Sat May 23, 2015, 09:09 PM
leftofcool (9,109 posts)
OMG! I have been mentioned on Discussionist!
Not as many times as Will Pitt or Brooklynite but I did get a nasty mention (something about "hot air') Is there a prize????????????
Response to onehandle (Reply #3)
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:24 PM
The Straight Story (47,904 posts)
7. What they have done is
Create a site they don't interact with or care about and left it to whomever comes along.
Much like it seems they are aiming for here.
If DU folks want to influence that site they can sign up, post, and get involved in the jury pools and run it how they think a site should be run.
Some of us have done so, but the right wing has better success at forming the site how they want it. Du has way more than enough people to sign up, post, and change the landscape of it. But they don't want to.
So not sure why folks complain so much about it, no one is keeping folks here from getting involved in it.
Perhaps, in the end, it was a social experiment. Give people the ability to run a site, see who takes advantage of it, and sit back and watch. DU'ers like a quasi moderated site, and then complain about the moderation. And when not upset over that complain about the juries - which work slightly better here than there (but not by much).
My take: Sites like Di with no moderation are just plain lazy. Look at really well done sites, like reddit, where you have a healthy mix of moderation on a large scale and small.
The owners of both sites don't want to be involved (look at ask the admins). Di had potential but it was abandoned by both the admins and people here who couldn't stomach views contrary to theirs (not talking about the trolling style posts).
Response to leftofcool (Original post)
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:18 PM
Star Member bravenak (12,340 posts)
4. I'm pissed that nobody mentioned me.
You guys have all the fun!!
Response to leftofcool (Original post)
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:31 PM
Star Member NYC_SKP (68,221 posts)
10. Until you've been on the top ten Dummies list, you're bush league!
Work harder!
The Straight Story (47,904 posts)
leftofcool (9,109 posts)
Response to leftofcool (Original post)
Sat May 23, 2015, 09:31 PM
Star Member NYC_SKP (68,221 posts)
10. Until you've been on the top ten Dummies list, you're bush league!
Work harder!
I wonder if Straight Story realizes the "Admins" he/she are bashing is Skinner Earl G and Elad?(My recollection is Straight Story is a she; I could be wrong.) Actually, I found her analysis of Discussionist (Di) to be dead on:
Also by referring to DU Jr as a less than quality site it's also a backhanded slap at DU as well since they both run off the same software.I don't think she was criticizing the software...
(My recollection is Straight Story is a she; I could be wrong.) Actually, I found her analysis of Discussionist (Di) to be dead on:
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I don't think she was criticizing the software...
As usual, you're wrong. It's a he. His wife DUmped him after she got sick. This was pre gofundme else he would have bled DU dry trying to get back to Ohio and sponge off of his Dad.
I remember something about wanting to jump from an airplane. Can't remember the details.
It's all in the dossiers. Why don't you try reading them?
Buzz doesn't have enough posts to see the good stuff.
Buzz doesn't have enough posts to see the good stuff.
I know that. :naughty:
I figured!
I am taunting him, with a treat that is out of his reach.
The DUmmies know that we have secret files on many of them. They just don't know where we keep em.
(My recollection is Straight Story is a she; I could be wrong.) Actually, I found her analysis of Discussionist (Di) to be dead on:I have no idea if Skinner et al. ever visit Di or have any real admin authority (i.e., the listed admins), but her criticism of Skinner et al is also on the money. It's fairly typical for admins of a board with a specific purpose to create a spin-off board for conversations not welcome at the original. And, the admins of the original immediately hand over the reigns to someone else. The spin-off board is the ugly stepchild of the original that is neglected and left to find its own way.
- Most DUers cannot stomach a heated debate that challenges their views
- The Admins are totally absent and could not care less about the site
- Those on the left are being outplayed by those on the right
I don't think she was criticizing the software...
Most DUers cannot stomach a heated debate that challenges their views
Not contradicting your point, but what I've seen of DU's board SW reminds me of late 90s and very early 00s roll-your-own (RYO) discussion board SW (e.g. go visit the discussion boards at VegSource.com, which I know is RYO, written in the late 90s *).
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Not contradicting your point, but what I've seen of DU's board SW reminds me of late 90s and very early 00s roll-your-own (RYO) discussion board SW (e.g. go visit the discussion boards at VegSource.com, which I know is RYO, written in the late 90s *)...I'll defer to your knowledge on this subject. I have little trouble negotiating DU and like the ability to have subthreads (in contrast to this board which is strictly linear). The subthreads get clunky when the responses exceed about 8 -- then you cannot tell what is going on.
The parts that Skinner, Earl and Elad chose to change tell their own story. That story is around control and imposing their beliefs on their user community. All three are little authoritarian control freaks...Less control freaks than days gone by. For what ever reason, the board when into total chaos when Obama was elected. The anti-Obama threads exploded and were barely restrained. That has not changed.
DU went into total chaos in 2008 because Mr Allen decreed that any criticism of the President elect would lead to tombstones. That and there was a general purge of Hillary supporters that still posted there in order to silence dissent.That was not my experience. Before the general election, there was a mass exodus of bitter, pouting Hillary supporters who return en masse in 2009 to blast Obama at every turn -- with no repercussions.
...there was a general purge of Hillary supporters that still posted there in order to silence dissent.That is is not consistent with my recollection, beyond the normal banning for horrid behavior. And, considering that Skinner has been bought and paid for by Hillary Clinton, it seems even more unlikely that DU had a purge of Hillary supporters.
I wonder if Straight Story realizes the "Admins" he/she are bashing is Skinner Earl G and Elad? Also by referring to DU Jr as a less than quality site it's also a backhanded slap at DU as well since they both run off the same software.
Plus, as it needs mentioned, we're not the only ones.
I imagine the NSA, CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Homeland Security, ATF, MI5, FSB, Mossad, Savak, BND, DGSE, MSS, AISE, CISEN, and even the Knights of Malta, keep their eyes on Skippy, for example.
And we're rank amateurs when compared with these professionals.
Not contradicting your point, but what I've seen of DU's board SW reminds me of late 90s and very early 00s roll-your-own (RYO) discussion board SW (e.g. go visit the discussion boards at VegSource.com, which I know is RYO, written in the late 90s *). I realize the DU was created toward the end of that timeframe, but by then UBB (Infopop) was readily available, as was vBulletin, a re-write of UBB by Jelsoft. Using vBulletin from the beginning of DU would have given DU an ongoing upgrade/update path; while vBulletin is not free, RYO SW costs time, makes updating the look/feel even more time consuming, and makes migrating to an industry standard SW package a total reboot.
So while TSS was clearly speaking of the people who participate at Di and DU, and to the way it is run, DU's look and feel are dinosaurian - old and clunky.
* Once upon a time - ~15 years ago - VegSource's Homeschooling forums were the busiest homeschooling discussion forums on the Internet. Literally scores or hundreds of posts a day. Now, those forums are a ghost town - a handful of posts a year. A large part of the homeschooling forums' demise has to do with one of the hazards of RYO forum SW. The RYOers were less than great about security, and the forums got hacked to Valhalla ... multiple times. Maybe DU's RYOers have been better with security; maybe hackers are largely sympathetic to DU's POV; or maybe hackers see DU as an insignificant target.
I have no idea if Skinner et al. ever visit Di or have any real admin authority (i.e., the listed admins),
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It's fairly typical for admins of a board with a specific purpose to create a spin-off board for conversations not welcome at the original. And, the admins of the original immediately hand over the reigns to someone else. The spin-off board is the ugly stepchild of the original that is neglected and left to find its own way.
They were banning or handing out time outs to anyone who even mentioned CU or CC hence the reason the term "site that shall not be named" was hatched over there.
WE are the "site that shall not be named".
Thanks for the background info, Miskie. Besides some RYO forums, I think I've seen DCForums(+) on a couple sites long ago.