and we will do what we want with Syria.
:lol: Right. :killemall:
Careful. Your Ma Deuce is showing.
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We shouldn't be training the Rebel forces, we need to get in there and get stuff done ourselves. What i mean by that is we need to get boots on the ground, everywhere in Syria I don't care who is where, we need to show who we are and all these little groups saying they are in charge no, we are in charge and we will do what we want with Syria.
Riiiiiiiiiight.
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:lol: Right. :killemall:
Careful. Your Ma Deuce is showing.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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We shouldn't be training the Rebel forces, we need to get in there and get stuff done ourselves. What i mean by that is we need to get boots on the ground, everywhere in Syria I don't care who is where, we need to show who we are and all these little groups saying they are in charge no, we are in charge and we will do what we want with Syria.
We don't have the forces to do that anymore. We don't even have enough military to keep soldiers permanently stationed across the razor wire from a sworn enemy who we are technically still at war with....much less put enough boots on the ground to wip out the scourge of radical Islam.
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I'm beginning to understand why Saddam and other Muslim leaders of Muslim countries have to murder so many to control their countries.....Mooseslimes be crazy as hell.
There is NO WAY that the ingrained mentality of these people, instilled from birth by the savagery of their so called religion of peace, will EVER welcome and nurture democracy. Back in the early '80's we watched Iran and Iraq battle each other to an exhausted standstill time after time, and it was all good for our national best interests. Then we kept getting all these do-gooder presidents, who have been so certain that if we throw in enough blood and treasure (as long as the blood doesn't belong to their nearest and dearest :whatever: and the treasure comes from the American taxpayer) we can bring peace and the American way of life to countries who don't want it.
Obviously there are good people in the Muslim run countries. Alot of them are either dead or fled to some enlightened country. Them, I have no issues with. There aren't enough of them to shape events in their countries, which is why until GWB invaded Iraq, the US foreign policy regarding the Middle East was to not succumb to pressure to remove Saddam, admittedly a monster. Still, I don't think he ever drowned the streets in the blood of children merely because they weren't Muslim.
He was the only other brute in the Middle East capable of fending off Iranian regional ambitions. Now, thanks to the mess the past several presidents have made over there, and particularly the hands off Obastard and the impotent Lurch, the inevitable happened and a new NAZI menace has arisen, except this time it cloaks itself in the Koran. No one here, whether in politics or not, who has paid any attention at all to the hot spot that is the ME should be surprised at all that Putin has seized the initiative and is attempting to steamroll all opposition.
As for the USA, why would any of our allies trust us (under OBastard) to honor our word? The only thing anyone fighting on our side can expect until he trails his slimy weasel ass out of the White House is to be abandoned at their hour of greatest need. The next president is going to have his or her work cut out for him/her if America is ever going to be taken seriously overseas again. :fuelfire:
Make no mistake, I am not blaming our military men and women one little bit. Unfortunately they are tethered to the orders of idiots who think nation building in hellholes inhabited by stone age savages should work as well as a toddler assembling a Lincoln Log village. And by those who care more for their "legacy" than the sanity of the mission OBASTARD that's YOU. :bird: