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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on April 25, 2015, 12:15:36 PM
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Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,418 posts)
I am pro-abortion, not just pro-choice: 10 reasons why we must support the procedure and the choice
I believe that abortion care is a positive social good -- and I think it’s time people said so ~VALERIE TARICO
Recently, the Daily Kos published an article titled I Am Pro-Choice, Not Pro-Abortion. “Has anyone ever truly been pro-abortion?†one commenter asked.
Uh. Yes. Me. That would be me.
I am pro-abortion like I’m pro-knee-replacement and pro-chemotherapy and pro-cataract surgery. As the last protection against ill-conceived childbearing when all else fails, abortion is part of a set of tools that help women and men to form the families of their choosing. I believe that abortion care is a positive social good. I suspect that a lot of other people secretly believe the same thing. And I think it’s time we said so.
As an aside, I’m also pro-choice. Choice is about who gets to make the decision. The question of whether and when we bring a new life into the world is, to my mind, one of the most important decisions a person can make. It is too big a decision for us to make for each other, and especially for perfect strangers.
But independent of who owns the decision, I’m pro on the procedure, and I’ve decided that it’s time, for once and for all, to count it out on my 10 fingers.
1. I’m pro-abortion because being able to delay and limit childbearing is fundamental to female empowerment and equality. A woman who lacks the means to manage her fertility lacks the means to manage her life. Any plans, dreams, aspirations, responsibilities or commitments–no matter how important–have a great big contingency clause built: “until or unless I get pregnant, in which case all bets are off.â€
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2. I’m pro-abortion because well-timed pregnancies give children a healthier start in life. We now have ample evidence that babies do best when women are able to space their pregnancies and get both pre-natal and pre-conception care. The specific nutrients we ingest in the weeks before we get pregnant can have a lifelong effect on the wellbeing of our offspring. Rapid repeat pregnancies increase the risk of low birthweight babies and other complications. Wanted babies are more likely to get their toes kissed, to be welcomed into families that are financially and emotionally ready to receive them, to get preventive medical care during childhood and the kinds of loving engagement that helps young brains to develop.
Much more that has me applauding in agreement here: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/24/i_am_pro_abortion_not_just_pro_choice_10_reasons_why_we_must_support_the_procedure_and_the_choice/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Abortion: a moral & positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, & protects families
You deserve the eternal hell that awaits you.
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
Star Member bettyellen (26,715 posts)
1. Excellent post- thank you. So disheartening how many Dems waffle on this.
I hold them all accountable for the erosion of women's reproductive freedom.
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
Brickbat (17,093 posts)
3. K&R. So frustrating we have to keep having this conversation.
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 11:03 AM
Novara (227 posts)
9. Applauding
I appreciate framing pro-choice as who gets to make the choice. The given is that abortion is safe, legal, and readily available, which it always should be, not safe, legal, and rare. Let's change "rare" to "readily available." Enough with these ridiculous waiting periods, enough with women having to travel hundreds of miles and stay overnight to wait out the imposed waiting period, enough with imposed barriers to have a constitutionally-protected procedure (Roe v Wade).
We are women; we know what is good for us. No one gets to make our healthcare decisions for us.
Take a look you monstrous butchers.
http://abortioninstruments.com/
Not for the squeamish.
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Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,418 posts)
I am pro-abortion, not just pro-choice: 10 reasons why we must support the procedure and the choice
I believe that abortion care is a positive social good -- and I think it’s time people said so ~VALERIE TARICO
Recently, the Daily Kos published an article titled I Am Pro-Choice, Not Pro-Abortion. “Has anyone ever truly been pro-abortion?†one commenter asked.
Uh. Yes. Me. That would be me.
I am pro-abortion like I’m pro-knee-replacement and pro-chemotherapy and pro-cataract surgery. As the last protection against ill-conceived childbearing when all else fails, abortion is part of a set of tools that help women and men to form the families of their choosing. I believe that abortion care is a positive social good. I suspect that a lot of other people secretly believe the same thing. And I think it’s time we said so.
As an aside, I’m also pro-choice. Choice is about who gets to make the decision. The question of whether and when we bring a new life into the world is, to my mind, one of the most important decisions a person can make. It is too big a decision for us to make for each other, and especially for perfect strangers.
But independent of who owns the decision, I’m pro on the procedure, and I’ve decided that it’s time, for once and for all, to count it out on my 10 fingers.
1. I’m pro-abortion because being able to delay and limit childbearing is fundamental to female empowerment and equality. A woman who lacks the means to manage her fertility lacks the means to manage her life. Any plans, dreams, aspirations, responsibilities or commitments–no matter how important–have a great big contingency clause built: “until or unless I get pregnant, in which case all bets are off.â€
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2. I’m pro-abortion because well-timed pregnancies give children a healthier start in life. We now have ample evidence that babies do best when women are able to space their pregnancies and get both pre-natal and pre-conception care. The specific nutrients we ingest in the weeks before we get pregnant can have a lifelong effect on the wellbeing of our offspring. Rapid repeat pregnancies increase the risk of low birthweight babies and other complications. Wanted babies are more likely to get their toes kissed, to be welcomed into families that are financially and emotionally ready to receive them, to get preventive medical care during childhood and the kinds of loving engagement that helps young brains to develop.
Much more that has me applauding in agreement here: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/24/i_am_pro_abortion_not_just_pro_choice_10_reasons_why_we_must_support_the_procedure_and_the_choice/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Abortion: a moral & positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, & protects families
Wow, that first highlighted part is absolutely chilling. The second highlighted part indicates that abortion is her preferred method of birth control.
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PeaceNikki is the most vile of vile pieces of shit. Other vile pieces of shit actually appreciate PeaceNikki because they know that as long as she exists they can honestly say, "I may be bad, but at least I'm not as vile as PeaceNikki." Lucifer refers to her as his right-hand bitch.
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Shout it, PeaceNikki. Speak for your party, loud and proud.
Every American needs to know that Democrats support abortion wholeheartedly, even post-birth abortions, where the abortionist would look the living babies in the eyes as he kills them.
(http://cdna.allaboutvision.com/i/news/baby-staring-280x186.jpg)
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Keep on you pro-abortion DUmmies and the limit on abortion will be the day before you start sucking the government tit.
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And the devil dances with glee. For now.
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. A woman who lacks the means to manage her fertility lacks the means to manage her life.
EVERY woman has the means to manage her fertility. It is called birth control or *HORRORS* abstinence.
How can liberal philosophy about abortion be anything but "all women are sluts?"
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EVERY woman has the means to manage her fertility. It is called birth control or *HORRORS* abstinence.
How can liberal philosophy about abortion be anything but "all women are sluts?"
But don't you see? That would require a brain. PeaceNikki has apparently lost the function of hers. She is essentially a walking diseased vagina. She can't be expected to use intelligence, and she thinks all women suffer the same lack of intelligence.
Let's look at some of the wicked bitch's thoughts...
On Ray Rice hitting his fiancee and knocking her out...
Response to Throd (Reply #1)Thu Jul 24, 2014, 11:57 AM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,435 posts)
2. It's ****ing sick. Domestic violence is not taken seriously. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5284932
But she's all for ripping an innocent unborn baby to death.
On a pit bull being saved after being beaten nearly to death...
Response to baldguy (Original post)Mon Sep 29, 2014, 06:58 PM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,435 posts)
1. For every story of an attack, there are dozens of triumph
and thousands more of love. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025600042#post1
But if is was an innocent unborn baby she would've been there to support the beater.
On white lion babies...
Response to joeybee12 (Original post)Wed Feb 5, 2014, 12:16 PM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,438 posts)
2. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. I want to snuggle them! http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024448282#post2
But an innocent unborn HUMAN baby is for murdering.
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And the devil dances with glee. For now.
It's a death cult. They have never been anything else.
Quote from: freedumb2003b on Today at 01:29:12 PM
How can liberal philosophy about abortion be anything but "all women are sluts?"
Fixed and yes. But, don't say that. Ever.
H8r...... :-)
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Shout it, PeaceNikki. Speak for your party, loud and proud.
Every American needs to know that Democrats support abortion wholeheartedly, even post-birth abortions, where the abortionist would look the living babies in the eyes as he kills them.
(http://cdna.allaboutvision.com/i/news/baby-staring-280x186.jpg)
Reminds me of the absolute freak-out the death cult had over required ultrasound viewing prior to birth. They went spastic.
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Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 11:57 AM
Nay (7,736 posts)
33. I've never been reticent about saying that abortion is a positive thing. That's why
I never liked the phrase that abortion should be available but "rare." I didn't like it when Ms Clinton said that, because it suggests that abortion is bad, somehow. I never thought that myself.
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 12:34 PM
eggplant (2,078 posts)
41. The right to abortion is meaningless without the means to get one. Please give generously.
http://www.fundabortionnow.org/
New to abortion funding? It’s all here – where we are, how we got here, and how we can reverse more than three decades of discrimination against women living in poverty. Sure, there’s a lot you can learn, but the most important thing is what you already know: Women’s lives matter. That’s why we need to fund abortion. It’s why we need to overturn the Hyde Amendment and every other obstacle that stands between a woman and the abortion she needs. It’s why we need you.
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 01:04 PM
pansypoo53219 (10,787 posts)
63. i am WAY pro-abortion. we need to control population! i am pro darwin.
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 12:04 PM
marym625 (9,193 posts)
35. Not to disrespect you, but I would say I am not pro-abortion.
I am pro women. And until the parasite living inside her is outside her, she and only she has the right to control it. It's her body and **** anyone that tries to tell her what she can or cannot do with it
I am utterly speechless. :(
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The demographics of abortion suggest that had it never been legalized, tens of millions more safe democrat votes would exist today.
So now the democrat party is trying to replace that slaughter with live mexicans.
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I am utterly speechless, too, and sick to my stomach.
Star Member Starry Messenger (25,517 posts)
56. I got pregnant using a diaphragm.
I had an abortion. It's cheaper than raising a kid.
lobodons (979 posts)
36. Anti-Abortion rebuttal
Full Disclosure: This is not my opinion, but is what they will come back with. And no matter how hard you try, you will not be able to persuade them otherwise.
The anti-Abortion rebuttal would be: You do have the Choice in the matter. Close your legs.
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,444 posts)
37. That's not a rebuttal, that's a childish reply unworthy of further discussion.
The only response that would get would be an epic eye roll from me. And if it were an actual attempt at a rebuttal on DU, an alert as well.
Unable to reply. So she alerts.
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As I read this filth posted by the DUmmies, all I have to do is look at my 2 grandsons playing with their Legos on my living room floor to realize how evil the DUmmies and their pro abortion beliefs are.
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As I read this filth posted by the DUmmies, all I have to do is look at my 2 grandsons playing with their Legos on my living room floor to realize how evil the DUmmies and their pro abortion beliefs are.
Apparently she has a child.
Response to hue (Original post)Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:25 AM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,451 posts)
6. Very quick glance at data entry errors they made on my family:
They spelled my son's name wrong and it's A) a common name and B) pretty clear
They entered zip code wrong for my son, which could/would flag it - and it is right on petition - I am looking at scanned copy
The spelled put "Menomonee Galls" as municipality for my dad.... that's not what is written
Oh, and they listed my son and 2 of my best friends on the "Questionable" list. WTF does that mean?!?! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1084&pid=1397
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Never forget that this sickening evil is posted on a site run by David Allen,husband to Shelly Moskwa who has close ties to Hillary and her campaigns.
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Star Member PeaceNikki (23,444 posts)
37. That's not a rebuttal, that's a childish reply unworthy of further discussion.
The only response that would get would be an epic eye roll from me. And if it were an actual attempt at a rebuttal on DU, an alert as well.
Unable to reply keep her legs together. So she alerts. FIFY Karin
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Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
Star Member PeaceNikki (23,418 posts)
2.)I am pro-abortion, not just pro-choice: 10 reasons why we must support the procedure and the choice
I believe that abortion care is a positive social good -- and I think it’s time people said so ~VALERIE TARICO
1.) Recently, the Daily Kos published an article titled I Am Pro-Choice, Not Pro-Abortion. “Has anyone ever truly been pro-abortion?†one commenter asked.
Uh. Yes. Me. That would be me.
1.) Years ago I decided that in posts referring to those who euphemistically call themselves, "Pro-Choice," I would instead say, "Pro-Abortion". And would continue to do so so long as the MSM and Pro-Abortion pols lyingly label Pro-Life people, "Anti-Abortion". I don't imagine I'm particularly significant, but evidently a good number of Pro-Life people must be doing the same - enough to rattle the cage of some Kosling. My rebellion against the MSM aside, those who term themselves,"Pro-Choice," in fact enable and encourage abortions.
2.) Wow! An Pro-Abort who is honest enough to state what is obviously true. [The Fainting Smilie I Hoped We Have]
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I am pro-abortion like I’m pro-knee-replacement and pro-chemotherapy and pro-cataract surgery.
Analogies that are not analogous. Few people needing knee replacements got to that point by their own careless choice. Very few people needing chemotherapy got to that point by their own careless choice. Virtually none of the people needing cataract surgery got to that point by their own careless choice.
Promiscuity is a choice (or series of choices).
Not having a knee replacement will lead to inability to walk; not having cataract surgery means going blind; not having chemotherapy makes dying of the particular cancer a near certainty.
Women who give birth to their babies have the option of giving up that child for adoption.
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Once the roof is blown off and the masks needed because the truth sickens normal people are thrown down.
Response to Novara (Reply #9)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 12:44 PM
eggplant (2,082 posts)
49. Saying "Abortion should be rare" is like saying "Root canal should be rare".
I agree. The "rare" part of the standard rallying cry is somewhat offensive. If abortion is ok (and it is), then people can STFU with the shaming. Women need to be able to have whatever safe, legal procedures they want without having to justify it to some moral authority.
Response to eggplant (Reply #49)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 02:07 PM
calimary (38,488 posts)
81. GOOD one. We just absolutely have to STOP using the enemy's memes and messaging and framings.
We HAVE TO STOP doing that. Because otherwise we're forced to fight THEIR way, on THEIR ground, on THEIR rules. And when that's the situation, we've already lost.
Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #31)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 12:36 PM
enlightenment (8,246 posts)
44. Indeed.
I've never understood why we need to dance around this issue, as if we are afraid of the word abortion. Frankly, it comes down to a very simple idea. You either agree or disagree with the deliberate termination of a pregnancy.
You are either for it or against it. All of the nuance and parsing and "well, but" or "yes, until" addenda in the world are meaningless. You support abortion or you don't. Full stop.
Why and when a woman chooses to abort is irrelevant to the position someone else takes. The moment someone who claims to be "pro-choice" says that limits aren't wrong, they move to the other side of the line, whether they think so or not.
The only choice is between a woman and her medical provider. If she includes someone else in that process, that's part of her choice.
That woman's choice is not for me to decide. My only choice is to support abortion or not.
I support abortion.
Do you demand child support from the father?
I bet you do.
Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #45)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 12:43 PM
enlightenment (8,246 posts)
48. Thank you, PeaceNikki.
This discussion is long overdue - and I, for one, am tired of *****-footing around it.
We definitely need to own this.
Oh please do.
Response to zazen (Reply #38)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 03:11 PM
Donald Ian Rankin (12,299 posts)
94. A life, but not a person.
Yes, a foetus is alive.
But until it's developed a mind, it's not a person.
I believe that the reason human life has value and computers, say, don't is that we are self-aware. Until the mind is there, a foetus is living tissue, arguably even a living being, but certainly not a person, and its only value comes from its potential to become a person, and its value to others. It doesn't have any value to itself, because there is no "self" for it to have value to yet.
Response to Ino (Reply #58)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 03:41 PM
eggplant (2,082 posts)
101. Childbirth is *far* more invasive.
And if a woman chooses to use abortion as their primary means of birth control, that is THEIR RIGHT. Period. End of discussion.
Either the procedure is legal, or it is not. You could make the same argument that one tattoo is ok, but not 10. It is only the public shaming associated with abortion that is different.
My God.
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Dear Lord!
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Dear Lord!
New to the primitives of Skins's island, and so the attitude's a shock to you, sir?
:-)
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But they'd want to imprison a normal person who cleans out a nest of sparrow chicks.
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But they'd want to imprison a normal person who cleans out a nest of sparrow chicks.
One has to be careful when evaluating the true character of a primitive.
It wasn't until the late Tangerine LaBamba showed up here in the middle of the night December 17, 2009, and exposed the true nature of the hippywife primitive, Mrs. Alfred Packer, that I myself finally got around to realizing that.
<<<a slow learner.
<<<but at least when "gets it," gets it with a vengeance.
Skippy, the NYC_SKP primitive, for example, impresses most as simply a cherubic older middle-aged guy with good sentiments for everybody, but when one reads his entire posting history on Skins's island--as I was compelled to do after he criticized franksolich over a meaningless error--one suddenly becomes aware one's seeing the reincarnation of Reinhard Heydrich, perhaps the worst of Hitler's socialists.
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But they'd want to imprison a normal person who cleans out a nest of sparrow chicks.
Yes and hug those who strap inhuman bombs on and run towards decent and civilized people.
Or would happily jail all those that recognize the real agenda behind the gloBULL warming scam.
The DUmp of Mr Mopskwa is the home of sadistic evil.
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Donald Ian Rankin (12,299 posts)
94. A life, but not a person.
Yes, a foetus is alive.
But until it's developed a mind, it's not a person.
I believe that the reason human life has value and computers, say, don't is that we are self-aware. Until the mind is there, a foetus is living tissue, arguably even a living being, but certainly not a person, and its only value comes from its potential to become a person, and its value to others. It doesn't have any value to itself, because there is no "self" for it to have value to yet.
Really?
Prove a newborn infant is a "person".
Prove a 2YO is a "person".
Prove a 20YO is a "person".
Prove you are a "person". To my satisfaction.
An implanted embryo is at the earliest stage of a continuous process that, unless interrupted concludes with death in old age. There is no magical step in between, where the "blob of cells" that was not a human being suddenly becomes one.
Like DU feminazis are saying, stop playing word games and admit that abortion kills a human being, almost always for the sake of some egg donor's and/or sperm donor's convenience.
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Someone fluent in DUmpese might have to spell this out for me...
Response to PeaceNikki (Original post)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
Star Member bettyellen (26,715 posts)
1. Excellent post- thank you. So disheartening how many Dems waffle on this.
I hold them all accountable for the erosion of women's reproductive freedom.
When a woman gets's an abortion it's the opposite of reproduction, at least from my narrow minded conservative viewpoint.
So therefore it can't impinge on reproductive freedom to oppose abortion.
That is unless someone can explain where my reasoning is going wrong.
By the way, in case someone can't tell...I intensely dislike the phrase "reproductive freedom" being synonymous with abortion.
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I just finished doing some research on the DUmmies' opinions on animals. If only they could show one-hundredth of the concern for humans babies.
The more I think about the baby killing bastards the angrier I get so instead of writing a long rant about the evil sluts and the alleged males who support them I'll just say that DUmmies have been around since Biblical times.
Micah 3:2 - but you are the very ones who hate good and love evil. You skin my people alive and tear the flesh from their bones.
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Response to Ino (Reply #58)
Sat Apr 25, 2015, 03:41 PM
eggplant (2,082 posts)
101. Childbirth is *far* more invasive.
And if a woman chooses to use abortion as their primary means of birth control, that is THEIR RIGHT. Period. End of discussion.
Either the procedure is legal, or it is not. You could make the same argument that one tattoo is ok, but not 10. It is only the public shaming associated with abortion that is different.
Satan truly walks among us and has many disciples in the DEMONrat party. :bird:
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I never realized how soulless a person could be until I read those posts. Especially the two (parasite & birth control=abortion). I'm really sad for those people. To feel that way about life means you are beyond miserable. :(
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Satan truly walks among us and has many disciples in the DEMONrat party. :bird:
With adherents like the modern day progs, very little work is left over for Satan to do.
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I just finished doing some research on the DUmmies' opinions on animals. If only they could show one-hundredth of the concern for humans babies.
The more I think about the baby killing bastards the angrier I get so instead of writing a long rant about the evil sluts and the alleged males who support them I'll just say that DUmmies have been around since Biblical times.
Micah 3:2 - but you are the very ones who hate good and love evil. You skin my people alive and tear the flesh from their bones.
Indeed! Isaiah went into detail:
Isaiah 5:18-20 Woe to those who drag iniquity with the cords of falsehood, And sin as if with cart ropes; Who say, "Let Him make speed, let Him hasten His work, that we may see it; And let the purpose of the Holy One of Israel draw near And come to pass, that we may know it!" Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink, Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away the rights of the ones who are in the right! (NASB)
It's almost like Isaiah lived next door to some of these Lib/Prog folks!
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But until it's developed a mind, it's not a person.
By that standard the entire DUmp is disqualified from being people.
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I never realized how soulless a person could be until I read those posts. Especially the two (parasite & birth control=abortion). I'm really sad for those people. To feel that way about life means you are beyond miserable. :(
H-5!
I heard the unborn baby = parasite sewage several years ago, and it is a sick, breathtaking, jaw-dropper. OTOH, you've been focusing on more important people, joys PN isn't likely to enjoy. The ideologues PN is parroting are so focused on their little I wants that they probably don't realize that they are former (?) parasites. Nor that 1YOs and 10YOs and 16YOs are as or more dependent on their parents that are unborn babies. (Insert Pitt trust fund joke here)
Ideologues like this don't give a @#$% about how destructive what they want will be. They. Want. It.