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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on August 06, 2015, 07:51:47 AM
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Thu Aug 6, 2015, 07:28 AM
Star Member msanthrope (31,424 posts)
An Update on Yoshi.....6 August
An Update on Yoshi---
Yoshi has been placed in a shelter that can address his specific needs and give him the best chance he has for survival. I know that many of you will have questions on how it came to this. I hope I will be able to answer them, below.
First of all, Yoshi is a charming, well-cared for, and charismatic dog. When you meet him, according to my ex, you are struck by how much of a presence he is, and how beautiful he is. When ex met him at the doggy daycare, he was surprised at just how massive he is. That he is a formidable dog is an understatement.
Yoshi’s transition into my ex’s home was rocky. TTW was understandably upset at the entire situation, and Yoshi manifested this anxiety with growling, snapping, and panting. He was also physically ill, with kennel cough and diarrhea. While he did calm down considerably after TTW left, and my ex spent the entire night with him, Yoshi remained extremely aggressive towards the other pets in the house….to the point where I was advised by an Akita rescuer that Yoshi would kill the other pets if he got ahold of them. Obviously, this was not something we were prepared for.
When ex defended a particular pet from attack, Yoshi snapped, growled, and backed him into a corner. Yoshi relented, but after that, my ex did not feel safe with him. Although Yoshi calmed down considerably the next day towards my ex, the aggression towards the pets remained, and we were advised that my minor child and her companion pet could not visit ex for regular custody and visitation while Yoshi was present. This would represent a major disruption to my autistic daughter’s life. This we were willing to do, by the way…..
Yoshi has not been socialized to live in my ex’s environment—a busy neighborhood with lots of other dogs and families, and a home with housemates, other pets, and a visiting child. Walking Yoshi has been a challenge, although he walked well and was obedient, care had to be taken to avoid contact with other dogs and with kids.
Second, it became apparent to ex and I that TTW, although very well-meaning, was totally unable at this point to care for Yoshi. Her current living situation is precarious, physically dangerous, and because of the eviction on her record, finding other decent housing will be a challenge. She does not have employment right now, although she is looking diligently. She is still trying to regain her possessions from her former landlord. While she is trying to stabilize her life, she is very far from having the wherewithal to maintain herself and Yoshi anytime soon. In consultation with other DUers close to this situation, the general consensus was that TTW would not be able to take Yoshi anytime soon---not for months at the minimum, if ever.
Faced with these challenges, my ex and I contacted Akita rescue resources and asked what was best for Yoshi. We were told unequivocally that the other pets were in danger, that we needed to think about how an extended stay at exs’ would affect Yoshi---namely, how would Yoshi react to separation again after bonding with his primary caretaker—my ex, because Yoshi’s next stop wasn’t going to be back to TTW. We were also treated to a no nonsense talk about the nature of the Akita breed. Stop-gap and temporary placements, such as the doggy daycare, were not a healthy option either for Yoshi, or for the general public. Akita rescue personnel were blunt—as well-meaning as ex was, he was totally out of his depth. He was, as one expert in the Akita breed said “a dude with a goofy black lab trying to care for a wolf in the middle of a city.†Yoshi was, again, in an environment that would be a danger to him.
So what to do?
We—and other DUers close to TTW-- urged TTW to consider that rescue by an organization dedicated to Akitas was preferable to every other option. Yoshi would be in good hands, and well-cared for by people who had been running a rescue for over 25 years. We could not obtain owner consent, and without that, the rescue could not act.
That left us with one other legal option—surrender. We could not contemplate simply dropping Yoshi off somewhere, so we listened to advice and chose a shelter run by personnel that work closely with the rescue mentioned in the first option. Ex spoke to the head of the shelter, who was made aware of Yoshi and who was there to welcome him. Yoshi will be evaluated, and with luck, will be placed with the rescue---note, this rescue, B.E.A.R., is one of only 6 in the United States that deal specifically with Akitas.
We have tried to do the right, but difficult thing here. TTW can remove Yoshi from the shelter, legally, for a short period of time, but at this point, with no other place to take Yoshi, we’ve urged her to consider keeping him there. Yoshi is in the Women’s Human Society in Bensalem, PA……my ex could not keep it together when he described to me how nicely Yoshi was welcomed.
I make no excuses—I went into this trying to do the right thing for Yoshi, and although this is not the option I think is best, I know, after talking to two Akita breed experts (who have been rescuing Akitas for 45 combined years) this is best option I can do legally. This is a move designed to protect Yoshi long-term, but will be devastating for TTW.
Some DUers will ask if asking for donations was a scam. I don’t think it was---TTW is genuinely in need of resources, and she genuinely needs help managing those resources. She needs help. And with this last step, I fear even further for her emotional state. So, if anyone wants to rip me to shreds, have at it…..but PLEASE remember that TTW has just suffered a terrible loss.
****Short Update---B.E.A.R. rescue is working diligently to move Yoshi from the shelter to the rescue (and they've been doing this for 25 years) they are moving full steam ahead. They seem optimistic that Yoshi is the type of Akita who will make a good, safe transition to care and fostering.
The tale of lies continues.
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Pro athletes going bankrupt after retiring is a common story - no marketable skills, failing to save while earning big bucks, an unsustainable lifestyle. Evidently TTW has done pretty much the same - forced to "retire" from her "profession", with no marketable skills or savings.
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A shout out to Frank from the big guy(who is dying I hear)
Response to msanthrope (Original post)
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 08:52 AM
makeitright (2 posts)
23. According to their website, they will kill the dog.
After MONTHS of TTW begging for money and claiming she just can't live without her beloved dog, you swoop in, take the dog to your "ex" who conveniently cannot care for him. Now, after all of this time, you surrendered the dog to a shelter that is *NOT* a no kill shelter. According to their website, any dog that cannot be adopted *WILL* be killed.
TTW doesn't have a job? According to the posters in the thread you locked, she was gainfully employed and trying to get back on her feet. She *STILL* can't find a job ANYWHERE?
Since you are an attorney, what legal means did you use to surrender someone else's dog in the short time frame? According to the website of the shelter he's in, you had to complete paperwork. Did TTW do that? Surely you or your ex didn't claim to be the owners, did you???
This ongoing saga has so many characters. Moosepoop, who conveniently can cite the same exact details as TTW, using the same vocabulary and grammar......and now the attorney who came out of nowhere, didn't find TTW a job, and took the dog she fought so hard to keep to a shelter where it will be killed.
It's all so bizarre.
Facts and truth are not allowed at the DUmp.
Response to makeitright (Reply #23)
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 09:00 AM
Star Member Omaha Steve (53,995 posts)
27. Hi Frank
I meant dofus!!! You need a better hobby & or life.
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #27)
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 09:04 AM
makeitright (2 posts)
30. I don't know who Frank is...........
BUT, make sure you keep donating to TTW.
The dog will be killed but that's okay?
No compassion for the future of Yoshi, now it's all about "me" (insert your name there).
Did you read the website of that shelter?
Now stop,Steve is the one that is dying or haven`t you heard?
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Well, kudos to Ms. Piggy, or her ex-husband, for doing the right thing.
Its owner being utterly incompetent, the dog needed taken away.
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Well, kudos to Ms. Piggy, or her ex-husband, for doing the right thing.
Its owner being utterly incompetent, the dog needed taken away.
Torchy is a drug addicted whore who raised or let a dog go vicious.
A typical DUmbass.
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Torchy is a drug addicted whore who raised or let a dog go vicious.
A typical DUmbass.
She was "using" the animal to deflect from having to deal with her real problems.
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Well, kudos to Ms. Piggy,...
Ms. Piggy is so fat when she wears high heels she strikes oil.
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A shout out to Frank from the big guy(who is dying I hear)
Yeah, the big guy probably wants me to continue on with that story dedicated to him, but I dropped that. I'm not sure, but I wonder if a massive heart attack (tune up the violins) shortens one's attention span so that one ends up not finishing things he's started. That's been pretty much the story of this life since May 8, but I hope to God it's only temporary, that it'll pass.
In case that's news to the big guy--which it probably is--franksolich too is terminal, but one hopes not for a very long time yet. For someone who compulsively chain-smoked cigarettes from mid-summer 1978 (I picked up the habit in Springfield, Massachusetts) until May 8, 2015, I got off damned lightly. The damage could've been a Hell of a lot worse, but God apparently likes franksolich.
^^^the above posted not to brag or anything, but to illuminate the big guy on the status of franksolich, nothing more than that.
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Think about all the effort TTW put into staying in her slum apartment and zero effort towards getting employment. While I think most of us could speculate that TTWs eviction and the condition of her space was in part due to having the dog from hell in the apartment and of course not paying rent. This woman is a basket case from start to finish and nothing she writes is to be believed. I think Dummy Shelia T is owed an apology.
Imagine the Big Guy calling Frank a dofus!
It's DUfus stupid Steve!
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Think about all the effort TTW put into staying in her slum apartment and zero effort towards getting employment. While I think most of us could speculate that TTWs eviction and the condition of her space was in part due to having the dog from hell in the apartment and of course not paying rent. This woman is a basket case from start to finish and nothing she writes is to be believed. I think Dummy Shelia T is owed an apology.
Imagine the Big Guy calling Frank a dofus!
It's DUfus stupid Steve!
Nice catch !
Next thing you know the DUfusses will be accusing coach franksolich of being a hoopster dofus !
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I guess I'm just stupid and simpleminded, but I don't understand why we're still talking about the dog. Send the damned thing to a rescue or some other such that can care for it, and move on with life. The dog is either psycho or was turned psycho by the life it had to endure for the lying washed-up stripper, and it shouldn't be around other animals. That's just how it goes. DUmmies clucking their tongues should take the dog and roll the dice, or shut the **** up.
As for TTW, this is just the story of how someone becomes homeless. Just like the dog, let a DUmmy take her in, or shut the **** up.
(did anyone else notice MSanthrope's reference to a "big house" when offering shelter for the dog? Why the **** can't TTW live in that "big house?")
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I guess I'm just stupid and simpleminded, but I don't understand why we're still talking about the dog. Send the damned thing to a rescue or some other such that can care for it, and move on with life. The dog is either psycho or was turned psycho by the life it had to endure for the lying washed-up stripper, and it shouldn't be around other animals. That's just how it goes. DUmmies clucking their tongues should take the dog and roll the dice, or shut the **** up.
As for TTW, this is just the story of how someone becomes homeless. Just like the dog, let a DUmmy take her in, or shut the **** up.
(did anyone else notice MSanthrope's reference to a "big house" when offering shelter for the dog? Why the **** can't TTW live in that "big house?")
I understand there is an new opening in a pride in Africa looking for a new leader to protect and feed the cubs, maybe Yoshi could be sent there. :-)
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Send the dog to the only American President to ever eat dog.
Problem solved one meal later.
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What is a "dofus"? The Big Guy (who is dying) still can't spell.
Anyway, the idea that a vicious, dangerous animal like the one described in this latest DUmp thread still hasn't been put down is really outrageous.
I guess it's almost consistent. At the DUmp "vicious animals' lives matter".
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https://youtu.be/WtNHuqHWefU
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What is a "dofus"? The Big Guy (who is dying) still can't spell.
Anyway, the idea that a vicious, dangerous animal like the one described in this latest DUmp thread still hasn't been put down is really outrageous.
I guess it's almost consistent. At the DUmp "vicious animals' lives matter".
I can`t wait for the next installment of the story.
The sweet dog of yesterday that was with a dog walker is a vicious mutt today and likely will need money donated to be kept alive tomorrow.
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Maybe it would be an honor for TTW's dog to be eaten by a lion?
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Maybe it would be an honor for TTW's dog to be eaten by a lion?
Or maybe a dentist.
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Or maybe a dentist.
Based on the thread about the Rolling Stone story on Climate Doom(TM!!!), I now think DUmmies may confuse dentists with denialists. The words (if 'denialist' can be called a word) look like misspellings of each other. So now I can sort of understand their reaction to that story. I mean, what DUmmie has ever heard of a dentist anyway?
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Based on the thread about the Rolling Stone story on Climate Doom(TM!!!), I now think DUmmies may confuse dentists with denialists. The words (if 'denialist' can be called a word) look like misspellings of each other. So now I can sort of understand their reaction to that story. I mean, what DUmmie has ever heard of a dentist anyway?
I'm looking for a good denialist.
I have some molar ice caps that need whitening.
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I'm looking for a good denialist.
I have some molar ice caps that need whitening.
Have you tried Harp seal whitening strips? 9 out of 10 Molar bears recommend.
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Geezuz.
Omaha Steve (54,010 posts) Thu Aug 6, 2015, 09:00 AM
27. Hi Frank
I meant dofus!!! You need a better hobby & or life.
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Oh shit :rotf:
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Steve (who is dying,I guess) had to answer and got a thread hidden.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027048673
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 02:05 PM
Star Member Omaha Steve (54,010 posts)
Dofus takes food out of a DUers mouth and now plays the victim??? [View all]
Why Dofus wanted to hurt a DUer is beyond me. But he owns it. Today he is a victim? Give me a break.
This is no call out. Just pointing out his post did so mach damage to a DUer. Dofus I hope you had a good laugh. It came at great expense.
Meanwhile Bob is probably going to be homeless. Don't worry about his dog and cats.
Bob broke the law. He want through the system. A misleading headline to sell papers. Read the story. This wasn't kiddie porn. It was teenagers underage. BIG difference.
Dofus's post caused a huge drop in help from the DU.
IF your still reading this and concerned about Bob, you can donate here: Paypal account @ rlewis58@frontier.com.
As for you Dofus, why not post your name and criminal record too.
Someday when you have nowhere to turn, a slap in the face would be justice.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027011754
(http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/918/7110779023.png)
:lol:
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Steve Dawes is the guardian angel of sex offender DUmmies.
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Article about the Big Guy (who is dying)'s buddy:
Records in Lewis’ case indicate police found pornographic materials, including the child pornography, after they used a warrant to search his residence. Mattoon police detective Jeremy Clark, who conducts computer investigations for several area police agencies, found three videos depicting teenage boys engaging in sex acts.
The investigation began after Charleston police received an anonymous letter that claimed Lewis had been luring young men and boys to his home to get them to do “sexual favors,†according to the records. The investigation also led to the names of some young men who might have engaged in sex with Lewis, the records also show.
The Big Guy (who is dying) claimed a few years ago that he relocated to Bellevue because of his obsession with their high school girls' basketball team.
Then remember the drunken Pitt, blackballed from substitute teaching due to misbehavior with middle school girls, collaborated with convicted sex offender Scott Ritter on one of his vanity-pulished anti-Bush screeds.
Grown men who are attracted to adolescents apparently stick together.
(And had it been coach, I'm sure he would have spelled "doofus" properly.)
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The Big Guy's parents failed him in a major way. Most normal people grow up being properly informed that someone who likes to watch two boys have sex need to be separated from the rest of decent and civilized society for the rest of forever. The Big Guy's parents were too dumb to pass on that message. Tells me they also had a lack of morals and values. The Big Guy is passing along the stupidity of his parents.
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TBF (29,073 posts)
120. I've been of the opinion that TTW is not a "scam" -
she is a person in need of help (likely mental illness but who am I to judge) - and compassion. The crazy economic policies in this country (starting with f*cking Ronald Reagan) have driven many people to the edge through little or no fault of their own. And I have no doubt that you and your ex have been careful legally and done the best you can for Yoshi. As someone on the edges of Lab rescue (I have adopted 3 so far and help w/transport sometimes) I know how difficult this can be.
Please let us know if there is anything DUers can do to help. It sounds like individual donations to help TTW (if people are able/willing) or the B.E.A.R. rescue (again, if folks have interest) would be the best way to go.
((Hugs)) You went above and beyond afaic.
double down! (just no bills less than a 20)
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WTF does Ronald Reagan have to do with anything? Grow the **** UP DUmmies.
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Hmmmm.
It looks like the big guy stuck his foot into his mouth again.
He's got large feet, but at least he has a big mouth too, so it all fits.
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Setting the stage!
Thu Aug 6, 2015, 04:41 PM
Star Member msanthrope (31,440 posts)
165. Rightly or wrongly, TTW is extremely upset at me and ex. I'm hoping she can calm down
And focus but this has been a devastating blow to her.
The next post from "TorchTheWitch" should be a beauty.
No question it's going to come down to a desperate plea for money to save poor Yoshi from being put to sleep.
Gotta have X dollars by Friday or Yoshi's on the rainbow bridge. Then next week the same crisis, more cash to save Yoshi's life.
Then, finally, coach slips in, euthanizes the mutt, and the DUmp explodes.
It's hard to call it a scam when they so far aren't raising any significant money, but these people are putting together a hilarious storyline!
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Steve Dawes is the guardian angel of sex offender DUmmies.
Call him "Lucifer Light Heavy." :whistling:
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Setting the stage!
I think the torched bitch primitive, instead of being angry with Ms. Piggy, should be grateful to her.
But, as we all know, doing something nice for a primitive--well, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Ms. Piggy is so fat, when her ex met her at the Macy's parade, she was wearing ropes.
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******Second Update.....TTW, against the advice of the shelter and against the advice of the Akita rescue group reclaimed Yoshi as she was allowed to do under Pennsylvania law. I cannot express how disappointed I am. I simply do not know what she is going to do.
Piggy has run out of lies.
Stoner torchy is a lost cause.
Sometimes people can`t be saved from themselves yet you mongrels are hell bent to smoke/sniff/shoot/swallow yourselves to oblivion every day.
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I just thought of something. Doesn't the guy currently occupying the White House like dogs? Maybe he could help.
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I just thought of something. Doesn't the guy currently occupying the White House like dogs? Maybe he could help.
Why, yes! Yes he does! :drool:
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Okay, that's it.
Despite my Great Dislike for Ms. Piggy, I have to admit that she gave the best possible solution, and unfortunately for the dog, the torched bitch primitive ****ed it up.
I've thought about all possible outcomes; the best one would be where the dog gets rabies and bites the torched bitch primitive.
The outcome of that--well, there's no possible outcome any better than that.
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The next posting on behalf of the ten dollar bill buttwipe will be for bail money and cost to put her dog down for mauling her new roommate she is cat fighting with.
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Big Steve got two posts hidden in one day, he's probably composing his latest GBCW post right now.
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Okay, that's it.
Despite my Great Dislike for Ms. Piggy, I have to admit that she gave the best possible solution, and unfortunately for the dog, the torched bitch primitive ****ed it up.
I've thought about all possible outcomes; the best one would be where the dog gets rabies and bites the torched bitch primitive.
The outcome of that--well, there's no possible outcome any better than that.
I begrudgingly have to admit the same while qualifying it by saying she still lied about a lot for whatever reasons until the drugged out insanity just overwhelmed the situation.
A window into the world of the what the dumbocrat party cultivates to seek power.
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Big Steve got two posts hidden in one day, he's probably composing his latest GBCW post right now.
You know, I've been concerned about that all day, starting this morning when it happened.
I wonder what mischief the big guy's up to now.
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You know, I've been concerned about that all day, starting this morning when it happened.
I wonder what mischief the big guy's up to now.
Most attention to his dumb threads he has had in over 2 years though.
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Most attention to his dumb threads he has had in over 2 years though.
It would be funnier than Hell, if the big guy happens to be on a time-out when he passes.
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It would be funnier than Hell, if the big guy happens to be on a time-out when he passes.
Marta/Steve would let the DUmp know within 20 seconds of his tonnage hitting the pavement.
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Setting the stage!
The next post from "TorchTheWitch" should be a beauty.
No question it's going to come down to a desperate plea for money to save poor Yoshi from being put to sleep.
Gotta have X dollars by Friday or Yoshi's on the rainbow bridge. Then next week the same crisis, more cash to save Yoshi's life.
Then, finally, coach slips in, euthanizes the mutt, and the DUmp explodes.
It's hard to call it a scam when they so far aren't raising any significant money, but these people are putting together a hilarious storyline!
Damn it. Put a spoiler alert in the title next time! :cheersmate:
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Ms. Piggy is so fat, she was standing alone and cop came up to her and said "Hey! Break it up!"
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Marta/Steve would let the DUmp know within 20 seconds of his tonnage hitting the pavement.
And the USGS would let the rest of the world know just after that.
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And the USGS would let the rest of the world know just after that.
:rofl:
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Have you tried Harp seal whitening strips? 9 out of 10 Molar bears recommend.
Heh!
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It can't be too much longer before we hear from goodboy and greatauntoftriplets talking about dust bunnies and Johns Hopkins.
The only thing missing is money. Otherwise, this is the 2015 version of Andyscam.
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comment 2923:
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=81827.2900
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Ms. Piggy is so fat, when her ex met her at the Macy's parade, she was wearing ropes.
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Ms. Piggy is so fat, she wears a watch on both arms, she covers 2 time zones.
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Ms. Piggy is so fat, she was standing alone and cop came up to her and said "Hey! Break it up!"
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She's so fat, when she goes swimming, she leaves a "ring around the lake".
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msanthrope (31,455 posts) Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:44 AM
254. Under PA law, they had to release him, regardless of her circumstances. PA is a horrible state for
animal rights--it's why there's so many puppy mills. They, and the Akita rescue tried to persuade her let them keep Yoshi. They even gave her food for him. She would not relent.
There was quite a scene at the shelter, unfortunately. Currently, TTW is extremely upset at everyone involved--she thinks there was a conspiracy, fomented on this board, to steal Yoshi from her. To what end, I don't know.
In our last conversation, TTW threatened to have me jailed, and ex and I would pay her damages for "theft." I know that's delusional, and I'm not even upset at her....it just makes me more worried that she isn't living in reality.
I know this sounds mean, but life is pretty boring right now.
I would've paid admission to see that.
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A meth/crack whore that has not bathed in weeks screeching for her talking dog.
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msanthrope (31,455 posts) Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:44 AM
254. Under PA law, they had to release him, regardless of her circumstances. PA is a horrible state for
animal rights--it's why there's so many puppy mills. They, and the Akita rescue tried to persuade her let them keep Yoshi. They even gave her food for him. She would not relent.
There was quite a scene at the shelter, unfortunately. Currently, TTW is extremely upset at everyone involved--she thinks there was a conspiracy, fomented on this board, to steal Yoshi from her. To what end, I don't know.
In our last conversation, TTW threatened to have me jailed, and ex and I would pay her damages for "theft." I know that's delusional, and I'm not even upset at her....it just makes me more worried that she isn't living in reality.
But not so upset that she will not accept your generous donations to her Paypal account. :rofl:
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But not so upset that she will not accept your generous donations to her Paypal account. :rofl:
:-) :-) Think I'll try the olde, "I'm crazy, send me money scam." :-)
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Ms. Piggy is so fat, she wears a watch on both arms, she covers 2 time zones.
If she moved to China she'd only need one watch, and have room to, ummm, grow. OTOH, if she moved to India she'd need watches for her cankles.
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:-) :-) Think I'll try the olde, "I'm crazy, send me money scam." :-)
You are already half way there my friend. :cheersmate:
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You are already half way there my friend. :cheersmate:
That's because being crazy ain't as easy as it looks.
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Torchiere is, what? A 40-something? In real professions one's 40s and 50s are prime earning years.
So a big part of Torchiere's problems are her choices: a "career" with built-in brevity; declining to get an education or learn a skill; squandering what money she "earned"; being such a PITA that no one wants to rent to her or hire her; lifestyle decisions incompatible with getting and holding down a job.
Were she owning her situation as a consequence of her past decisions, I might be able to summon some sympathy. Instead she's willfully blind to her past determining her present, is compounding her troubles, and is begging for help in ... sustaining and worsening her troubles. I can't be sympathetic with that; I suspect even some DU-folk are of the same mind, if less willing to say so on their open forum(s).
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I read through the latest posts on that mess and do have to admit that for a change it seems reality has actually sunk in for most.
A few still cling to the it is all our fault a persons life is effed up but most get that this person has probably stoned themselves out of any chance of normal existence and that they have been enablers along the way.
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I read through the latest posts on that mess and do have to admit that for a change it seems reality has actually sunk in for most.
A few still cling to the it is all our fault a persons life is effed up but most get that this person has probably stoned themselves out of any chance of normal existence and that they have been enablers along the way.
Uh huh. It seems like even the primitives have a limit to their credulity.
But it's still stretched enough they can be taken for a ride.
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Torchiere is, what? A 40-something? In real professions one's 40s and 50s are prime earning years.
So a big part of Torchiere's problems are her choices: a "career" with built-in brevity; declining to get an education or learn a skill; squandering what money she "earned"; being such a PITA that no one wants to rent to her or hire her; lifestyle decisions incompatible with getting and holding down a job.
Were she owning her situation as a consequence of her past decisions, I might be able to summon some sympathy. Instead she's willfully blind to her past determining her present, is compounding her troubles, and is begging for help in ... sustaining and worsening her troubles. I can't be sympathetic with that; I suspect even some DU-folk are of the same mind, if less willing to say so on their open forum(s).
The exception to this rule is strippers which as you know Torchie is/was, they hit their prime earning years starting at 18 and declining around 27.
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Uh huh. It seems like even the primitives have a limit to their credulity.
But it's still stretched enough they can be taken for a ride.
I think it just fits their warped view of the world that everyone is against them so they have to rally to a person as being oppressed.
Normal and sane people realize we are the products mostly of our own actions.
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msanthrope (31,455 posts) Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:44 AM
254. Under PA law, they had to release him, regardless of her circumstances. PA is a horrible state for
animal rights--it's why there's so many puppy mills. They, and the Akita rescue tried to persuade her let them keep Yoshi. They even gave her food for him. She would not relent.
There was quite a scene at the shelter, unfortunately. Currently, TTW is extremely upset at everyone involved--she thinks there was a conspiracy, fomented on this board, to steal Yoshi from her. To what end, I don't know.
In our last conversation, TTW threatened to have me jailed, and ex and I would pay her damages for "theft." I know that's delusional, and I'm not even upset at her....it just makes me more worried that she isn't living in reality.
The objects of their obsessions can do no wrong.
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The exception to this rule is strippers which as you know Torchie is/was, they hit their prime earning years starting at 18 and declining around 27.
Precisely one of my points: "... a big part of Torchiere's problems are her choices: a "career" with built-in brevity ...". Assuming she had at least one functioning unimpaired brain cell, she had to know at the outset that her career as a stripper would all but certainly end somewhere between ages 35-45, at best.
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Precisely one of my points: "... a big part of Torchiere's problems are her choices: a "career" with built-in brevity ...". Assuming she had at least one functioning unimpaired brain cell, she had to know at the outset that her career as a stripper would all but certainly end somewhere between ages 35-45, at best.
You don't happen to live in Maine do you? :p
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I just got off the phone with Andy. He was on the surgery schedule for tomorrow, but it looks like there's been some kind of problem.
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the witch was his surgeon?
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the witch was his surgeon?
Nah, just a parallel with the Andyscam.
But it would be a fascinating twist to the story if DUmmy msanthrope mentioned how she helped Andy years ago.
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367 replies, 15220 views
Well, the thread's pretty much dead now.
I suppose it's time for the elusive enigmatic Elad to take out the hammer-and-chisel again, as it's probably likely there's going to be a new primitive in the mortuary. I have no idea how it's going to happen, or what's going to happen, but it seems to me this is pretty much the only outcome of the torched bitch's unwillingness to put herself under the complete control and guidance of a competent person.
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Response to daredtowork (Reply #351)
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:51 PM
Star Member bettyellen (27,968 posts)
364. when you beg for help- you do not get to set unreasonable terms. real life does not work that way.
expecting Misanthrope's family to keep housing an animal that endangers them is cruel. TTW had bragged about Yoshi being an attack dog- but did not warn her about this aggressiveness when she made her generous offer. That was dishonest of TTW, and cruel to Yoshi.
One of the primary factors was her dragging her feet - for months- to the point where it was hard to believe she wanted any help. Ignoring advice again and again and again, stalling with the job search, stalling signing up for housing- blaming others for ALL of that.....blaming everyone for endless misunderstandings, and trying to throw good money after bad to stay in her apartment.
Endless bad decisions that she would take no responsibility for. Many of us have endured years of similar behavior from family and friends who are addicts or have severe mental issues plus addiction. We know that enabling the situation does not help. The red flags were all over her responses.
Not bootstraps at all- but if she had shown just a few shreds of responsibility, if she had actually done more than a few phone calls those first months... it would have prompted a bigger outpouring of help. Instead- she angrily said she didn't even read or follow up on advice given because others annoyed her on the thread. She rejected housing because she didn't like the sound of a voice on the phone. So, again- it is everyone else's fault.
She again fails to take responsibility for Yoshi's situation - which happened because she did not warn Misanthrope he could be dangerous- and now it's "her terms" are not met?
I know she is not well, but it is not helping her, defending her cruel and unfair expectations of others. Other people should not get mauled due to her inability to care for him. Nope.
But we are the cruel and stupid ones for realizing this instantly.
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But we are the cruel and stupid ones for realizing this instantly.
Wow. The bettyellen primitive, one of the most rabid acolytes of the late red round one during the scam that rocked the internet ten and a half years ago. It's too bad she didn't have this level of common sense back then.
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Lurking DUmbasses,just a word.
Your ilk endlessly expounds the virtues of drugs and stoning out as if it is just a peaceful Nirvana.
Here is what the reality of addiction is like and even if all drugs were legal the outcome would be no different because it is still a market (yeah,I know,most of you would declare smoking dope to be a "right" and should be free).
Whoever torchy is,she migrated to a seedy side of life early on (so much for feminism) to make easy money and it led to what some of you now realize is a life of addiction as she sunk deeper and deeper into that hedonistic lifestyle.
It was her own choices,no one forced any of it on her yet you refuse to accept that out loud because it flies in the face of what you are determined to believe,that your failures in life are not your own fault.
There was no doubt from the beginning what was going on,it was obvious from the disjointed and contradictory posts with the oft repeated insistence that she needed cash.
Are you proud that you let this disturbed person fall deeper and deeper into a life of hopelessness and danger simply because it fit your fantasy world agenda of being oppressed and helpless.
Torchy will likely die of an overdose or be beaten/shot to death by an urban animal that got a blowjob and wasn`t going to pay.
Of course then you will blame the gun if the latter but that is because you can`t live in the real world of the misery your ideology inevitably creates.
I despise you.
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Lurking DUmbasses,just a word.
Damn, Carl, you need to find a booking agent and go on the lecture circuit.
Really.
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But this renewed thread has been a huge success
In just five days or so, Torch/Moose/msanthrope scored over a thousand DUmmybucks.
If they can manufacture a new crisis to endanger the mutt's life (no one cares about Torchie) every week or so, this could turn into a lucrative storyline.
Nothing approaching Andyscam dimensions, but good for the 0conomy.
The next "threat" to Yoshi's life should be a real hoot.
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In the meanwhile, Torchy's former landlord is still having to dig through all the filth and damage she left behind. On one hand, no doubt he's happy to be rid of the nut job. But that's still a lot of time and expense on his part to not only evict her but to make the place rentable again.
Ms. Piggy only had to deal with her for a short time and see where it got her; a lot of effort for no thanks and the nut thinking people are conspiring against her. Come to think of it, Torchy is the embodiment of liberal ideology. You do and do and do and liberals are never happy or satisfied, and it's all your fault. Just like Torchy, you can't please the mentally ill.
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Lurking DUmbasses,just a word...
Ordinance dead on target, Carl.
I've followed this trainwreck, just like the Kirk and Jeanette trainwreck, and can't help but be reminded of the sneering scolding we received from Buzzy the Goatee for pointing out how mean we were because we were not enablers for bad behavior.
I hope he gives DUmmie bettyellen some of that snark for daring to speak the truth.
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Ordinance dead on target, Carl.
I've followed this trainwreck, just like the Kirk and Jeanette trainwreck, and can't help but be reminded of the sneering scolding we received from Buzzy the Goatee for pointing out how mean we were because we were not enablers for bad behavior.
I hope he gives DUmmie bettyellen some of that snark for daring to speak the truth.
I don't think Clicking Buzzard will participate is this thread, might cost him money.
Nor will he show his cheap assed face here. Since he hasn't donated a dime to any of the DUmp Beggars, something he harangued us about in his last series of posts. Guess he's afraid the moths will escape from his wallet.
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J_J_ (806 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027054686
What can we DU now to help TTW and Yoshi ?
Anyone can understand why she got her dog back, this is family.
Is there anything people can do now to help get her in housing with her dog?
The story about another duer and dog getting hit by a car just made me worried about TTW and Yoshi.
They need somewhere to be safe.
underahedgerow (411 posts)
224. Everyone wonders why TTW isn't acting rationally. Well, she can't.
She's not capable of making decisions that most of us here recognize as 'easy' and logical.
She has mental health issues. Whether they can be addressed with medication or in a regulated setting is something only professionals can determine. Since she has no stewards in her life as most likely, she has driven them away given her limited rational abilities, the possibility of getting her into an analytical setting is nearly impossible. I'm guessing her family has done the best they can, but when you're dealing with mental illness, sometimes the only solution is to let nature take its course, and step away, to save the others in the family from harm and stress.
That being said, going back to the Reagan bashing event when he 'let the nuts out of the loony bins'. It comes down to the issue of free will. Can we as humans, rightfully detain people against their will if they pose no threat to others? It's basic human rights; no, we can't.
I find the suggestion to set up a managed fund for TTW to be equally unrealistic, given her current state of mind. Even a normal, healthy individual would oppose the idea of funds being controlled and used for a specific purpose only, with no control from the recipient. Propose that situation to someone on the borderline paranoid schizophrenic scale and you'll be met with hostility and no gratitude whatsoever.
As far as the dog, if you step back, you'll see that Yoshi and TTW are nearly one and the same. Funny how the two would find each other, a symbiosis of incredible tragedy. Neither can be helped by anyone from the outside, without the other. Tragically the only realistic outcome for him is for some genuine hero to step up, like Cesar Milan or someone of that caliber, to recondition the animal and provide an objective opinion on if the animal is worth saving. Sadly, with TTW's condition, the potential of that happening is zero to none. A few heroes have tried to step up and step in, and were burned badly. This isn't TTW's fault, she is not in control of her mental condition and we mustn't blame her, but this is the problem with mental illness...
The caveat here is that we must sometimes be objective. We cannot save every single animal that is in need, especially if it is at great expense and if it causes harm to the animal, as some are suggesting 'putting the dog in a cage'. Well, there isn't a creature alive on the planet that thrives in a cage. Sometimes the most optimal outcome is to put the animal down, and divert the scarce resources towards animals that can be turned around and 'saved'.
I think that collectively we must all resign ourselves to the fact that there is nothing that anyone can do here. TTW is pretty much unemployable in her mental state, which has probably deteriorated over the years. Yoshi is pretty much un-re-homeable in his current state. Unless TTW has the mental capacity to realize that she has to let go of Yoshi in order to get herself back on track, and recognizes that she needs serious long term medical mental health care AND has the money to even fund such a venture, the outcome, while not specific, is predictable.
This is how the world works with mental illness. It's a desperate spiral down the drain, and sometimes, all we can do is step back and wish it were all different. So many people have devoted a lot of time, love and effort here, and all we can take from it is the lesson that sometimes, we are powerless over issues that are far bigger than we are. We can't save everyone, no matter how hard we try.
But, you tried. You all tried... that's the best we can say, and there is no shame in that.
Boudica the Lyoness (2,498 posts)
38. DU would have to pay her rent for the years to come.
I don't think anyone here, let alone a group of us, should become legally responsible for renting an apartment for her and her big vicious dog. The house she was evicted from was seriously damaged from leaking water. We do not know the full story of what went on there or what the landlord was put through over the years.
I think maybe it's not a matter of just bouncing back. TTW seems to have a habit of being rather unpleasant (name calling at the very least) and ungrateful to people who try to help her. There was a case worker who tried to help her and then was called useless etc. Her siblings have tried to get her help. At one point one of them suggested she get in her car and keep driving south to a warmer winter climate. I think they might have been at their end of their rope when they said that.
It is not a sensible solution for anyone here to physically help. She did threaten legal action against the people who went out of their way to help her dog that she said was being abused at the Doggie Daycare - that she put him in. I'm continually puzzled by her decisions. For instance, said when she went to visit the dog at the day care she had had to shorten her visit with him because it was so hot outside and there was just cement for them to visit on. I would have gone inside with him or had him in the car and maybe drove him to a shady grassy area so he could get some exercise.
There are many things that TTW has done that have caused me to realize that she needs a special kind of help that cannot be provided for on DU. The very first thing that got my attention was that she blamed her landlord for being fired from her job - the hot water heater broke and instead of boiling a kettle of water for a wash she stopped going to work and was fired.
I think the best thing that we can do is somehow reach out to her family and maybe assist them in encouraging her to get the help she desperately needs.
So... the welfare system is a great thing.... as long as I don't have to personally pay for it. [/DU]
KittyWampus (49,500 posts)
42. So now you want to raise funds for housing AND obedience classes?
What about dog food too?
And Yoshi WAS in a shelter and was on track to go to an rescue group.
There is a point where you are not helping, but enabling.
darkangel218 (11,499 posts)
83. I have nothing further to say to someone who thinks fiding safe housing for a homeless person is "enabling".
darkangel218 (11,499 posts)
171. She [Msanthrope] promised she would keep Yoshi, yet they surrendered him to a kill shelter 2 days later!!
Why not keep him in a cage/crate???
pnwmom (62,122 posts)
173. They surrendered her to a shelter where the dog would only have to stay for 3 days, because the Akita rescue -- not a kill shelter -- had already agreed to take him.
BUT they also told TTW exactly where Yoshi was, and how she could pick him up -- and she did. The only difference was that she picked the dog up from the shelter instead of the ex-s house. And from everything I've seen here, I can see why they wanted an intermediary for that transition.
P.S. Yoshi was miserable in his crate at the Doggie Daycare. That's why TTW wanted someone to save him.
darkangel218 (11,499 posts)
71. Yah whatever, I'm trying to come up with ways to help someone in need.
You and your personal hate can go (elsewhere)
This is a thread to help TTW, and your personal melodrama is disrupting.
pnwmom (62,122 posts)
165. I wouldn't be surprised if drugs were also involved. It would fit with some of her behaviors
:stoner:
Yo_Mama (6,513 posts)
73. Even assuming that you could, doesn't that just put her back where she was in February?
And she was not in a good place in February, or March, or April, etc. Too stressed out to eat or sleep or work, according to her own statements.
Until you can provide help to address the problems that caused the homelessness, I don't think you can actually help her. My personal guess is that she needs a residential placement with mental health services to be in a safe situation for herself.
As for Yoshi - well, this is obviously stressful, and now the poor dog is ill. I don't think this is a vicious dog - it sounded like the behavior was pure pack dominance, but that is a bloody affair in nature. If this dog is out on the streets trying to create a defended domain, they are both in trouble. You have to assume that Yoshi loves TTW, and that her stressed state is causing Yoshi to try to defend her. A lot of dogs will do fine with a stable owner but become "vicious" when the owner is unstable. It's not a change in the dog, but in the circumstances. A dog like this does what it does, pretty much. What it is born and bred to do.
If you are going to try to do this, you need to plan on at least six months. TTW is not able to work, and will need money to feed Yoshi, pay for vet bills, and perhaps for mental health services. I believe she is getting food stamps and is on Medicaid, but I am not sure what type of mental health services she is getting or able to accept. She will definitely need someone to visit her at least three times a week and try to help her get more functional and less stressed.
But I believe it would be highly dangerous to try to do this. I will try to explain why.
I have taken "vicious" dogs and saved them. I don't think there are many vicious dogs, but most dogs will become "vicious" under the right circumstances. Under no circumstances would I ever let a dog displaying this behavior be around any other humans or dogs without being under complete physical control until I had gotten the dog to a safe place. I am very concerned indeed about the possible results.
Anyway, having done this, I am pretty realistic about what it takes, and I do not feel that Yoshi is going to be reliable under the circumstances. I am very worried about what is going to happen, and it is not because of Yoshi, but because of TTW's state. TTW is so stressed out that the dog is constantly getting bad signals, and after this recent episode, almost anything could happen.
If you want to save the dog, you need a permanent home without too much proximity to other animals/people, and constant care, supervision and training for six months to a year. It takes that long to establish basic trust and get the dog into success and competence mode. In her current state, TTW is not able to be that person. If she were not working, she might be able to handle it, but I think not. But if she is not working, what happens at the end of six months or a year? TTW is utterly unable to handle basic living at this point. She is in a terrific state of stress, and attempting to change anything or operate under pressure seems to cause her to utterly break down.
If you want to save TTW, I think the best thing would be semi-supervised living with mental health services. I do not see how these two sets of needs - dog and human - mesh.
I love dogs. I accept, because I must, that their lives are not as important as human lives. At this point I would opt to save TTW, if that were possible and if she would accept help.
I have tried so hard to be tactful over these months about the situation, but at this point I believe you are proposing something that is literally dangerous to other human beings out of pure compassion. No one is bad in this situation - not TTW, Yoshi, or those who have tried to help. But without developing some realism about this situation, I fear that very bad results might ensue.
Just to be absolutely clear, because I know a lot of people have no understanding of dogs - if you put this dog now without CONSTANT supervision in a situation with any other animals, Yoshi will kill any dog who won't take second place, and will probably kill any random animals wandering around. Further, a human will have to fight for months to gain real control over the dog, because first the dog will have to believe in the human. These aren't dumb animals.
If you put this dog into a new home with TTW in which TTW and the dog are exposed to other people, and TTW responds with the type of reaction toward other humans which she herself has described several times, there is a very real chance Yoshi will attack the other person. Yoshi won't do it because Yoshi is vicious, but after two or three weeks, Yoshi will decide this is the new territory to be defended, and that it is absolutely imperative to run off anyone who looks dangerous or who appears to be causing a bad reaction in TTW. Because after all, what just happened was horrific, and it must not be repeated.
Okay, so if someone is coming to visit TTW and trying to help her get her life in functional order, that will require bridging from one stressful situation to the next. Basically you take each thing TTW can't face and help her work through it in a controlled fashion, and eventually the stress fades on that activity, and you go to the next. Now you've got a dog watching this, and sensing TTW's reaction. You show up, TTW gets stressed. A week, two weeks, and Yoshi isn't going to let you in the door, and even if TTW orders Yoshi down and lets you in, when her stress builds up, Yoshi's going to go for that dangerous intruder. Not because Yoshi is vicious, but because Yoshi has had months and months of worry and concern, and then disaster, and then he's just getting TTW in better situation, and you are the enemy attempting to walk in on TTW and invade her new safe territory, and YOU ARE THE ENEMY AND YOU ARE GOING DOWN.
That's the truth. The problem here is not that you have a vicious dog. You have an irrational human under great stress and a RATIONAL dog who does not understand the source of the stress, but observes associations carefully. That's a recipe for DISASTER.
So if you really care about TTW, don't try this. I am very sorry, I don't know what to do. If TTW would surrender the dog and we could get her into some safe living situation with assistance, we could try to help her. But I would never, ever contribute to what you are trying to do, because I believe it is tantamount to driving very fast while drunk. You don't know just when or exactly how the crash will happen, but you do know it's NOT GOING TO END WELL.
Its for the greater good...
Lil Missy (14,819 posts)
131. It's time for DU to move on.
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Yo_Mama (6,513 posts)
73. Even assuming that you could, doesn't that just put her back where she was in February?
And she was not in a good place in February, or March, or April, etc. Too stressed out to eat or sleep or work, according to her own statements.
Until you can provide help to address the problems that caused the homelessness, I don't think you can actually help her. My personal guess is that she needs a residential placement with mental health services to be in a safe situation for herself.
As for Yoshi - well, this is obviously stressful, and now the poor dog is ill. I don't think this is a vicious dog - it sounded like the behavior was pure pack dominance, but that is a bloody affair in nature. If this dog is out on the streets trying to create a defended domain, they are both in trouble. You have to assume that Yoshi loves TTW, and that her stressed state is causing Yoshi to try to defend her. A lot of dogs will do fine with a stable owner but become "vicious" when the owner is unstable. It's not a change in the dog, but in the circumstances. A dog like this does what it does, pretty much. What it is born and bred to do.
If you are going to try to do this, you need to plan on at least six months. TTW is not able to work, and will need money to feed Yoshi, pay for vet bills, and perhaps for mental health services. I believe she is getting food stamps and is on Medicaid, but I am not sure what type of mental health services she is getting or able to accept. She will definitely need someone to visit her at least three times a week and try to help her get more functional and less stressed.
But I believe it would be highly dangerous to try to do this. I will try to explain why.
I have taken "vicious" dogs and saved them. I don't think there are many vicious dogs, but most dogs will become "vicious" under the right circumstances. Under no circumstances would I ever let a dog displaying this behavior be around any other humans or dogs without being under complete physical control until I had gotten the dog to a safe place. I am very concerned indeed about the possible results.
Anyway, having done this, I am pretty realistic about what it takes, and I do not feel that Yoshi is going to be reliable under the circumstances. I am very worried about what is going to happen, and it is not because of Yoshi, but because of TTW's state. TTW is so stressed out that the dog is constantly getting bad signals, and after this recent episode, almost anything could happen.
If you want to save the dog, you need a permanent home without too much proximity to other animals/people, and constant care, supervision and training for six months to a year. It takes that long to establish basic trust and get the dog into success and competence mode. In her current state, TTW is not able to be that person. If she were not working, she might be able to handle it, but I think not. But if she is not working, what happens at the end of six months or a year? TTW is utterly unable to handle basic living at this point. She is in a terrific state of stress, and attempting to change anything or operate under pressure seems to cause her to utterly break down.
If you want to save TTW, I think the best thing would be semi-supervised living with mental health services. I do not see how these two sets of needs - dog and human - mesh.
I love dogs. I accept, because I must, that their lives are not as important as human lives. At this point I would opt to save TTW, if that were possible and if she would accept help.
I have tried so hard to be tactful over these months about the situation, but at this point I believe you are proposing something that is literally dangerous to other human beings out of pure compassion. No one is bad in this situation - not TTW, Yoshi, or those who have tried to help. But without developing some realism about this situation, I fear that very bad results might ensue.
Just to be absolutely clear, because I know a lot of people have no understanding of dogs - if you put this dog now without CONSTANT supervision in a situation with any other animals, Yoshi will kill any dog who won't take second place, and will probably kill any random animals wandering around. Further, a human will have to fight for months to gain real control over the dog, because first the dog will have to believe in the human. These aren't dumb animals.
If you put this dog into a new home with TTW in which TTW and the dog are exposed to other people, and TTW responds with the type of reaction toward other humans which she herself has described several times, there is a very real chance Yoshi will attack the other person. Yoshi won't do it because Yoshi is vicious, but after two or three weeks, Yoshi will decide this is the new territory to be defended, and that it is absolutely imperative to run off anyone who looks dangerous or who appears to be causing a bad reaction in TTW. Because after all, what just happened was horrific, and it must not be repeated.
Okay, so if someone is coming to visit TTW and trying to help her get her life in functional order, that will require bridging from one stressful situation to the next. Basically you take each thing TTW can't face and help her work through it in a controlled fashion, and eventually the stress fades on that activity, and you go to the next. Now you've got a dog watching this, and sensing TTW's reaction. You show up, TTW gets stressed. A week, two weeks, and Yoshi isn't going to let you in the door, and even if TTW orders Yoshi down and lets you in, when her stress builds up, Yoshi's going to go for that dangerous intruder. Not because Yoshi is vicious, but because Yoshi has had months and months of worry and concern, and then disaster, and then he's just getting TTW in better situation, and you are the enemy attempting to walk in on TTW and invade her new safe territory, and YOU ARE THE ENEMY AND YOU ARE GOING DOWN.
That's the truth. The problem here is not that you have a vicious dog. You have an irrational human under great stress and a RATIONAL dog who does not understand the source of the stress, but observes associations carefully. That's a recipe for DISASTER.
So if you really care about TTW, don't try this. I am very sorry, I don't know what to do. If TTW would surrender the dog and we could get her into some safe living situation with assistance, we could try to help her. But I would never, ever contribute to what you are trying to do, because I believe it is tantamount to driving very fast while drunk. You don't know just when or exactly how the crash will happen, but you do know it's NOT GOING TO END WELL.
I admit that only scanned the above, but from pieces I did read it looks like Yo_Mama is making some sense. I thought that was a bannable offense at DU.
I'm beginning to view this entire saga as sort of a parable.
Yoshi = the USA
TTW = liberals.
Yoshi would be okay except for TTW. You can try to help TTW, but TTW will turn on you. TTW will refuse any sensible advice. Yoshi is screwed.
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I have had some fun observing and commenting on Torchie the Stripper Witch, as she shook her moneymaker and worked her fellow DUmmies like a bar full of college freshmen. I will likely laugh at her again when she comes back next week- same moonbat time, same moonbat channel.
But, seriously...
It's hard to tell how much of the Torchie/Yoshi saga is bullshit, because Torchie told so many fantastic* stories along the way. This much is clear: Torchie is a seriously mentally ill woman, probably aggravated by drug addiction, and is unable to take care of herself or her dog.
The amateur social workers on Skins' Island made the problem worse for both of them, and continue to do so. It would be better for her and Yoshi if the DUmmies stepped back and stopped trying to "help".
Just stop, DUmmies.
*For lurking Dummies, "fantastic" means "based in fantasy, removed from reality, irrational, wild".
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Heh. What a bunch of bullshit.
Me, if I was really wanting to help the stripper, I would've shot the dog and told her he broke off his leash and escaped.
That would have been the biggest kindness you could've done. DUmmies would never understand that though.
KC
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Isn't UGP looking for a roommate? I doubt the Akita could hurt Blackie the ghost chicken.
Seriously, as someone who has a rescue herding dog and a rescue bloodhound, I'm sick to death of people getting dogs without researching what their temperament is and what kind of an owner they need. Some breeds aren't for everybody. My sister's fiance has Akitas. They're great dogs but he had to put a ton of work into them, socializing them with other dogs and people.
Herding dogs need a job, tons and tons of exercise & stimulation and they're damn stubborn. They herd everything. But it's also their prey drive that's partially responsible for their herding instinct. They require a ton of work or they'll chase anything that moves.
Bloodhounds are a fairly new breed for me (Molly's my second...I'm her 3rd home and she's only 2 years old). She's loving, affectionate and a freaking moose and eats almost a whole chicken every day. She has to be in my total control when she's outside because when she puts her nose to the ground, she'll follow it to the ends of the earth. Her first 2 homes did no training and she spent months and months on a leash just to get her in control. The first owners thought she was going to be small, like a basset hound and the larger she got, the more time she spent in a kennel in the garage. The wife hated her. Her 2nd home, they didn't take into account how much she ate and she was very food aggressive because she wasn't getting enough. They didn't let her out much because (as is their nature) she would dig under the fence to get to a scent.
TTW has NO business having a big dog that needs a firm hand and needs a lot of food. How can she even afford to feed him if she's unemployed? If he does bite someone, especially a child, there's a good chance he'd be put down. Had she left him with the rescue he'd have a good life with an experience Akita owner (rescues screen very carefully). I don't care how sick or drug addled she is, if she truly loved that dog she would've done the right thing and put his needs over her own.
cindie
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Just say it DUmbasses...torchy wants your money to buy the dope of her choice.
That is all it has ever been about.
The dog is nothing but a wall of protection for her and in the near future it will be killed when her usefulness to a pimp runs out.
Sh is the poster child of your belief system.
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Why are they spending so much time on that stupid bitch and her crazy dog? If she wanted help, she'd have taken it. She's strung out on drugs and she's circling the drain. Soon she'll be dead and that's that. Jesus, move on, DUmmies.
Or open your homes.
*crickets*
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Why are they spending so much time on that stupid bitch and her crazy dog? If she wanted help, she'd have taken it. She's strung out on drugs and she's circling the drain. Soon she'll be dead and that's that. Jesus, move on, DUmmies.
Or open your homes.
*crickets*
Deep down they know she's the human incarnation of Yoshi. They'll come home to a wrecked and soiled couch, angry neighbors that were threatened and their fridge empty.
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Deep down they know she's the human incarnation of Yoshi. They'll come home to a wrecked and soiled couch, angry neighbors that were threatened and their fridge empty.
Not just the fridge - the television cabinet, computer desk &c.&c.&c.
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Misanthrope posted this morning that he was visited by the police, the witch actually reported him for stealing her dog.
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Misanthrope posted this morning that he was visited by the police, the witch actually reported him for stealing her dog.
She sounds like a crackpot.
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She sounds like a crackpot.
**** all of them.
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More torchy news.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027062865
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Hey you ignorant,idiotic,stupid,cretins...we were right about drug addict torchy,right about pedophile coles county Bob,right about pathological liar Pam/dementedjeep and pretty much every last damn thing you fools believe.
Why do you imbeciles still think you are smarter then everyone else?
**** yourselves sideways you moronic lot of half witted retards.
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Misanthrope posted this morning that he was visited by the police, the witch actually reported him for stealing her dog.
Denying reality won't keeping it from biting you in the @$$! I wonder how many more DU-@$$es she'll bite before they all wise-up.
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One DUmbass fell so hard for the scam, she offered a spare room at her home.
It reminds me so much of the situation a couple of years ago when poor addled grasswipe Judy Smith moved into the bonus room at a friend's "farmette".
She was homeless and just needed a month or two to get on her feet.
Two years later the now-former friend was desperate to get rid of her.
After another year, she was finally evicted into an old abandoned bodega - the site of her imaginary "pie shop".
Never offer housing to a deadbeat.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:19 PM
avebury (6,349 posts)
134. One thing to consider if you had let her stay at your home
is that you might have a difficult getting her out again. There have been cases where people have had to go through an eviction process to get someone out of their home.
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:39 PM
Lee-Lee (1,996 posts)
138. I saw that all the time when I was a deputy
Get to a call- "I want this person out of my house".
"Has the person every paid rent, paid a bill or shared expenses?"
"They helped with a power bill but we don't have a lease they are a guest this apartment is in my name and I want them out"
"Sorry, if they helped you with any bills they are a tenant under the law. Here is the address of the magistrates office you will have to do a formal eviction."
Saw that several times a week- usually an ill-advised house guest or a quick to move in boyfriend/girlfriend that went south.