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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: zeitgeist on July 29, 2015, 05:14:21 PM
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DanTex (8,502 posts)
Meet two of Hillary's liberal billionaire supporters: George Soros and Tom Steyer.
Both made their wealth managing hedge funds. Both have transitioned mainly to philanthropic endeavors. And both hold political views similar to most DUers.
George Soros has been supporting progressive causes all over the world from some time. From anti-apartheid, to democratization in Eastern Europe, to donating to liberal groups in America like moveon, attempting to help defeat Bush, and supporting liberal politicians.
Tom Steyer is more focused on a single issue, the environment. He founded the NextGen PAC, and has contributed both to politicians and to ballot initiatives, focused on trying to get people elected and policies enacted that will fight climate change.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Steyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
All too often, the mindless Hillary bashing horde decries the "billionaires" supporting Hillary, as if all billionaires are the same as the Koch brothers. To say that all billionaires are conservatives who want to protect the current obscene levels of wealth inequality is like saying that all white people are racists who want to preserve the current state of racial injustice and white privilege. It may be the case that many or most billionaires/white people are like this, but certainly not all. And Soros and Steyer are clearly not part of that category.
One fact that gets lost in the morass of Hillary bashing is that Bernie has rich supporters as well. In fact, of all people, he chose two men worth $150M each to introduce him in his first campaign event in Burlington. Ben and Jerry, from the ice cream company.
No, they're not billionaires, but a $150M net worth puts you far beyond the 1% mark, wealthier than all but the very top executives at Wall Street banks. Does anyone think that the "association" with these uber-rich capitalists is some kind of indication that Bernie is secretly a tool of the oligarchy?
Of course not. Because Ben and Jerry have supported progressive causes their whole lives. As have Hillary's wealthy supporters like Soros and Steyer.
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Stargazer99 (1,335 posts)
1. At least they are putting money in support of the people not just the wealthy
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Response to Stargazer99 (Reply #1)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:16 PM
DanTex (8,502 posts)
2. Exactly. The fact that wealth inequality is so high doesn't mean that all
wealthy people are bad. In fact a number of them (Warren Buffet is another example) are just as disturbed by income inequality as any other progressive.
That's why it's important to distinguish between the Koch brothers and people like Steyer and Soros.
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:23 PM
msongs (36,635 posts)
3. so when a bilionaire endorses bernie, will all the bernie-ites abandon him? nt
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Response to msongs (Reply #3)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:24 PM
DanTex (8,502 posts)
4. Well, they don't seem bothered by his close relationship with a couple $150M-aires.
Imagine the outrage if Hillary's grand kickoff speech was introduced by a couple uber-rich capitalists!
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Response to msongs (Reply #3)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:35 PM
Star Member BainsBane (32,979 posts)
5. Billionaires for Bernie is a Super PAC
I haven't heard about people leaving Bernie because of it, or because the billionaire Elon Musk supports Bernie, or because a number of Hollywood one percenters support Bernie.
I think it comes down to: money for Bernie good, money for Hillary bad.
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:56 PM
Agony (2,085 posts)
6. you forgot Warren Buffet
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Response to DanTex (Original post)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:49 PM
ibegurpard (11,739 posts)
7. I don't want our government controlled by big money
I don't give a shit whether they agree with me or not. More "our team" tribalism bullshit.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #7)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:52 PM
DanTex (8,502 posts)
8. Neither do Soros and Steyer. Or Ben and Jerry. Or Hillary and Bernie.
That's what makes defeating the GOP (which means voting for Hillary in the GE) so important
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No hypocrisy displayed :whistling: here right?
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Something to think about lurking DUmbasses.
Only leftist,monied elite need to slaughter those that squirm at their feet demanding their due.
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When you're rich, so much of the pablum you profess will never affect you.
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When you're rich, so much of the pablum you profess will never affect you.
Conservative rich generally want to create paths for others to follow to personal greatness.
Liberal rich generally want to only create paths to (personal) power.
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Conservative rich generally want to create paths for others to follow to.
Liberal rich generally want to only create paths to (personal) power.
Very true, and after addressing the rich lib pablum projectile vomiters, I should have addressed the conservative rich as you so rightly did.
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Conservative rich generally want to create paths for others to follow to personal greatness.
Liberal rich generally want to only create paths to (personal) power.
The liberal rich only want to give the peons enough to keep them mollified and voting democrat.
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All too often, the mindless Hillary bashing horde decries the "billionaires" supporting Hillary, as if all billionaires are the same as the Koch brothers. To say that all billionaires are conservatives who want to protect the current obscene levels of wealth inequality...... It may be the case that many or most billionaires are like this, but certainly not all. And Soros and Steyer are clearly not part of that category.
It takes a special level of stupid to believe that rich Dems/libs do anything that's not to their financial advantage. That libs believe Soros and Steyer are not doing what they're doing to maintain, and even increase, their "obscene level of wealth inequality" is just another example of how they walk around with blinders on.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #7)Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:52 PM
DanTex (8,502 posts)
8. Neither do Soros and Steyer. Or Ben and Jerry. Or Hillary and Bernie.
That's what makes defeating the GOP (which means voting for Hillary in the GE) so important.
That level of stupid cannot be reasoned with. Impossible.