Post by: CC27 on July 16, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
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kentuck (74,419 posts)
Rush Limbaugh goes berserk over Obama's response to Major Garrett's question....
...at yesterday's presser.
"Why does he "pretend" that the four hostages could not be included in the negotiations", in a close paraphrase??
"Why did he promise $150 billion dollars to Iran", their reward for US stopping sanctions against Iran?
It was a high blood pressure session for Rush. He was clearly very angry and revengeful.
Why did America not get the "Americans" released? Obviously, we do not know the details.
However, there was an immediate problem that needed to be addressed. That being that Iran was only months from developing their first nuclear weapon. Russian, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the EU were part of the negotiating team also. It is like their word or interests mean nothing. We must have our way all the time, especially if Americans are being held prisoner.
For if Iran developed a nuclear weapon, Israel would have been considered their number one target. That scenario was very possible.
Obama and Kerry seemed to have a done a great favor for Israel, regardless of how else the agreement may be seen?
The alternative was to bomb Iran. Another war in the Middle East, and perhaps much, much worse than the others? What alternative was preferable? That is the question that must be answered.
I don't blame Rush for being pissed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026980324
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2015, 03:11:35 PM
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on July 16, 2015, 03:42:04 PM
Obama acted stupidly.Yep. Rush didn't go berserk. He pointed out that Dem/Coward Presidents tend to go to Oklahoma & make these stupid statements.
Hooey.
Post by: jukin on July 16, 2015, 04:04:57 PM
I taped because every thing King Barky the Liar of Fecal Touch said will be proved to be a lie and wrong.
First lie to be exposed is that the "Give Iran the Bomb" deal would stop a nuclear arms race. We will see several Sunni state going nuclear within a year. The Saudis are already shopping.
Post by: BlueStateSaint on July 16, 2015, 04:36:59 PM
The whole propaganda circus yesterday was ridiculous. The armies of strawmen that Obama burned and the number of lies were incalculable.
I taped because every thing King Barky the Liar of Fecal Touch said will be proved to be a lie and wrong.
First lie to be exposed is that the "Give Iran the Bomb" deal would stop a nuclear arms race. We will see several Sunni state going nuclear within a year. The Saudis are already shopping.
If the Saudis do not have two Pakistani nuclear weapons on the ground at King Khalid Military City right now, with a few billion dollars now in the treasury of Pakistan in exchange, I would be shocked.
Post by: Carl on July 16, 2015, 07:29:49 PM
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However, there was an immediate problem that needed to be addressed. That being that Iran was only months from developing their first nuclear weapon. Russian, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the EU were part of the negotiating team also. It is like their word or interests mean nothing. We must have our way all the time, especially if Americans are being held prisoner.
For if Iran developed a nuclear weapon, Israel would have been considered their number one target. That scenario was very possible.
Just like "if you like your health care plan..."
Post by: obumazombie on July 16, 2015, 07:33:08 PM
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on July 16, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
We got nothing, Iran got billions and an open door to sell oil, easily enough to outfit several university high-energy physics labs without even a noticeable hiccup in the cash flow.
Post by: Carl on July 16, 2015, 08:00:55 PM
Hey, Brainiac, Iran is still only months away from getting a nuclear weapon. The fissionable material is not the tough part, it's generating the right energy level of neutrons to initiate a cascading chain reaction in a supercritical mass. They can outfox the IAEA on the fissionable material part, and they can buy the info on explosive compression of the fissionables (Not exactly impossible for even crazy Shi'iteheads to figure out, since US scientists managed to dope it out without anything but brains, tube-based computers that would look stupid next to your smart phone, and slide rules over 70 years ago). Making the thing that makes it go boom is the hard part, but they can keep researching the shit out of that without having to site it at a centrifuge installation, ore plant, or military base - just a well-equipped university high-energy physics lab. It's also the kind of work they can keep packaged to move off-site without a trace, given two weeks' notice.
We got nothing, Iran got billions and an open door to sell oil, easily enough to outfit several university high-energy physics labs without even a noticeable hiccup in the cash flow.
Plus who else has oil as his only real export?
Putin,who has at his disposal the rest of that equation to trade against the world oil market being flooded.
Btw,why aren`t the DUmbasses saying this isn`t a bad deal to get cheap oil?
Post by: obumazombie on July 16, 2015, 08:10:44 PM
Plus who else has oil as his only real export?
Putin,who has at his disposal the rest of that equation to trade against the world oil market being flooded.
Btw,why aren`t the DUmbasses saying this isn`t a bad deal to get cheap oil?
They used to say all conservative fought wars were all about oil.
Now, perplexingly(NOT!), they aren't.
Post by: SVPete on July 17, 2015, 08:07:31 AM
Don't bother Scotty, there's no intelligent life on Plane DU! It's a Class S (= Stupid) planet!
Post by: 67 Rover on July 17, 2015, 11:35:08 AM
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However, there was an immediate problem that needed to be addressed. That being that Iran was only months from developing their first nuclear weapon. Russian, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the EU were part of the negotiating team also. It is like their word or interests mean nothing. We must have our way all the time, especially if Americans are being held prisoner.
For if Iran developed a nuclear weapon, Israel would have been considered their number one target. That scenario was very possible.
So now they will COEXIST and there will be peace in the region. "Would have considered their number one target ". :whatever: How f*cking stupid are you?
Post by: RayRaytheSBS on July 17, 2015, 01:10:15 PM
If the Saudis do not have two Pakistani nuclear weapons on the ground at King Khalid Military City right now, with a few billion dollars now in the treasury of Pakistan in exchange, I would be shocked.
Maybe they sent them one as a ramadan present? Just sayin'.... :whistling:
Post by: delilahmused on July 17, 2015, 01:21:55 PM
Cindie
Post by: BlueStateSaint on July 17, 2015, 01:42:03 PM
OTOH, Israel & Saudi Arabia have now formed an alliance to build their own nukes so I guess he did bring Muslims and Jews together. Besides, even in Iran does get a bomb in a few months, the first thing they'd do is wipe Israel off the map. If that happened DUmmies would be celebrating in the streets just like Muslims in the ME did on 9/11.
Cindie
I just had a thought--what if the Saudis offered the billions to Israel for two or three of their nukes? :whistling:
Post by: txradioguy on July 20, 2015, 02:39:15 AM
Yep. Rush didn't go berserk. He pointed out that Dem/Coward Presidents tend to go to Oklahoma & make these stupid statements.
Hooey.
Yup I concur. I heard the podcast on the way home from Cologne yesterday.
Rush didn't go beserk...he sounded perplexed. When I think of Beserk I think of a Mike Malloy or Thom Hartmann rant.
It's amazing the difference between what you and I heard and what kentuck was told was said via MediaMutters.
Post by: txradioguy on July 20, 2015, 02:43:54 AM
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The alternative was to bomb Iran. Another war in the Middle East, and perhaps much, much worse than the others? What alternative was preferable? That is the question that must be answered.
No it isn't that or this shitty deal.
The sanctions were working you DUmbass. What do you think brought them to the negotiating table in the first place?
Secondly...the best way to have prevented Iran nuking up was pissed away when Obama turned his back on the "Green Revolution" uprising that started just after he took office in 2009.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/022812-602609-obama-ignored-iran-freedom-fighters-in-2009.htm
Post by: SVPete on July 20, 2015, 07:54:11 AM
It's typical, the difference between what you and I heard and what kentuck was told was said via MediaMutters.
This alteration of your statement works as well.
ETA: FIFY joke aside, every MMfA, "Guess what Limbaugh said?" hit-piece I've ever checked out - you know, looked at what Rush actually said, in context - turned out to be out of context or a taking literally what was a grossly obvious satire or hyperbole, or ripped out of a context that diametrically contradicted MMfA's spin. If MMfA told me it was raining out side, I'd go out the door and look ... and if it seemed to be true I'd look up on the roof for a dude with a fire hose ... and if I didn't see such a dude on the roof I'd look for him around the backside of the house!
But I will thank MMfA for having created so many opportunities to rub Libs' & Progs' noses in their own stupidity and credulity!