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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on April 26, 2015, 01:49:21 PM
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Normally I make a quip in the thread title.
This thread is going to rob me of my ability make humorous comments.
Shoulders of Giants (265 posts)
Being against abortion, except for rape, is the worst position to have on abortion.
This seems to be a common position among "moderate" conservatives. It is to be against abortion except in cases of rape. I guess they see this as a compromise position, as it seems cruel to make a women carry her rapist's baby. And it certainly is. However, this position makes one thing clear. The law isn't meant to save a fetus. It is meant to judge the purity of the woman. If the woman gets pregnant through consensual sex and has an abortion, she is "morally impure" accordingly to this view. She deserves to be "punished with a baby" (which is what they got on Obama so much for saying years ago, when its really them who want to do it.) However, if a woman gets pregnant through rape, they don't view the women as "impure" (to be fair there are some sick ****s who will say she deserved it) and she can have an abortion because she doesn't deserve the "punishment of a baby." This position makes it very clear that a baby is punishment and "impure" women deserve the punishment by law.
I used to think being against abortion except in cases of rape was an internally inconsistent position. It is if you think the purpose of abortion bans is to protect the fetus. However that's not its purpose. The purpose is to punish a woman for supposedly being "sexually impure." Therefore being against abortion, except in cases of rape, is a consistent position if you are anti woman. Therefore, we need to start calling politicians out on this. Ask politicians who state this position why they think its appropriate to have the law punish women for sex. Also ask them why they think a fetus created through rape is less "human" than a fetus created through consensual sex. I personally don't think the government should force women to have any baby. However, if the government makes these judgements, the ultimate worst parameter to use is the sexual purity of the woman. However, this is parameter of judgement millions of people want, by saying abortion should be banned except in cases of rape.
JaneyVee (10,413 posts)
1. K&R!
If they excuse rape and incest, then they are hypocrites for saying "all life is precious". I mean, if they truly believe all life is precious, then they can't excuse rape and incest. If they don't excuse rape and incest, then they are psychopaths. They should just leave us the **** alone. Its obvious that its all about control.
seabeyond (100,408 posts)
2. i absolutely agree and have argued this. this person? punishing girls and women for sex, and no
punishment if she is forced. and it takes away the argument one feels it is murder. cause you cannot say it is murder, but we will allow murder with rape.
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Shoulders of Giants (265 posts)
Being against abortion, except for rape, is the worst position to have on abortion.
This seems to be a common position among "moderate" conservatives. It is to be against abortion except in cases of rape. I guess they see this as a compromise position, as it seems cruel to make a women carry her rapist's baby. And it certainly is. However, this position makes one thing clear. The law isn't meant to save a fetus. It is meant to judge the purity of the woman. If the woman gets pregnant through consensual sex and has an abortion, she is "morally impure" accordingly to this view. She deserves to be "punished with a baby" (which is what they got on Obama so much for saying years ago, when its really them who want to do it.) However, if a woman gets pregnant through rape, they don't view the women as "impure" (to be fair there are some sick ****s who will say she deserved it) and she can have an abortion because she doesn't deserve the "punishment of a baby." This position makes it very clear that a baby is punishment and "impure" women deserve the punishment by law.
I used to think being against abortion except in cases of rape was an internally inconsistent position. It is if you think the purpose of abortion bans is to protect the fetus. However that's not its purpose. The purpose is to punish a woman for supposedly being "sexually impure." Therefore being against abortion, except in cases of rape, is a consistent position if you are anti woman. Therefore, we need to start calling politicians out on this. Ask politicians who state this position why they think its appropriate to have the law punish women for sex. Also ask them why they think a fetus created through rape is less "human" than a fetus created through consensual sex. I personally don't think the government should force women to have any baby. However, if the government makes these judgements, the ultimate worst parameter to use is the sexual purity of the woman. However, this is parameter of judgement millions of people want, by saying abortion should be banned except in cases of rape.
I noticed that owebuma never got punished for saying that women get punished for having babies.
When you are a lib you can get away with saying or doing anything and it will be excused.
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JaneyVee (10,413 posts)
1. K&R!
If they excuse rape and incest, then they are hypocrites for saying "all life is precious". I mean, if they truly believe all life is precious, then they can't excuse rape and incest. If they don't excuse rape and incest, then they are psychopaths. They should just leave us the **** alone. Its obvious that its all about control.
I guess I'm worse than the worst and a psychopath!
What crime did a child conceived through rape or incest commit? How, other than an ectopic pregnancy or some even more rare situation, is a child conceived through rape or incest a threat to the mother? That child, whether not yet detected two weeks after conception or 2 minutes short of being born at full-term, is living, unique, innocent, and fully human. Don't believe me? Look at the DNA and watch it grow; and how it grows.
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I don't believe in exceptions, as I don't think the child deserves the death penalty for the crimes of his/her father.
Dummies should avoid the abortion topic. They believe in late-term murder. Disgusting.
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... I don't think the child deserves the death penalty for the crimes of his/her father.
H-5 and well-stated!
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Dummies should avoid the abortion topic. They believe in late-term murder. Disgusting.
Their death-cult zealotry is going to backfire on them.
Most people will agree to keep abortion legal for rape, incest and medical emergencies.
These zealots will then climb in those people's faces and scream this nonsense.
The people will then say, "Okay, then let's scale it back to just medical emergencies."
This is the problem with cults: They become so insular they mistake the fact that all they hear is their fellows chanting the same chants and they mistake it for the sound of reality.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HjDuAJR-d5Q/TTB5H5_bOMI/AAAAAAAABxc/xU2TxnVTFVQ/s1600/Moloch.jpg)
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I guess I'm worse than the worst and a psychopath!
What crime did a child conceived through rape or incest commit? How, other than an ectopic pregnancy or some even more rare situation, is a child conceived through rape or incest a threat to the mother? That child, whether not yet detected two weeks after conception or 2 minutes short of being born at full-term, is living, unique, innocent, and fully human. Don't believe me? Look at the DNA and watch it grow; and how it grows.
I use to be willing to accept abortions for the health/life of the mother and in cases of rape. The it hit me, that like you said, the child is still innocent, regardless of how they were conceived.
There are several anti-abortion women around that conceived during a rape.
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Be very skeptical when pols use the phrase, "... the health/life of the mother ...". The USSC, in Doe vs. Bolton, made that phrase virtually meaningless in legal contexts.
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Be very skeptical when pols use the phrase, "... the health/life of the mother ...". The USSC, in Doe vs. Bolton, made that phrase virtually meaningless in legal contexts.
That's a funny thing about those cases though. Many women that want the baby are willing to go to extreme lengths to try and bring the baby to term, often at the cost of their own life.
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I don't believe in exceptions, as I don't think the child deserves the death penalty for the crimes of his/her father.
I don't .....necessarily ....... agree with that in total, but that is a very good point. :hi5: I can't even imagine having to make that decision.
Dummies should avoid the abortion topic. They believe in late-term murder. Disgusting.
A Death Cult. Never been anything else.
Their death-cult zealotry is going to backfire on them.
I think so.
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That's a funny thing about those cases though. Many women that want the baby are willing to go to extreme lengths to try and bring the baby to term, often at the cost of their own life.
Yep. It killed my heart to have to take a shot for each of my ectopic pregnancies to end the pregnancy.
I'm gonna say it again. Democrats do not care about women. They do not care that they WILL, even if they say they won't, have LONG LAST EFFECTS from the abortion. Whether it be mentally or physically but they will think to themselves that they did a very bad thing.
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I said it before a long time ago....and I still firmly believe it...these cretins that are for the wholesale murder of the unborn...by and large have never known the joy of holding a newborn in their hands or wittnessing the birth of a child they helped create.
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I said it before a long time ago....and I still firmly believe it...these cretins that are for the wholesale murder of the unborn...by and large have never known the joy of holding a newborn in their hands or wittnessing the birth of a child they helped create.
I look at mine all the time and get overwhelmed. How anyone could think that a human being just comes together without some type of plan from above is astounding. Amazing to think of those little miracles forming inside a mom.