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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CC27 on July 14, 2015, 11:38:55 AM
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karynnj (50,967 posts)
Just wanted to post here to say that I am so happy for today's Iran deal
It was absolutely amazing how much time, effort and sheer methodological intelligence the Kerry/Moniz team put into getting a good deal. Kerry's combination of brilliance, creativity, patience and the ability to listen are incredibly rare. He would have made an awesome President, but it may be that he will have more impact through his job as Secretary of State. This and other accomplishments make him easily the best Secretary of State we have had since George Marshall.
This may well allow the world to avoid a war that could have been more catastrophic than the Iraq war -- and that was pretty bad. It could be a needed step to calm down that entire area. I suspect that Israel is in a permanent state similar to our post 911 with regards to Iran. Netanyahu's responses have not been rational - from his bizarre tweets in Farsi telling the Iranians that it was a bad deal for them to his statements that he will continue the battle on this via Congress. I suspect that this overt lobbying by a foreign country against the President can backfire -- as it did last March when Democrats actually moved AWAY from the call for sanctions.
I saw Tom Cotton this morning on Morning Joe and his comments were strange. They bore no resemblance to the deal and it was clear he had not listened to Obama (Kerry had not spoken yet.) The one who was more troubling was the ignoble Menendez, who strangely was upset that they included banning arms sales and missiles for 6 and 8 years respectively. Somehow he did not get that alternative was that they were an international sanction that would be dropped all together. I suspect it is a combination of being well paid by AIPAC and he's still angry about Cuba.
Both the President and the Secretary did a great job defining what was in the deal. It will be interesting seeing how they attempt to gain support against the neocons and people led by Netanyahu.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11094600
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11094600
DUmmies are like dogs, happily lapping up a dish of antifreeze. Only problem is that it takes too long for it to work on them. Meanwhile the rest of us are at risk and will suffer.
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It's as if they have the brains of a vegetable;
(http://www.onefunsite.com/images/cabbagehead.jpg)
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It was absolutely amazing how much time, effort and sheer methodological intelligence the Kerry/Moniz team put into caving to every single demand of Iran's ayatolla.
Fixed. It was truly kabuki theater as they could have given them everything they wanted in the first hour of talking.
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Peace in our time.
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karynnj (50,967 posts)
Just wanted to post here to say that I am so happy for today's Iran deal
It was absolutely amazing how much time, effort and sheer methodological intelligence the Kerry/Moniz team put into getting a good deal. Kerry's combination of brilliance, creativity, patience and the ability to listen are incredibly rare. He would have made an awesome President, but it may be that he will have more impact through his job as Secretary of State. This and other accomplishments make him easily the best Secretary of State we have had since George Marshall.
Nice Hillary jab...
I saw Tom Cotton this morning on Morning Joe and his comments were strange. They bore no resemblance to the deal and it was clear he had not listened to Obama (Kerry had not spoken yet.)
Unlike you, maybe he read the treaty and did not just take President "if you like your Doctor, you can keep your Doctor" word on it?
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Do we have to ratify the treaty to find out what's in it?....or do we wait for the mushrooms to sprout first?
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I saw Tom Cotton this morning on Morning Joe and his comments were strange. They bore no resemblance to the deal and it was clear he had not listened to Obama (Kerry had not spoken yet.)
Well sure I beleive the guy that has won the political lie of the year every year he has been in office.
Come on, "You can keep your plan if you like your plan. You can keep your doctor if you like your doctor." was full on truth. Or what about "I guess those shovel ready jobs weren't as shovel ready as we thought." lie. Obama is full on trustworthy.
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Do we have to ratify the treaty to find out what's in it?....or do we wait for the mushrooms to sprout first?
If the latter happens the former is moot.
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DEJA F'N VU (http://louderwithcrowder.com/flashback-bill-clintons-korea-speech-scary-close-to-obamas-iran-deal-speech/)
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Iran held out until they got everything they ever wanted. :censored:
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Iran held out until they got everything they ever wanted. :censored:
Well, when you're "negotiating" with the dumbest mother****er that's ever been elected to President of the U.S., what would you expect?
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Well, when you're "negotiating" with the dumbest mother****er that's ever been elected to President of the U.S., what would you expect?
He may very well be the dumbest, but I still believe he knows exactly what he's doing.
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Wow, the stupidity abounds. What we NEEDED with iran was a deal like this:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Shigemitsu-signs-surrender.jpg)
What we got was this instead:
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01000/neville-chamberlai_1000460c.jpg)
This appeasement to Iran is only going to fuel their belief that we will not stop them. Add to that fact that they are sponsoring the militias in Iraq, and you have a powderkeg waiting to go off.... But Obama has his 'Peace in our time'...
I hope to be alive to see that Obama is compared to Chamberlain for this FUBAR of a mess.
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He may very well be the dumbest, but I still believe he knows exactly what he's doing.
I don't think he's the dumbest. I agree wholeheartedly with the second part of your statement--he knows exactly what he is doing, and that is to set off a war in the Middle East--one that probably will involve the first combat use of nuclear weapons since August 9th of 1945. The resulting chaos that this wil set off in the world will eventually lead to the emasculated militaries of several NATO nations in combat, on their own soil, for the first time since World War II. Also, the resulting chaos will lead to . . . To Hell with it--I'm not going there.
We're in a bad way with this. :rant:
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I don't think he's the dumbest. I agree wholeheartedly with the second part of your statement--he knows exactly what he is doing, and that is to set off a war in the Middle East--one that probably will involve the first combat use of nuclear weapons since August 9th of 1945. The resulting chaos that this wil set off in the world will eventually lead to the emasculated militaries of several NATO nations in combat, on their own soil, for the first time since World War II. Also, the resulting chaos will lead to . . . To Hell with it--I'm not going there.
We're in a bad way with this. :rant:
I don't disagree with any of this, but have you stopped to consider WHY he's doing this? I think that part is even scarier: he did it because he is desperate to be liked by people who hate us. Every government of any size in the entire world has a large dossier on this fool, and they've asked their own psychologists to profile him. I can guarantee you that each of them has come to the same conclusion: that 0bama is so insecure and so emotionally fragile that he will seek the approval of those who intimidate or threaten him rather than confront them. It isn't that he would rather be loved than feared. No, it's worse. He would rather be accepted than respected. Barack 0bama has no grand design for the United States, and no real opinions about it one way or the other. This is, literally, simply his job. It just happens to involve the well-being and livelihoods of 330 million people. All of this - the entire Administration - is about exactly one thing, and that is servicing his flaccid self-worth by engaging people who should not be engaged. This Iran deal is not only a disaster for the Middle East, but it will ultimately not even answer the most prominent doubt swimming around in that ill man's mind: "Do they LIKE me?".
And this is what we have to look forward to, what with the systems and institutions we've set up for our young people. Take a fatherless child and attempt to replace that influence with unearned praise and platitudes, and shower that child with dubious honors and meaningless distinction, and then put that special snowflake in front of millions of idiots who feel guilty for being raised under better circumstances, and you get 2008 and 2012. Couple that with the utter inability and complete unwillingness for a liberal to ever brook the thought that they were wrong, and the cycle will repeat itself over and over.
Meanwhile, as we wait for the next Indigo child to graduate summa cum blackkid from Harvard, we get to think about what that feckless, self-hating lunatic will do when the Joint Chiefs tell him Tel Aviv and Los Angeles and Madrid and Rome are gone, given that his first worry is BEING LIKED. We are ****ed.
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Obama has all but guaranteed the nuclear destruction of Israel, along with a good part of the US. This is, frankly, his INTENDED legacy to fundamentally transform America. I have no other words, nor any reason to assert otherwise.
Boehner, McConnell, and the other vichy Republicans all are part of this treasonous affair as well. If this country falls because of their actions, the rules of law become relative, which to me will revert back to true Constitutional intent. How that reversion is done will be very painful for such supporters.
And no, I am not an Alex Jones crazy, but I look at cause and effect from a stone cold viewpoint. And nothing can aver to the above. Obama has been the catalyst that will destroy the planet UNLESS we are VERY, VERY lucky. I would HATE to have children, or grandchildren, in this environment.
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Obama has all but guaranteed the nuclear destruction of Israel, along with a good part of the US. This is, frankly, his INTENDED legacy to fundamentally transform America. I have no other words, nor any reason to assert otherwise.
Boehner, McConnell, and the other vichy Republicans all are part of this treasonous affair as well. If this country falls because of their actions, the rules of law become relative, which to me will revert back to true Constitutional intent. How that reversion is done will be very painful for such supporters.
And no, I am not an Alex Jones crazy, but I look at cause and effect from a stone cold viewpoint. And nothing can aver to the above. Obama has been the catalyst that will destroy the planet UNLESS we are VERY, VERY lucky. I would HATE to have children, or grandchildren, in this environment.
I suspect it won't be as bad as we imagine: when the time comes, Israel will welcome Iran to the nuclear club by reminding it that 0bama is on a golf course in Hawaii and that it will die with its boots on. I further suspect that Israel will continue to develop its mutual interests with Saudi Arabia (weird), and indeed more Iran-funded rocket attacks on Israel will be considered even MORE provocative and will require appropriate response. I imagine the poor suckers living in Gaza will rue the day the Ayatollahs got the bomb, because Israel will at that moment run fresh out of ****s to give.
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He may very well be the dumbest, but I still believe he knows exactly what he's doing.
I believe he's a puppet for Valerie Jarrett and George Soros. They say jump, he says how high. He's a f'n idiot.
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I believe he's a puppet for Valerie Jarrett and George Soros. They say jump, he says how high. He's a f'n idiot.
My God. Can you imagine what someone as stupid as Valerie Jarrett wants with a puppet? Maybe one of those secret executive orders is to get Chanel to speed up design of its handbags. And for Le Bernardin to open a secret DC location.
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I don't disagree with any of this, but have you stopped to consider WHY he's doing this? I think that part is even scarier: he did it because he is desperate to be liked by people who hate us. Every government of any size in the entire world has a large dossier on this fool, and they've asked their own psychologists to profile him. I can guarantee you that each of them has come to the same conclusion: that 0bama is so insecure and so emotionally fragile that he will seek the approval of those who intimidate or threaten him rather than confront them. It isn't that he would rather be loved than feared. No, it's worse. He would rather be accepted than respected. Barack 0bama has no grand design for the United States, and no real opinions about it one way or the other. This is, literally, simply his job. It just happens to involve the well-being and livelihoods of 330 million people. All of this - the entire Administration - is about exactly one thing, and that is servicing his flaccid self-worth by engaging people who should not be engaged. This Iran deal is not only a disaster for the Middle East, but it will ultimately not even answer the most prominent doubt swimming around in that ill man's mind: "Do they LIKE me?".
And this is what we have to look forward to, what with the systems and institutions we've set up for our young people. Take a fatherless child and attempt to replace that influence with unearned praise and platitudes, and shower that child with dubious honors and meaningless distinction, and then put that special snowflake in front of millions of idiots who feel guilty for being raised under better circumstances, and you get 2008 and 2012. Couple that with the utter inability and complete unwillingness for a liberal to ever brook the thought that they were wrong, and the cycle will repeat itself over and over.
Meanwhile, as we wait for the next Indigo child to graduate summa cum blackkid from Harvard, we get to think about what that feckless, self-hating lunatic will do when the Joint Chiefs tell him Tel Aviv and Los Angeles and Madrid and Rome are gone, given that his first worry is BEING LIKED. We are ****ed.
Do you remember the play Death of a Salesman? What was Willy Loman's central goal in life? "To be well-liked." How many people showed up for his funeral at the end? One of his sons had been onto his schtick. The other son and Willy's wife were not, and they were pretty sad at the fact that none of the people who Willy said "liked" him showed up to pay their respects.
Obama's foreign policy--hell, that of the last three Democratic Presidents--has suffered from "Willy Loman disease."
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Do you remember the play Death of a Salesman? What was Willy Loman's central goal in life? "To be well-liked." How many people showed up for his funeral at the end? One of his sons had been onto his schtick. The other son and Willy's wife were not, and they were pretty sad at the fact that none of the people who Willy said "liked" him showed up to pay their respects.
Obama's foreign policy--hell, that of the last three Democratic Presidents--has suffered from "Willy Loman disease."
Loman was at least as scatterbrained and as self-contradictory, too. Of course, liberals lurking on this thread are thinking, 'Well, at least he wants to SIT with them and ENGAGE instead of BOMBBOMBBOMBblahblahMcCokespoontoasttideturningchimperorwhiteprivilegehandsupdonttasemebro,' but they forget that even DEMOCRATS of old used to take a hard line with our adversaries. Oh well. At least Israel is run by an actual male. They'll take care of business if we don't.
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Obama has all but guaranteed the nuclear destruction of Israel, along with a good part of the US. This is, frankly, his INTENDED legacy to fundamentally transform America. I have no other words, nor any reason to assert otherwise.
Boehner, McConnell, and the other vichy Republicans all are part of this treasonous affair as well. If this country falls because of their actions, the rules of law become relative, which to me will revert back to true Constitutional intent. How that reversion is done will be very painful for such supporters.
And no, I am not an Alex Jones crazy, but I look at cause and effect from a stone cold viewpoint. And nothing can aver to the above. Obama has been the catalyst that will destroy the planet UNLESS we are VERY, VERY lucky. I would HATE to have children, or grandchildren, in this environment.
I will agree up to a point,they will likely target Tel Aviv since the dome of the rock is in Jerusalem.
No matter how crazy they are they will not destroy that although I expect Israel will might consider it in the wake of an attack.
Along with other things.
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I will agree up to a point,they will likely target Tel Aviv since the dome of the rock is in Jerusalem.
No matter how crazy they are they will not destroy that although I expect Israel will might consider it in the wake of an attack.
Along with other things.
If I were Israel, I'd have a couple of nukes designated for Mecca.
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I read an article that said we would give them 24 days notice before an inspection and would help the Iranians defend against an Israeli attack. :mental:
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Obama has all but guaranteed the nuclear destruction of Israel, along with a good part of the US. This is, frankly, his INTENDED legacy to fundamentally transform America. I have no other words, nor any reason to assert otherwise.
Boehner, McConnell, and the other vichy Republicans all are part of this treasonous affair as well. If this country falls because of their actions, the rules of law become relative, which to me will revert back to true Constitutional intent. How that reversion is done will be very painful for such supporters.
And no, I am not an Alex Jones crazy, but I look at cause and effect from a stone cold viewpoint. And nothing can aver to the above. Obama has been the catalyst that will destroy the planet UNLESS we are VERY, VERY lucky. I would HATE to have children, or grandchildren, in this environment.
obozo want to finish what Hitler started (Godwin's law be damned) -- I am sure obozo and wife just think Hitler had the right idea but just couldn't get the entire job done. No more jews=happy obozo and wife.
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I read an article that said we would give them 24 days notice before an inspection and would help the Iranians defend against an Israeli attack. :mental:
And when we show up (yeah, that'll happen) they hem and haw and ask for another 2 weeks while they turn the nuclear bomb plant to a baby food factory.
I PRAY Congress can stop this attempt to kill not only Israel but us here in the USA.
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If I were Israel, I'd have a couple of nukes designated for Mecca.
BINGO
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If I were Israel, I'd have a couple of nukes designated for Mecca.
I saw a headline on Drudge that said words to this effect:
ISRAELSAUDIALLIANCE
I think that the Saudis feel that as long as they don't make any hostile moves towards Israel, Israel will join with the Saudis against their common enemy in Tehran.
For that reason, it would be bad 'form' to nuke Mecca.
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I saw a headline on Drudge that said words to this effect:
I think that the Saudis feel that as long as they don't make any hostile moves towards Israel, Israel will join with the Saudis against their common enemy in Tehran.
For that reason, it would be bad 'form' to nuke Mecca.
They could still have Mecca in their sites just in case Iran does the worst.
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I saw a headline on Drudge that said words to this effect:
I think that the Saudis feel that as long as they don't make any hostile moves towards Israel, Israel will join with the Saudis against their common enemy in Tehran.
For that reason, it would be bad 'form' to nuke Mecca.
I don`t know,despite the Sunni/Shiite divide in the geopolitical world I am not sure hatred for Israel is not shared alike between the factions.
It could be a unifying event.
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I tried my best to figure out WHY Obama would SELL America to Iran.
The ONLY thing I can come up with; ..when Obama leaves office in January 2017 he will pack up and move to Iran. There he will be anointed the next Ayatollah (part of the deal), "Ayatollah Obama" and live with his mistress, Valerie June Bowman Jarrett. He can then launch the ICBM's he is helping Iran obtain and finally destroy America completely.
You all might think I'm just a little "wacko" but WHY ELSE would he do such a thing ????????