big_dog (2,946 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141116335
Spokane, Washington NAACP Branch Stands Behind President Rachel Dolezal
yallerdawg (1,679 posts)
3. What a beautiful response. Racial identity- not race!
LovingA2andMI (1,272 posts)
5. Sad....They need to get Rachel help and treatment. Until she claims her race, there is a problem. Rachel can have an affinity with the African-American community and even possibly continue serving as NAACP President in Spokane, Washington but, she cannot claim she is something culturally that she is not.
LovingA2andMI (1,272 posts)
10. Yes...
Her parents adopted four African-American children and she was raised with them but, she's not the only person raised with children of a different race.
Yet, amazingly, not only did she decide to have a deep connection to her siblings (that's understandable of course) -- but take it a big step further and claim their race.
Wonder how her Siblings feel about that?
Also, Rachel removed herself from the family, news reports cite. So, if she cared as deeply about her adopted Brothers and Sisters, it would seem as if she would have kept the connections with them, even if she denied a relationship with her parents, correct?
Rachel was living a "ruse" plain and simple.
Last point, while attending Howard University - an highly respected, historically African-American institution of Higher Learning - Rachel received a scholarship -- yet had no problems then identifying as Caucasian.
Heck, she married a African-American Man without the "hair" and "tanning" ruse -- and her parents along with her adopted siblings attended the wedding (there's a photo to prove this by the way).
cosmicone (7,291 posts)
17. What difference would the DNA make?
As long as she is working to further the goals of the NAACP and doing a good job at it, her race is irrelevant and immaterial.
There is no difference between a qualified candidate being denied a job because he/she is white or because he/she is black.
Good for the NAACP to stand up for her.
SunSeeker (11,142 posts)
9. Wow. I can't imagine parents intentionally publicly humiliating their child like that.
I can see why she wants nothing to do with the ethnic identity of her birth.
LovingA2andMI (1,272 posts)
13. Who else could technically....
Out her "Ruse" besides her parents? Who's to say that the Local Media (which they can do, since Birth Certificates are PUBLIC RECORDS) obtained the public record of Rachel's birth and confronted the parents with it? What should have parents have done in this case, continue to lie or deny what they knew was true for Rachel's sake?
Then there is the "Hate Mail" issue which likely started the local media's investigation of Rachel's background in the first place....
SPOKANE, Wash. -
A police report raises questions about reports of threatening hate mail sent to Spokane's NAACP president. Major Crimes detectives have concluded that the mail was never processed, despite showing up in the organization's post office box.
Rachel Dolezal, president of Spokane's NAACP chapter, said she found an envelope containing threatening mail in the post office box on North Monroe in February. The 20 pages of notes included pictures and lynchings and words like "war pig."
"I was immediately struck by guns pointed towards me," Dolezal told KXLY of the pictures in February.
Spokane Police took possession of the envelope and dusted for fingerprints. Investigators then went back to the Rosewood post office where the NAACP gets its mail in a locked box.
Postal workers told detectives the envelope had not been canceled, time stamped or imprinted with the bar code that directs mail to the right destination. According to the police report, the postal inspector told detectives, "The only way this letter could have ended up in this P.O. box would be if it was placed there by someone with a key to that box or a USPS employee."
Police then interviewed the three postal employees who put mail in post office boxes and none of them remember seeing the envelope. They all said they've never seen mail end up in a box without the barcode. All three said, at the very least, they would have canceled the stamps.
The detective wrote, "I have no reason to believe any of these employees were involved in putting the letters in this post office box."
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/questions-raised-about-naacp-hate-mail-report/33512308
LisaL (25,933 posts)
20. Her not wanting anything to do with her ethnic identity isn't going to change that identity.
She identified somebody as her father who apparently isn't. Can you imagine doing that to your parents?
"Earlier this week, KXLY4 asked Dolezal about a photo posted to the NAACP chapter’s Facebook page of a black man identified as Dolezal’s father."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/12/spokane-naacp-president-rachel-dolezal-may-be-white/
SunSeeker (11,142 posts)
21. Why not? If you can change your sex, why not your ethnic identity?
And yes, I can imagine calling someone else my dad. With what my dad did to me, I have often wished someone else was my dad.
Not clear what went wrong with that family, but it is obviously dysfunctional. No reason to pile on.
LisaL (25,933 posts)
22. So I see. She is transracial?
The future of the NAACP:Tragic.
So ... cultural appropriation is OK?It is as long as it moves progressive interests forward. After all, if you can't lie to the stupid, who else are you going to bring into your camp?
Even when done through lying and deception?
When the "right" sort of posers and appropriators do it?
Got it! Cultural Appropriation is just another meaningless epithet for those who dare disagree with you or you otherwise hate. Kind of the the 90s Tolerance Game.
Response to big_dog (Original post)Fri Jun 12, 2015, 03:26 PMShe's as full of shit as Elizabeth "Liawatha" Warren.
Star Member LovingA2andMI (1,272 posts)
5. Sad....
They need to get Rachel help and treatment. Until she claims her race, there is a problem. Rachel can have an affinity with the African-American community and even possibly continue serving as NAACP President in Spokane, Washington but, she cannot claim she is something culturally that she is not.
Also, the NAACP have indeed initially made poor decisions before, they had to walk back....
While all three broadcast networks hailed Bruce Jenner for choosing to switch genders and become Caitlyn Jenner just one week ago
– devoting 48 minutes to the story in three days
– on Friday, those same networks were aghast that Spokane, Washington NAACP leader Rachel Dolezal had chosen to identify herself as black despite being white.
On the June 2 Today, co-host Savannah Guthrie gushed over Bruce Jenner coming out as transgender:
“You almost get the sense that Caitlyn [Jenner] is euphoric to be free.â€
In sharp contrast, she led Friday’s program with a very different attitude toward Dolezal:
“Who are you? A prominent NAACP leader under fire, accused by her own family of lying about being black...â€
On June 2, CBS This Morning co-host Norah O’Donnell proclaimed:
“The world is getting to know Caitlyn Jenner this morning....Michelle Miller shows us how Jenner’s public transition marks an important cultural milestone for the transgender community.â€
On Friday, fellow co-host Gayle King said of Dolezal:
“A civil rights leader in Washington state is embroiled in a bizarre race controversy.
This morning the woman who leads the Spokane chapter of the NAACP is being accused of falsely portraying herself as black.â€
ABC’s Good Morning America on June 2 began with co-host Robin Roberts hailing:
“‘I'm free.’
Caitlyn Jenner stepping out for the first time.
New details on the successful transition of the Olympic champion.â€
However, in a news brief on Friday, anchor Amy Robach declared:
“And a controversy in Washington State involving the head of a local NAACP, accused of misrepresenting her race.
Rachel Dolezal claims she's African-American but her family says she was born to white parents and has been lying about her race for years.â€
None of the network hosts or reporters ever described Jr’s decision as “bizarre†or suggested he was “lying†about his gender or “misrepresenting†himself as a woman, but when it came to Dolezal being dishonest about her race, the press jumped on the story as a “controversy†and a scandal.
Friday’s Today and This Morning each offered full 3-minute reports on Dolezal.
Both morning shows highlighted Dolezal’s white parents revealing their daughter’s lie.
On Today, a soundbite ran of mother Ruthanne Dolezal:
“She wants to recreate reality.
She wants to just invent it herself....She knows it's false.
But I think she’s told herself, as well as she’s told others, this erroneous identity of hers enough that by now she may believe it more than she believes the truth.â€
Correspondent Sheinelle Jones even touted social media criticism:
“The story quickly went viral, trending worldwide on Twitter overnight, many asking for Dolezal to be removed from her job, saying, ‘Don't talk to me about how #RachelDolezal understood/knew the black struggle when she could pick & choose when to be ‘black.’â€
On This Morning, Ruthanne Dolezal explained:
“Our daughter is primarily German and Czech and of European descent....Rachel has wanted to be someone she’s not.
She’s chosen not to just be herself, but to represent herself as an African-American woman or a biracial person.â€
Apparently in the eyes of media, one can choose to change a physical characteristic as long as it’s acceptable to liberal sensibilities.
She's as full of shit as Elizabeth "Liawatha" Warren.
This idiot bitch is no different from Jenner.
For any number of reasons they have a something inside of them they cannot express. The coping mechanism is to take on an identity that is outside of what they were born with so that the absence of that identity becomes the reason for their sense of unease.
Proglodytes leap on this shit for transgenders because it allows them to stick their thumbs in the eyes of Christians but this bitch is intruding on their privileged territory of race.
This story is perfect because it lays bare every foundation of their bullshit and hypocrisy
Please amputate this leg: it's not mine
But there do appear to be a small number of people who feel incomplete with all four limbs. It's difficult for most of us to relate to a notion like this. Your sense of self, like mine, is probably tied to a body that has its entire complement of limbs. When asked to describe his leg, David said, "It feels like my soul doesn't extend into it."
It's a slippery slope. It doesn't end with people thinking that they were born the wrong gender or the wrong race--there are people out there that think that their arms or legs don't belong on their bodies and they are getting their perfectly healthy limbs amputated.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/nov/14/please-amputate-this-leg
She's a real life Navin Johnson.
(http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac32/gobucksnumbers/navin_zps5ryxr5mv.jpg)
What was his dog's name again ?
LovingA2andMI (1,272 posts)
13. Who else could technically....
Out her "Ruse" besides her parents? Who's to say that the Local Media (which they can do, since Birth Certificates are PUBLIC RECORDS) obtained the public record of Rachel's birth and confronted the parents with it?
LisaL (25,933 posts)
22. So I see. She is transracial?
I guess they're okay with being lied to as long it furthers their goal. They've been voting Democrat for decades, so I assume they're used to it.
yallerdawg (1,679 posts)
3. What a beautiful response. Racial identity- not race!
"Liawatha" >>>> H-5!
Worth noting: Many of the Proglodytes are hateful towards this idiot and are quite vocal about it.
Please remember this started over a fraudulent claim of racism. It was a case of fake hate intended to generate real hate against whites.
But whites didn't send her hate mail.
But now the people in her targeted audience actually do hate her.
Not for her fraudulent call to hatred...
...but for trying to be an object of hatred (that doesn't exist).
They're mad because she wants to be part.of.their sacred group.
Worth noting: Many of the Proglodytes are hateful towards this idiot and are quite vocal about it.Was the claim the result of the supposed hate mail sent to the NAACP? If so, and if she is the one who sent it, could she be charged with a hate crime?
Please remember this started over a fraudulent claim of racism. It was a case of fake hate intended to generate real hate against whites.
But whites didn't send her hate mail.
But now the people in her targeted audience actually do hate her.
Not for her fraudulent call to hatred...
...but for trying to be an object of hatred (that doesn't exist).
They're mad because she wants to be part.of.their sacred group.
SunSeeker (11,142 posts)Yeah, it is the family that is dyfunctional. ::)
21. Why not? If you can change your sex, why not your ethnic identity?
And yes, I can imagine calling someone else my dad. With what my dad did to me, I have often wished someone else was my dad.
Not clear what went wrong with that family, but it is obviously dysfunctional. No reason to pile on.
SunSeeker (11,142 posts)
21. ... And yes, I can imagine calling someone else my dad. With what my dad did to me, I have often wished someone else was my dad.
Not clear what went wrong with that family, but it is obviously dysfunctional. No reason to pile on.
Interesting bit of sleight-of-word. SS jumped from "I can imagine" to "what went wrong with that family". The first is a valid point. Maybe she was abused by her Dad. Not a certainty, not (statistically) a likelihood, but a possibility worth considering. But with the second phrase he assumes that the problem is with her Dad or her parents, pushing aside the most likely possibilities that either she is an intentional fraud or she has mental "issues".
IF SS really was abused by his father, he should still realize that that is uncommon, not typical.
Primitive 'abuse': Dad demanded that he stop drinking Mom's Massengill straight from the bottle and stop masturbating with his kid sister's panties; and finally kicked him out of the basement when he got caught giving the family dog a reacharound.
What's a 30 year old supposed to do, anyway, be responsible?