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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Chris_ on July 18, 2008, 12:54:12 AM
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Not only are the caricatures blatantly racist, it makes light of McCain's captivity as a POW, a POW, by the way, who was NOT treated as required by the Geneva Conventions...
(http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/7/4/9/21129477-21129481-slarge.jpg)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21129038/full_metal_mccain (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21129038/full_metal_mccain)
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Can people really be this stupid?
There is no doubt about McCains honorable service as a POW. None at all. It is something that is off limits. Kerry was fair game because he was a ****ing rat who was obviously hiding something. He was campaigning on his shady "heroism", and thats why people went after him. McCain is doing no such thing, so this shit is just going to bite them in their ass.
And it will serve them right.
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I'll bet McC does not firebomb any cars as a result.
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Guaran-damn-tee the MSM doesn't give this 1/100th the coverage the New Yorker cover got.
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This is so tasteless and for some odd reason I didn't think "they" would go there. I guess I am naive.
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This is so tasteless and for some odd reason I didn't think "they" would go there. I guess I am naive.
Rolling Stone Magazine wouldn't go there?
They have Hussiens ugly face and big ears on their cover this month.
That magazine puts the "communist" in "moonbat".
I didn't mean RS in particular, I just didn't think anyone would. Not because they respect his service and that fact he was a POW but because of the ridicule they would receive. Like I said, I am a tad naive.
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I would be more pissed off if I was an Obama or Hillary fan. Those cartoons make them look like insane torture experts there. I think the top one is supposed to be GWB but it isn't drawn well enough to tell really.
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I would be more pissed off if I was an Obama or Hillary fan. Those cartoons make them look like insane torture experts there. I think the top one is supposed to be GWB but it isn't drawn well enough to tell really.
I thought the top one was James Carville ..... good Lord that has got to be the ugliest man alive.
KC
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There is nothing that Rolling Stone does that should surprize anyone. Well, except endorsing a real Republican. That would be a sign of the "end times".
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Just when you think the libtards couldn't sink any lower...... :mental:
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McCain's service isn't "untouchable". Even I have questions about his time spent in Viet Nam. Some of the rumors that have been floating around for DECADES is that he collaborated with his captors. (These rumors started back in the 70s, BTW). After reading his story of his capture/ imprisonment, I changed my attitude about him a little. My opinion, still, he is still a poor choice for the GOP Presidential bid. (He remains well elevated above the "Barackstar".)
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McCain has said, I think in writing and verbally, that he "broke" at one point. Had he not, odds are very good he'd have died in N. Viet.. Frankly, I do not think anyone could endure that for 5 plus years and not "break" or die.
At some point, he decided to live, I hardly call that "collaberation". BTW, I because of an illness, subjected to some medical tests that were exceptionally painful and included running electrical current thru my body. Had this been done as torture, I would have broken too. As it was, I simply told the MD to stop. When he suggested a few more "jolts", I offered to do two for every one he'd subject himself to. He laughed, removed the testing equipment, and never mentioned it again.
Everyone has a point at which they will break. I am inpressed he lasted as long as he did and VERY impressed that he stayed when offered freedom at the expense of his fellow prisoners.
HOWEVER, today, I have very sincere prob lems with some of his policies. On the otherhand, he is a shining star compared with Obama.
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I would be more pissed off if I was an Obama or Hillary fan. Those cartoons make them look like insane torture experts there. I think the top one is supposed to be GWB but it isn't drawn well enough to tell really.
I'd wager it's Dean. Looks like he's got one hell of a comb over.
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It can't be that great of a "caricature" if nobody can tell who it's supposed to be a caricature of.
The Rolling Stone is still a liberal rag, but they do more harm than good to themselves when they print these things. They are the same outfit that drew a halo over Barack Hussein Obama's head for a cover - kool-aiders.
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McCain's service isn't "untouchable". Even I have questions about his time spent in Viet Nam. Some of the rumors that have been floating around for DECADES is that he collaborated with his captors. (These rumors started back in the 70s, BTW). After reading his story of his capture/ imprisonment, I changed my attitude about him a little. My opinion, still, he is still a poor choice for the GOP Presidential bid. (He remains well elevated above the "Barackstar".)
Not untouchable? By a campaign for some inexperienced dolt who's never served? Sorry, I don't buy that shit. He spent 5.5 years in a Damn POW camp. He would have been released early, but knew the consequences. Do what you want, but "I" will never question Captain McCain's military record.
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Not untouchable? By a campaign for some inexperienced dolt who's never served? Sorry, I don't buy that shit. He spent 5.5 years in a Damn POW camp. He would have been released early, but knew the consequences. Do what you want, but "I" will never question Captain McCain's military record.
Word.
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I would be more pissed off if I was an Obama or Hillary fan. Those cartoons make them look like insane torture experts there. I think the top one is supposed to be GWB but it isn't drawn well enough to tell really.
I thought the top one was James Carville ..... good Lord that has got to be the ugliest man alive.
KC
The top one that is poking McCain with the stick is Viet Cong
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The top one that is poking McCain with the stick is Viet Cong
Actually, it's a caricature of Bush, Obama, and Hillary....made to look Vietnamese. The top being Bush, the left being Obama, and the right being Hillary. ...and they're all poking him with sticks.
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The top one that is poking McCain with the stick is Viet Cong
Actually, it's a caricature of Bush, Obama, and Hillary....made to look Vietnamese. The top being Bush, the left being Obama, and the right being Hillary. ...and they're all poking him with sticks.
Why would it be Bush though? He's an ally in his election. It looks to me like Howard Dean, which would make sense since he's the head of the DNC.
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McCain has said, I think in writing and verbally, that he "broke" at one point. Had he not, odds are very good he'd have died in N. Viet.. Frankly, I do not think anyone could endure that for 5 plus years and not "break" or die.
Admiral Jim Stockdale managed to pull it off.
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McCain has said, I think in writing and verbally, that he "broke" at one point. Had he not, odds are very good he'd have died in N. Viet.. Frankly, I do not think anyone could endure that for 5 plus years and not "break" or die.
Admiral Jim Stockdale managed to pull it off.
Ever been in that position? No? Then shut the **** up.
No, this isn't from an Admin, this is from a poster, and also a guy who's former military. If I read you wrong, I apologize. However, I don't think I did.
NONE of you will EVER see me defend John McCain, the politician. Talk about his military record, we're going to have words.
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Not only are the caricatures blatantly racist, it makes light of McCain's captivity as a POW, a POW, by the way, who was NOT treated as required by the Geneva Conventions...
(http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/7/4/9/21129477-21129481-slarge.jpg)
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21129038/full_metal_mccain (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/21129038/full_metal_mccain)
The country of Viet Nam was never a signatory of the Geneva Conventions as far as I know.
So can they honestly be accused of violating a series of treaties that they never agreed to?
I am now prepaired to get bitch slapped.
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The top one that is poking McCain with the stick is Viet Cong
Actually, it's a caricature of Bush, Obama, and Hillary....made to look Vietnamese. The top being Bush, the left being Obama, and the right being Hillary. ...and they're all poking him with sticks.
Bingo!
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McCain has said, I think in writing and verbally, that he "broke" at one point. Had he not, odds are very good he'd have died in N. Viet.. Frankly, I do not think anyone could endure that for 5 plus years and not "break" or die.
Admiral Jim Stockdale managed to pull it off.
Ever been in that position? No? Then shut the **** up.
No, this isn't from an Admin, this is from a poster, and also a guy who's former military. If I read you wrong, I apologize. However, I don't think I did.
NONE of you will EVER see me defend John McCain, the politician. Talk about his military record, we're going to have words.
Have you?
My answer was that, yeah, someone did pull that one off and it was someone who was there longer the Senator McCain and was the Commanding Officer of the POW's. So, yeah, you did misread me.
And, Kev, this is from someone who is still on active ****ing duty. 21 years and counting.
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As I stated, if what I said was misplaced or if I read you wrong, I apologize.
However, have I been in that position? No. That's WHY I won't downplay a retired Navy Captain's 5.5 years as a POW. There are things to ridicule and criticize about McCain. This, in my opinion, isn't one of'em. I read your comment as kind of a slap to the face of McCain as to him almost breaking down. I.e., I read, "Bullshit, McCain can't hold out? Stockdale damn sure did". So, if I read that right, what were you trying to say? McCain is a ***** or something? When you've been deployed, how long did that 6 months feel like? How long did that year feel like? ....and that was in freedom. Now, contrast that with 5.5 years in a Damn POW camp.
Hey, again, if I'm reading you wrong, I apologize. I'm just a little ****ing on edge right now about people denigrating and downing McCain's service. I'm sick of seeing cartoons depicting him being prodded in a ****ing Tiger cage. I'm sick of seeing DUmbasses call him dishonorable. I'm sick of seeing those fools say he is mentally-impaired because of it.
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As I stated, if what I said was misplaced or if I read you wrong, I apologize.
However, have I been in that position? No. That's WHY I won't downplay a retired Navy Captain's 5.5 years as a POW. There are things to ridicule and criticize about McCain. This, in my opinion, isn't one of'em. I read your comment as kind of a slap to the face of McCain as to him almost breaking down. I.e., I read, "Bullshit, McCain can't hold out? Stockdale damn sure did". So, if I read that right, what were you trying to say? McCain is a ***** or something? When you've been deployed, how long did that 6 months feel like? How long did that year feel like? ....and that was in freedom. Now, contrast that with 5.5 years in a Damn POW camp.
Hey, again, if I'm reading you wrong, I apologize. I'm just a little ****ing on edge right now about people denigrating and downing McCain's service. I'm sick of seeing cartoons depicting him being prodded in a ****ing Tiger cage. I'm sick of seeing DUmbasses call him dishonorable. I'm sick of seeing those fools say he is mentally-impaired because of it.
The poster whom I quoted said that no one could go 5 years without breaking. I simply pointed out that Admiral Stockdale did. Historical perspective and all that.
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Speaking from very limited experience I can assure you that being subject to electrical discharge thru your body will, indeed, break you. My 1/8th inch in McCain's shoes a part of McCain's mile have convinced me anyone can be broken.
Hell, , you'll confess to assassinating LINCOLN, and give a believable story line subjected to the person appropriate methods.
With electricity, recanting would be possible, unless the brain was damaged, within a few hours, and, of course, a public , open confession, would be impossible unless you were hooked up, and it would take a shot or three before you "fessed up" again. Hardly propaganda worthy.
Simple physical pain is something you can endure, and will simply make many drift into a raging hatred of the ones torturing, others will simply withdraw, others will try to try and make it stop by "colaberating". Some will "collaberate" simply by treating them with "respect". Normally, these are the Lee Harvey Oswald types, people normally shunned by most, and today, the DU Primituives are supurb examples.
I have no idea what Adm. Stockdale was subjected to, there is no question he was affected both mentally and physically for life. When he was abused as the vice Presidential candidate it caused me pain. Made me vcery anti-littletexasweasel. Not to mention, left me with confirmation that me distaste with the "drive by media" was not misplaced and elevated it to comtempt.
Whatever it was, for what ever reason, he was not made to "confess" any "crimes" . In addition,he was not the son of a Fleet Admrial, someone who's "confession" would be worth a ton in the propaganda arena. The Hanoi Janes would have LOVED IT. But, the actual WAR CRIMINALS, THE NORTH VIETNAMESE ARMY, were unable to make him "confess" in public, I'm guessing that having him "hooked up" and being zapped on video tape might have had a negative effect on the propagana value of the confession.
We must never forget that the Vietnams were signatures on the Geneva Treaties and what they did was worthy of War Crimes trials, and after the Congress sold S. Vietnam down the river, the N. V. Government should have been charged with genocide.
Lastly, McCain behaved as required by the Code of Conduct and far more. His survival was heroic.
But TODAY, he is very mistaken in many of his positions, but still a UNIVERSE better than the idiot Obama.
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I have no idea what Adm. Stockdale was subjected to
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/sto0int-3
Upon his release in 1973, Stockdale's extraordinary heroism became widely
known and he was awarded the Medal of Honor in 1976. A portion of his
citation reads: "Stockdale...deliberately inflicted a near mortal wound to
his person in order to convince his captors of his willingness to give up
his life rather than capitulate. He was subsequently discovered and revived
by the North Vietnamese who, convinced of his indomitable spirit, abated
their employment of excessive harassment and torture of all prisoners of
war."
http://www.pownetwork.org/bios/s/s118.htm
Whatever it was, for what ever reason, he was not made to "confess" any "crimes" .
You are kidding, right?
In addition,he was not the son of a Fleet Admrial, someone who's "confession" would be worth a ton in the propaganda arena.
Yeah, you're right. He was just the most senior Naval Officer there and the Commanding Officer of the prisoners. His "confession" wouldn't mean shit. :whatever:
Lastly, McCain behaved as required by the Code of Conduct and far more. His survival was heroic.
But TODAY, he is very mistaken in many of his positions, but still a UNIVERSE better than the idiot Obama.
No argument on either point.
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Wasp, you do realize no one is questioning Admiral Stockdale's heroism and integrity, right? You also realize that when we defend McCain, we're not putting down Admiral Stockdale, right? I don't see how these two issues married up, but both men are honorable and both are heroes.
As for Peter, he's a Vietnam veteran himself having served there as, "I think", an 11B.
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Wasp, you do realize no one is questioning Admiral Stockdale's heroism and integrity, right? You also realize that when we defend McCain, we're not putting down Admiral Stockdale, right? I don't see how these two issues married up, but both men are honorable and both are heroes.
Am I being too sensitive at the wrong time?
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Wasp, you do realize no one is questioning Admiral Stockdale's heroism and integrity, right? You also realize that when we defend McCain, we're not putting down Admiral Stockdale, right? I don't see how these two issues married up, but both men are honorable and both are heroes.
Am I being too sensitive at the wrong time?
I don't understand. Hell, to be honest, I don't understand this entire thing. I don't understand why you felt the need to slight McCain using Stockdale's time and I don't understand why you feel defending McCain IS denigrating Stockdale.
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I'm gonna have to side with Rebel on this one. Who are you ( or anyone for that matter ) to judge him during his imprisonment. I read about his ordeal a few weeks ago from a link on this site and to judge him at all is plain offensive.
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No, there was nothing about Adm.Stockdale's torture that was anything that did not show him stoic and heroic from my view. As I wrote, physical body bamaging torture cannot crack everyone. And at the point you describe, his willingness to die, the RVA decided that he should live, you'd have to ask them why, as they killed many officers without hesitation.
McCain , it seems to me, was a different case. They wanted to break him down, and they did so physically, with no more result thanb with S
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Wasp, you do realize no one is questioning Admiral Stockdale's heroism and integrity, right? You also realize that when we defend McCain, we're not putting down Admiral Stockdale, right? I don't see how these two issues married up, but both men are honorable and both are heroes.
Am I being too sensitive at the wrong time?
I don't understand. Hell, to be honest, I don't understand this entire thing. I don't understand why you felt the need to slight McCain using Stockdale's time and I don't understand why you feel defending McCain IS denigrating Stockdale.
Jesus Harold Christ! Am I the only one here that can ****ing read? I wasn't slighting McCain!
Here, I'll repeat it for the rest of you that don't seem to get it:
I WAS NOT SLIGHTING MCCAIN! I WAS POINTING OUT TO A POSTER ON THIS THREAD THAT YES, THERE WERE PEOPLE IMPRISONED AT THE HANOI HILTON WHO WERE IN CAPTIVITY LONGER THAN SENATOR MCCAIN AND DID NOT BREAK! I ALSO CORRECTED ANOTHER POSTER WHO WAS WRONG ABOUT THE CAPTIVITY AND CONDUCT OF ADMIRAL STOCKDALE!
Does that clear it up?
For someone to point out that I am defending Admiral Jim Stockdale at the expense of Senator McCain would mean that I have no respect for the service and imprisonment of Senator McCain. I wouldn't piss on Senator McCain if he were on fire. I would, on the other hand, make sure that LCDR McCain wanted for nothing for the rest of his life.
It also means that there were more prisoners that got tortured than Senator McCain. Have we forgotten that? Is that all we are judging this Senator by?
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I'm gonna have to side with Rebel on this one. Who are you ( or anyone for that matter ) to judge him during his imprisonment. I read about his ordeal a few weeks ago from a link on this site and to judge him at all is plain offensive.
Then I would suggest you go back and reread the thread.
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Wasp, you do realize no one is questioning Admiral Stockdale's heroism and integrity, right? You also realize that when we defend McCain, we're not putting down Admiral Stockdale, right? I don't see how these two issues married up, but both men are honorable and both are heroes.
Am I being too sensitive at the wrong time?
I don't understand. Hell, to be honest, I don't understand this entire thing. I don't understand why you felt the need to slight McCain using Stockdale's time and I don't understand why you feel defending McCain IS denigrating Stockdale.
Jesus Harold Christ! Am I the only one here that can ****ing read? I wasn't slighting McCain!
Here, I'll repeat it for the rest of you that don't seem to get it:
I WAS NOT SLIGHTING MCCAIN! I WAS POINTING OUT TO A POSTER ON THIS THREAD THAT YES, THERE WERE PEOPLE IMPRISONED AT THE HANOI HILTON WHO WERE IN CAPTIVITY LONGER THAN SENATOR MCCAIN AND DID NOT BREAK! I ALSO CORRECTED ANOTHER POSTER WHO WAS WRONG ABOUT THE CAPTIVITY AND CONDUCT OF ADMIRAL STOCKDALE!
Does that clear it up?
For someone to point out that I am defending Admiral Jim Stockdale at the expense of Senator McCain would mean that I have no respect for the service and imprisonment of Senator McCain. I wouldn't piss on Senator McCain if he were on fire. I would, on the other hand, make sure that LCDR McCain wanted for nothing for the rest of his life.
It also means that there were more prisoners that got tortured than Senator McCain. Have we forgotten that? Is that all we are judging this Senator by?
I don't get it .... what do you have against McCain?!
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KC
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Wasp, you do realize no one is questioning Admiral Stockdale's heroism and integrity, right? You also realize that when we defend McCain, we're not putting down Admiral Stockdale, right? I don't see how these two issues married up, but both men are honorable and both are heroes.
Am I being too sensitive at the wrong time?
I don't understand. Hell, to be honest, I don't understand this entire thing. I don't understand why you felt the need to slight McCain using Stockdale's time and I don't understand why you feel defending McCain IS denigrating Stockdale.
Jesus Harold Christ! Am I the only one here that can ****ing read? I wasn't slighting McCain!
Here, I'll repeat it for the rest of you that don't seem to get it:
I WAS NOT SLIGHTING MCCAIN! I WAS POINTING OUT TO A POSTER ON THIS THREAD THAT YES, THERE WERE PEOPLE IMPRISONED AT THE HANOI HILTON WHO WERE IN CAPTIVITY LONGER THAN SENATOR MCCAIN AND DID NOT BREAK! I ALSO CORRECTED ANOTHER POSTER WHO WAS WRONG ABOUT THE CAPTIVITY AND CONDUCT OF ADMIRAL STOCKDALE!
Does that clear it up?
For someone to point out that I am defending Admiral Jim Stockdale at the expense of Senator McCain would mean that I have no respect for the service and imprisonment of Senator McCain. I wouldn't piss on Senator McCain if he were on fire. I would, on the other hand, make sure that LCDR McCain wanted for nothing for the rest of his life.
It also means that there were more prisoners that got tortured than Senator McCain. Have we forgotten that? Is that all we are judging this Senator by?
I don't get it .... what do you have against McCain?!
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KC
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