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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 11, 2015, 10:11:51 AM
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In the pointless post catagory of DU this morning:
struggle4progress (81,989 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026653708
I'm terrified about what could happen if the US elects an R President in 2016
Tricky Dick scared the living shizz out of me because he was a corrupt lying fuggwad
And it's all been downhill from there: these people have an agenda, and they plan to move it forward
Ronnie was even worse than Tricky Dick because Ronnie brilliantly performed as an empty suit fronting for a gang of rightwing ideologues behind the scenes
And I've never been more scared than I was in the Dubya years
Next time it will be worse
:thatsright:
guillaumeb (2,000 posts)
1. The right-wing agenda has been moving forward since the 1960s.
Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. But the range of political discussion is steadily moving right. At least in Washington D.C. and in the media.
It is scary to think that George W. Bush looks better compared to Huckabee, Paul, Walker, Jindal, et al.
Rex (52,807 posts)
2. Yeah if only someone would have held Reagan responsible for Iran-Contra or
protested enough after the 2000 thefts, oh well right? Seems like they always get let off the hook and we have to worry about 'the next one'.
Guess that fear just should be accepted, since we never hold Republicans responsible for high crimes while in office. We sure did Bill Clinton...(which was a GOP farce and not criminal at all) geez, why can't we have equality between the parties when it comes to how they are treated over crime?
What gives here?
Can you imagine a history book written by the DUmpmonkies?
Initech (48,262 posts)
4. A Bush / Walker presidency? We might as well declare the next Great Depression now.
That combo will be like dropping a nuclear bomb on the middle class. And unlike the last depression, this one won't be easy to get out of.
golfguru (4,684 posts)
25. Jeb Bush & Scott Walker are RINO's
They are not much different than Hillary Clinton.
Only one that scares me is Ted Cruz. He even resembles
Joseph McCarthy.
Flying Squirrel (1,629 posts)
32. What scares me is that they SEEM to be not much different than Hillary Clinton
And that may be enough to get either one elected, after which we'll see their true colors ala GWB. Not to mention the obvious effect on the Supreme Court, probably for the rest of my lifetime
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MannyGoldstein (31,966 posts)
5. Truman had it about right:
"If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."
Turns out it's not *every* time, but the difficulty that the Third Wayers have had in holding majorities since they grabbed control of our Party shows that its *usually* true.
So let's get an FDR Democrat like Bernie at the top of our ticket.
okaawhatever (7,501 posts)
7. One of the things that concerns me the most is that the economy is improving & is getting
ready to really expand.
The president who is elected in 2016 will get credit for that (even though they won't have created it). If it is a Republican people will give them credit and think that Republican policies lead to a good economy. It will be near the end of their 2nd term before we start to feel the effect of the new GOP policies and by then it will be too late.
The Supreme Court is of paramount importance. I can't begin to fathom what will happen to this country if a Republican picks another 3 or 4 scotus seats. I think it's safe to say Roe v Wade will be overturned, then it's just a hop, skip and a jump to dominionism.
CentralMass (235 posts)
11. In retrospect, Nixon was a pretty progressive president
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-nixon-progressive/2013/01/18/edfb8d64-5e96-11e2-8acb-ab5cb77e95c8_story.html
"Nixon’s enduring domestic legislation, which created the Environmental Protection Agency, the Clean Air and Water Acts, the earned income tax credit, Equal Employment Opportunity Act, Endangered Species Act and the Occupation Safety and Health Administration, among other progressive legislation. Indeed, in many respects Nixon was a demonstrably liberal president whose accomplishments in both foreign policy and domestic legislation were unfortunately overshadowed by Watergate"
"Nixon’s Plan For Health Reform, In His Own Words"
http://kaiserhealthnews.org/news/nixon-proposal/
..and
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Richard_Nixon_Health_Care.htm
oh, my... that won't sit well.
struggle4progress (81,989 posts)
31. No, Nixon was never a progressive. He was, however, talented at pushing himself
into the public view, using modern advertising techniques
Left to himself, without a liberal Congress to force his hand, he would have been content with such meaningless gestures as appointing a National Pollution Control Council, a Commerce Department body comprised solely of corporate executives
ChisolmTrailDem (5,630 posts)
12. What is happening is that the Oligarchs are dumbing down the population and, as
...I've said before, they are lowering middle class standards across the planet to bring everyone down to a nice profitable level.
It's all about money/profit and taking over the world.
Who runs the education system in the US? Who runs the welfare system? The abortion system?
longship (26,754 posts)
13. A big step towards a de facto theocracy.
They already have a majority in state governments. They have both the US House and US Senate. If they get POTUS, they have it all.
It is very scary what the GOP could do with that. For one thing, kiss SCOTUS goodbye and all the rest of the checks and balances.
I have never been more afraid of an upcoming election.
Thankfully they are running another clown car. One hopes that they will not win.
freshwest (51,066 posts)
15. Frankly, I don't believe there will be a 'next time.' They'll bury the USA for good if they win.
The Article V convention the GOP along with the Koch brothers will bring us back to not only the days before the New Deal, but before TR, Lincoln, the Civil War and the American Revolution itself.
These guys intend to eviscerate eveything after the Bill of Rights, some even want a return all the way back to the Articles of the Confederation. The Constitution was an improvement on that, but it's what they want and are being funded to do and they are not going to stop.
Meanwhile, voters will stay home?
Then they can kiss their desires for ending income inequality and their other utopian schemes bye. It took centuries to get at the point we are now, an amalgamation of culture and influences, to create what we have worked on since the New Deal.
We have a framework to keep on fighting for the people. No one seems to care. When the dire wolf arrives at the door, it'll be too late.
stevenleser (23,154 posts)
33. We barely survived the last one. The economy almost disintegrated. The Middle East is In total meltdown. People all over the world hated us. When I traveled during 2003-2008 my response to where are you from was a rapid "I'm an American but I oppose Bush policies including the war and protested against them." You had to get that out there otherwise the disgust with you would be palpable.
So no, the OPs premise is not hyperbole.
And things are so much better now with Barry in control for 6 years?
lobodons (987 posts)
23. GOP wins SCOTUS becomes 6-3 or 7-2 for next 30 years
IF Dems would have backed Gore in 2000 (90K votes for Nader in Florida alone) then SCOTUS would not so much be on the table in 2016. BUT the Dems F'd up in 2000. Don't do it again in 2016!!!!!!
DFW (17,714 posts)
24. I doubt we'll elect a Republican President. One could still take office, though
Think 2000 and 2004.
Winning the election is no longer enough these days. Taking office is no longer an automatic consequence of winning the election in this country.
Kablooie (11,096 posts)
27. History indicates that a Republican president is more likely than not.
People usually vote for the opposite party after an 8 year run.
And since the direction of SCOTUS will probably be set for the rest of our lives by the next president it's more important than ever.
gordianot (8,551 posts)
29. Eventually a Republican will win the White House.
If they remain what they are now it will be a tragedy of enormous proportions. Even if a progressive wins in 2016 the threat remains with Republican Congress and constant threat of impeachment. The political threat posed by radical conservatives will not go away. Republicans will eventually destroy this country. I see no changing them and the seeds are permanently planted.
I will vote against them as long as I am allowed to vote.
treestar (56,525 posts)
37. Especially since all they have to do is nothing
We have to attempt to get congress to pass the bills that we want and that's not always happening. R's simply have to sit back and let the government "fail" so they can argue government is not the answer.
And the wars they will start come to mind
words simply fail me.
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okaawhatever (7,501 posts)
7. One of the things that concerns me the most is that the economy is improving & is getting
ready to really expand.
The president who is elected in 2016 will get credit for that (even though they won't have created it). If it is a Republican people will give them credit and think that Republican policies lead to a good economy. It will be near the end of their 2nd term before we start to feel the effect of the new GOP policies and by then it will be too late.
Their stupidity isn't even internally consistent. Doesn't that mean Clinton is really responsible for the 2008 recession, and W should get credit for pulling the economy (Slightly) out of it between 2009 and now?
In the real world, there is a much higher correlation to which party controls Congress than which one has the White House when it comes to the economy.
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Dang! I wish prospective R candidates were all at least half as good as DU-folk fear they are!
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The economy is doing well???
Last year 2% growth. First quarter FY2015 0% growth. Now those numbers are the fudged numbers under the Obama regime which artificially add about 2%. What is really7 scary is that this has been the worst "recovery" on modern history and that is with $4 trillion in the fed and $10 trillion in new federal government debt. There are no more bullets in the gun.
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gordianot (8,551 posts)
29. Eventually a Republican will win the White House.
If they remain what they are now it will be a tragedy of enormous proportions. Even if a progressive wins in 2016 the threat remains with Republican Congress and constant threat of impeachment. The political threat posed by radical conservatives will not go away. Republicans will eventually destroy this country. I see no changing them and the seeds are permanently planted.
I will vote against them as long as I am allowed to vote more than once.
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freshwest (51,066 posts)
15. Frankly, I don't believe there will be a 'next time.' They'll bury the USA for good if they win.
The Article V convention the GOP along with the Koch brothers will bring us back to not only the days before the New Deal, but before TR, Lincoln, the Civil War and the American Revolution itself.
These guys intend to eviscerate eveything after the Bill of Rights, some even want a return all the way back to the Articles of the Confederation. The Constitution was an improvement on that, but it's what they want and are being funded to do and they are not going to stop.
Meanwhile, voters will stay home?
Then they can kiss their desires for ending income inequality and their other utopian schemes bye. It took centuries to get at the point we are now, an amalgamation of culture and influences, to create what we have worked on since the New Deal.
We have a framework to keep on fighting for the people. No one seems to care. When the dire wolf arrives at the door, it'll be too late.
So trimming federal government back to what the framers intended is a bad thing? Really dummie? What would you do if say a GOP president just decided that constitution law didn't apply to him/her and broke out the pen and started making law all on his own if he couldn't get a dem congress to go along? Would you complain? Of course you would. My question is why aren't you complaining when obumbles does it?
Think about it dummie. Think long and hard. The GOP is not the enemy here. People like you are.
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When the DUmmies are cat fighting, I like to read all the comments.
When they are piling on and falling all over themselves trying to one up each other in agreement I tend to drift off.