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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 29, 2015, 01:03:09 AM
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HoosierCowboy (471 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172167266
Could what happened in Waco....be considered Terrorism?
Obvious mole asks obvious mole question.
Let's see... two outlaw biker gangs meet up at a saloon and get into a gunfight with each other...
Sure... it must be right-wing nut terrorism.
AtheistCrusader (26,592 posts)
3. Under some elements of bush era surveillance and criminal Law, I believe the answer is yes.
The keystone pipeline protestors faced counterterrorism surveillance, for instance.
could the riots in DETRIOT/CLEVELAND/CHICAGO/ST.LUIS/DC be considered racismterrorism?
Yes No. PoC can never be guilty of racism crime terrorism.
spin (16,568 posts)
18. I recently reread "Nineteen Eighty-Four" and I did see a lot of similarities between ...
the novel and the world we live in today.
I wasn't really aware of Orwell's opinions on gun control, so I did some quick research.
That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there." -- George Orwell
I realize that today's Democratic Party favors strong if not draconian gun control. However I am an elderly gun owning Democrat who comes from a long line of gun owning Democrats who worked in the iron and steel mills in Pennsylvania.
It sometimes feels to me that the world has turned upside down. It seems more logical to me that the Republican Party "the party of the rich" would be pushing for gun control as the 1% have good reason to fear an uprising when the lower classes finally decides they have had enough.
It might surprise some but Richard Nixon was a strong supporter of gun control.
Richard Nixon Gun Control: Former President Wanted Total Ban On Handguns, Records Show
AP | By FREDERIC J. FROMMER
Posted: 03/11/2013 6:38 am EDT Updated: 05/11/2013 5:12 am EDT
WASHINGTON -- Few presidents in modern times have been as interested in gun control as Richard Nixon, of all people. He proposed ridding the market of Saturday night specials, contemplated banning handguns altogether and refused to pander to gun owners by feigning interest in their weapons.
Several previously unreported Oval Office recordings and White House memos from the Nixon years show a conservative president who at times appeared willing to take on the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun lobby then as now, even as his aides worried about the political ramifications.
"I don't know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house," Nixon said in a taped conversation with aides. "The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth." He asked why "can't we go after handguns, period?"
Nixon went on: "I know the rifle association will be against it, the gun makers will be against it." But "people should not have handguns." He laced his comments with obscenities, as was typical.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/richard-nixon-gun-control_n_2851660.html
So I have to admit that I agree with Orwell and in my opinion, the Second Amendment does help guarantee to a degree that we will never have a Big Brother government as Orwell portrayed in Nineteen Eighty-Four.
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Eleanors38 (11,275 posts)
7. Apparently, these gangs use extortion regularly, even against other bikers who choose to ride together and show colors and insignia of Any sort: You pay the Council of Clubs a monthly "tax" ro ride and show approved colors. Or face physical attack. This from NPR's "On Point" this morning. So that form of terrorism is institutionalized in the gangs. Apparently the gangs are not only international (esp. The Banditos), but are growing as they pick up ever more vets -- WW II, Korea, Vietnam, and now the Mideast Wars.
clffrdjk (830 posts)
12. maybe, too early to tell.
:loser:
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Maybe he's talking about Janet Reno and the BATF burning alive that bunch of religious nuts and their kids.
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White House memos from the Nixon years show a conservative president
..and BOOM goes the stupid. Nixon was a tried and true California LIbEral.
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:thatsright: :loser: Trying to verbally pretzellate an event into something it clearly is not illumines the "intelligence" of the pretzellater, not the event. :loser: :thatsright: :loser: But I guess that's about on par for a place that tries to elevate rioting looters and arsonists into something noble. :loser: :thatsright:
Waco 2015 was "just" a rumble in a turf war.
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Obvious mole asks obvious mole question.
Let's see... two outlaw biker gangs meet up at a saloon and get into a gunfight with each other...
Sure... it must be right-wing nut terrorism.
If that's the case...the OK Corral gunfight was a terrorist attack too.
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What he said:
Could what happened in Waco....be considered Terrorism?
What he really meant:
Could what happened in Waco please be considered Terrorism?
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What he said:
What he really meant:
Nailed it.
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What he said:
What he really meant:
ANYTHING to get attention away from the real people committing actual terrorist acts!
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You pay the Council of Clubs a monthly "tax" ro ride and show approved colors. Or face physical attack.
Sounds kind of like union dues to me.
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Sounds kind of like union dues to me.
Up to a point. The violence committed by unions is protected.
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Maybe he's talking about Janet Reno and the BATF burning alive that bunch of religious nuts and their kids.
And now for a pleasant interlude.
The buildup to Waco 3.
Nothing could outdo Janet and her Waco 1 for my money though.
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Eleanors38 (11,275 posts)
7. Apparently, these gangs use extortion regularly, even against other bikers who choose to ride together and show colors and insignia of Any sort: You pay the Council of Clubs a monthly "tax" ro ride and show approved colors. Or face physical attack. This from NPR's "On Point" this morning. So that form of terrorism is institutionalized in the gangs.
Oh, so they're just like unions, then? I guess all the good Democrats can move along to bitching about the lack of infrastructure and jobs bills under a Republican Congress, after the Democrat Congress ignored them completely for six years.