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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: thundley4 on June 03, 2015, 11:41:13 PM
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Star Member byronius (3,326 posts) Wed Jun 3, 2015, 10:23 PM
Estimations of the percentage of conservatives who would support a return to human slavery?
Openly or tacitly, race issues aside -- assume that they do not initiate the return to the practice, but are confronted with it as a fait accompli. How many would accept or embrace it, and how many would disapprove or initiate a fight against it?
I'm thinking high twenties would be just fine with it as long as the new slaves do not look like or are unknown to them.
We're dragging the fourteenth century with us into the future. It's a lot of work, all that dead weight. We know this. Abject cruelty, murder, and torture are attractive to the conservative primate subconscious, and only thin custom and law prevent it from being writ large. Quite a few conservative religious leaders have suggested the Bible supports the practice.
'Fury Road' is their dream world. They fantasize that somehow they will be on top, not the bottom.
High twenties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026776000
RKP5637 (34,684 posts)
2. I think there are a fair number that would support it. There is a very fine line between
civilization and barbarianism. I do think it could be in the high twenties, maybe even higher. Many are already treated as slaves in this country through financial indebtedness and low paying jobs with no future, and no way to escape the financial slavery to this rigged trickle down capitalistic system.
peecoolyour (284 posts)
3. Conservative estimate: 15%. nt
bravenak (12,623 posts)
4. Agreed. Low estimate
Not much there, yet. The truth is the DUmmies espouse desires for slavery more often than conservatives do. They are the ones demanding that others work to provide them with free shit. That is the very definition of slavery.
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These idiots don't know a thing about conservatism... Or history for that matter. I've never seen dumber people.
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These idiots don't know a thing about conservatism... Or history for that matter. I've never seen dumber people.
One of the keys to victory is to know your enemy. We know them, but like you said they have no clue about us.
and that is how their masters want them to be: ignorant, easily enraged with violent hearts. DUmmies are the expendable masses to be used and tossed away. useful idiots, every regime needs a few.
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Most slaves these days are owned by muslims.
Democrats love muslims.
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Most slaves these days are owned by muslims.
Democrats love muslims.
You're forgetting the ones kept on the DNC plantation ghettos across the country. Every so often they let them riot and loot their neighborhoods to make them feel good.
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These idiots don't know a thing about conservatism... Or history for that matter. I've never seen dumber people.
I used to ask, "Where do the Dummies come up with this shit?" and honestly expect an answer.
Then I realized that no rational man can answer the question. Only a DUmmy knows the answer, and the only way for me to learn it was to become insane, in a Lovecraftian way. Completely bugshit moonbat take-away-my-shoelaces crazy.
Now, I ask "Where do the Dummies come up with this shit?" as a koan, to test that I have not looked too long into the abyss of Skins' Island.
So far, so good.
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I wouldn't own a DUmmy. They're filthy, useless animals that expect to be fed and housed for minimal or no effort on their own.
It's a shame they're not edible. If they were, we could just shoot them all and harvest the meat.
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I wouldn't own a DUmmy. They're filthy, useless animals that expect to be fed and housed for minimal or no effort on their own.
It's a shame they're not edible. If they were, we could just shoot them all and harvest the meat.
DUmmies are rancid, like sun-cured possum meat. If you saw one on all fours, you'd swear it was a chupacabra.
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Weird. The Dummies are the party of slavery.
And the Dummies make excuses for modern-slave traders... aka the Muzzies.
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First, we don't want to because you would still be useless idiots.
Second, if we ever did decide to there is nothing you useless idiots could do to stop us.
However, it may be possible to harvest you for your natural oils.
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Let's see. Slavery, to me, is a state of servitude to a single master, and that servitude is expected, if not demanded, regardless of the reasonableness, humanity, and intelligence of the sundry duties which characterize bondage.
Slavery exists when one is required to perform, act, think, and indeed exist under a set of rules, expectations, and institutions that are exclusively of the slavemaster's design. While enthusiasm for the master's plan isn't compulsory, it certainly helps it all go down better. Slavery is also characterized by the extreme consequences of open dissent or attempted escape.
Under that admittedly broad definition, liberals are already enslaved, but the slavemaster currently occupies the White House, and the DUmmies are furiously planning for the coronation of their next slavemaster.
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They're so cute when they pretend to know how we think.
Bless their little revisionist history hearts.
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Most slaves these days are owned by muslims.
Democrats love muslims.
I was thinking the same thing.
Since history has been kept to present day there has been and is human slavery.
Maybe in the lib OP's mind he imagines that all conservatives want to go back to the pre civil war days, and all have our own plantations where all the domestics are slaves.
Of course any other workers who would otherwise be employees of all of us conservative plantation owners would be slaves too.
And that of course wouldn't work very well, because all the conservative plantation owners would follow their productive natures and get out and create, not sit around all day sipping mint juleps like the libs imagine.
And then since there would be no conservatives left over from being plantation owners to be the worker bees, you would have libs filling those roles, and well...we all know the lib work ethic.
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Disgusting, libelous vermin. All they have are stereotypes and straw men, with no knowledge of what conservatives believe, of the fact that a Republican president signed the Emancipation Proclamation, or anything remotely relevant.
" Quite a few conservative religious leaders have suggested the Bible supports the practice."
The Bible acknowledges that slavery existed. That doesn't mean it supports the practice.
Not much there, yet. The truth is the DUmmies espouse desires for slavery more often than conservatives do. They are the ones demanding that others work to provide them with free shit. That is the very definition of slavery.
Good call.
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They're so cute when they pretend to know how we think.
Bless their little revisionist history hearts.
It's hard to take a thread trying for DU-Forum-Cred, like this one, seriously, and one should not.
If DU folk took slavery seriously, they could see it up close and personal in any number of Muslim countries, or in countries like Thailand or India, where sex slavery is out of control (I wonder, maybe a DU member or two has visited ...).
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Hey DUmbasses. You want to know what the percentage of those who want to return to slavery? Just look at the Empty Suit's approval rating and you'll have your answer.
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" Quite a few conservative religious leaders have suggested the Bible supports the practice."
It's in the realm of exotic religious arcana, but there is a tiny sliver of truth in this:
"Quite a few conservative religious leaders" - The phrase, "Quite a few" is false. "A very very few" would be accurate, but would disprove the DU member's point. Some influential teachers among Christian Reconstructionists (the folks Libs and Progs call "Dominionists") do advocate slavery of limited term for a few purposes (more on this shortly). Christian Reconstructionists are very few in number. Probably a small minority of Evangelicals and other theologically conservative Christians have even heard of Christian Reconstructionists.
"(T)he Bible supports the practice" - No, not chattel slavery. Those Christian Reconstructionists that do support a return to "slavery" envision something very different from what DU-folk fantasize to be their meaning. Such teachers advocate temporary "slavery", what used to be called indentured servitude", for a term of several years, not life-long. And the purposes they envision would be very narrow, and very specific: an alternative to bankruptcy; restitution for theft. And those who go that route - voluntarily, BTW - as an alternative to bankruptcy would live at the master's expense (housing and food), and at the end of their term would receive wages earned during their term as a restart of a new life. I'm not advocating this or saying it's practical, just pointing out these DU-folks' ignorance by explaining what they are misrepresenting.
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Excellent points, all.
Free shit = Slavery by someone else. 100% of Democraticks like this.
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I've concluded that libs were born to be ruled. They don't understand the concept of freedom and will always look for a master.
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One of the keys to victory is to know your enemy. We know them, but like you said they have no clue about us.
and that is how their masters want them to be: ignorant, easily enraged with violent hearts. DUmmies are the expendable masses to be used and tossed away. useful idiots, every regime needs a few.
You are right about that. I thought they were just obstinate, but really they're just stupid. That revolution they dream of will put the useless eaters against the wall first.
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Oh, how cute. (D)Ullards sitting around eating their own poo.
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Response to byronius (Original post)Thu Jun 4, 2015, 04:42 AM
Donald Ian Rankin (12,440 posts)
10. Less than 1, of course.
This kind of silliness just proves the danger of spending too much time in echo chambers.
Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #10)Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:52 AM
Star Member byronius (3,328 posts)
11. Uhhh-huh.
Do you know any conservatives, or is it just hopeful scorn there?
I stand by my estimate. Dominance is the primary philosophical underpinning of the ideology -- quasi-religious Darwinism. Slavery fits. Certainly for the more libertarian conservative. I've heard several state it quite plainly -- most of the ones I know.
Byronius is standing by the high twenties figure that it pulled out of its ass.
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ObamaCare is slavery and the DUmmies are all for it.
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brony-us
11. Uhhh-huh.
Do you know any conservatives, or is it just hopeful scorn there?
I stand by my estimate. Dominance is the primary philosophical underpinning of the ideology -- quasi-religious Darwinism. Slavery fits. Certainly for the more libertarian conservative. I've heard several state it quite plainly -- most of the ones I know.
Quasi-religious Darwinism? Libertarian leaning conservatives want to keep slaves? And people actually say this to you?
Bitch, please. "Libertarian" is the antithesis of "wanting to keep slaves". "Liberty" is part of our name, for ****'s face.
Zero bongs for you.
It's time for the koan, "What makes DUmmies so ****ing stupid?"
Buzz, you can tell us. Is the DU the Party's hiding place for morons and the mentally ill, or do they become morons and mentally ill from their time on the DU? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?
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Wait, didn't Pam Dawson BRAG that a young black child said she would be a "good slave owner"? Sounds like Pam is in favor...
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Quasi-religious Darwinism? Libertarian leaning conservatives want to keep slaves? And people actually say this to you?
Bitch, please. "Libertarian" is the antithesis of "wanting to keep slaves". "Liberty" is part of our name, for ****'s face.
Zero bongs for you.
It's time for the koan, "What makes DUmmies so ****ing stupid?"
Buzz, you can tell us. Is the DU the Party's hiding place for morons and the mentally ill, or do they become morons and mentally ill from their time on the DU? Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?
Post of the day.
A thing of beauty.
Which comes first...haah.
As if Buzzy would know, or even deign to answer.
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Response to byronius (Original post)Thu Jun 4, 2015, 04:42 AM
Donald Ian Rankin (12,440 posts)
10. Less than 1, of course.
This kind of silliness just proves the danger of spending too much time in echo chambers.
Yeeee-ouchhhh! Arrow straight to the heart! Is DIR genuine DU-folk and a bit too perceptive and honest for his own good? Or a Truth-Troll?
Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #10)Thu Jun 4, 2015, 10:52 AM
Star Member byronius (3,328 posts)
11. Uhhh-huh.
Do you know any conservatives, or is it just hopeful scorn there?
I stand by my estimate. Dominance is the primary philosophical underpinning of the ideology -- quasi-religious Darwinism. Slavery fits. Certainly for the more libertarian conservative. I've heard several state it quite plainly -- most of the ones I know.
Ummmm ... Social Darwinism (to use the old term for it) was/is a Progressive worldview/philosophy, a logical branch of Darwinism that Darwin himself seems to have posited in Descent of Man. And as BD pointed out, slavery is antithetical to libertarianism (unless Bronies-R-Us is using the socialist equivocation, "wage slavery").
I travel in Evangelical Christian circles, where people range from somewhat liberal to very conservative and very libertarian. I have never known a single person - in the over 5 decades I can remember - advocate slavery. As I posted above, at least some Christian Reconstructionists do advocate a form of slavery that really would be what was called indentured servitude. I read that idea in a book by a Christian Reconstructionist, but do not know nor have met the author. Contrary to the bogeyman image of such folks held by many/most Libs and Progs, they are very few. One would almost have to know where to look to find any.
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Response to byronius (Reply #11)
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:52 AM
Star Member former9thward (14,664 posts)
16. How many liberals were apologists for the economic slavery in the 1930s Soviet Union?
Quite a few. Probably at least 20%. I can remember in the late 70s articles in liberal publications saying the stories about the forced slavery and massacres in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge were "right wing lies". Ahh, no they weren't.
Nobody replied to this.
Another one said that the conservatives he knew took liberty very very seriously, so they would probably take up arms against it.
All the others were ****ing retards.
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I just took a poll of my household, which consists of one foaming at the mouth freeper gun nut and one Bush-McCain-Romney party-line voter.
100% of us would be opposed to slavery.
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These people are ****ing ridiculous!
Cindie
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These people are ****ing ridiculous!
Cindie
Sadly, that isn't new news. The DUmp just continues to plow new ridiculous ground.
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Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:52 AM
Star Member former9thward (14,664 posts)
16. How many liberals were apologists for the economic slavery in the 1930s Soviet Union?
Quite a few. Probably at least 20%. I can remember in the late 70s articles in liberal publications saying the stories about the forced slavery and massacres in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge were "right wing lies". Ahh, no they weren't.
Either f9w was being too kind, posted in a hurry, or was hoping some DU-person would be dumb enough to challenge him. IOW, he could have said a lot more.
He could have mentioned NYT "reporter" Walter Duranty, served Stalin by denying the famine in the Ukraine that killed 5 or 10 million people. Duranty and the NYT received Pulitzer Prizes for those reports. While the NYT acknowledges that his reports were, "some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper," I don't think the NYT has yet acknowledged that Duranty was a propagandist for Stalin, nor returned their Pulitzer Prize.
He could have mentioned Sidney and Beatrice Webb, worshipful propagandists for Stalin.
He could have mentioned FDR's second VP, Henry Wallace, who did a propaganda tour of Siberia while VP of the US.
As for lib pundits denying Cambodia's Killing Fields and labor camps, the same was done some 50 years earlier, when men who escaped from the prototype Gulag in the Solovetsky Islands and published accounts of what was being done there. And many Libs/Progs to this day hate Robert Conquest and A. I. Solzhenitsyn, despite their writings about the brutality of Lenin and Stalin having been confirmed and vindicated.
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Either f9w was being too kind, posted in a hurry, or was hoping some DU-person would be dumb enough to challenge him. IOW, he could have said a lot more.
He could have mentioned NYT "reporter" Walter Duranty, served Stalin by denying the famine in the Ukraine that killed 5 or 10 million people. Duranty and the NYT received Pulitzer Prizes for those reports. While the NYT acknowledges that his reports were, "some of the worst reporting to appear in this newspaper," I don't think the NYT has yet acknowledged that Duranty was a propagandist for Stalin, nor returned their Pulitzer Prize.
He could have mentioned Sidney and Beatrice Webb, worshipful propagandists for Stalin.
He could have mentioned FDR's second VP, Henry Wallace, who did a propaganda tour of Siberia while VP of the US.
As for lib pundits denying Cambodia's Killing Fields and labor camps, the same was done some 50 years earlier, when men who escaped from the prototype Gulag in the Solovetsky Islands and published accounts of what was being done there. And many Libs/Progs to this day hate Robert Conquest and A. I. Solzhenitsyn, despite their writings about the brutality of Lenin and Stalin having been confirmed and vindicated.
It takes supremely talented and courageous men like Solzhenitsyn to break through the propaganda and the apologists to make the world aware of evils like every brand of communism.
Thank God for people like him setting the record straight.
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Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:52 AM
Star Member former9thward (14,664 posts)
16. How many liberals were apologists for the economic slavery in the 1930s Soviet Union?
Quite a few. Probably at least 20%. I can remember in the late 70s articles in liberal publications saying the stories about the forced slavery and massacres in Cambodia by the Khmer Rouge were "right wing lies". Ahh, no they weren't.
What do you mean "were"?
You DUmmies still make excuses for the Communist/Socialist/Marxist way of life and long for our country to adopt the same style of Government.
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What do you mean "were"?
You DUmmies still make excuses for the Communist/Socialist/Marxist way of life and long for our country to adopt the same style of Government.
Well, f9w was speaking specifically of, "the economic slavery in the 1930s Soviet Union". Defending Stalin became less and less common after Khrushchev's 1956 speech, as more and more info trickled out. But the popularity of monsters like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao seem to get a second diseased life as the survivors of their horrors die off. So I would not be entirely surprised if Stalin starts becoming popular among some leftists in the next decade or so.
As you said, most leftists reflexively defend Communist-socialist states. Whether the USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia, Ethiopia, Sudan, or Zimbabwe, their monstrosities have to become so very publicly obvious that denials become laughable for leftist defenders to cease. Will Venezuela or Bolivia or Brazil or Argentina be the next center of atrocities? Or have their socialist governments not yet attained the degree of control necessary for them to feel secure enough to act monstrously?