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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on April 22, 2015, 09:59:43 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026544417
Oh my.
alp227 (28,838 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:16 PM
I think some protest tactics like blocking walkways hurt more than help progressive causes......
Okay, never mind the rest of it, or most of the thread.
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:59 PM
35. I cover this shit
and the faces of utter surprise, like who allowed those people take to the streets, from mostly white middle class folks is always the best part. You know why? They are not saying it, not why they are around, but they are thinking it.
Chew on that one for a second.
oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:02 PM
38. There are plenty of middle class and rich white people protesting
And plenty of working class black people who aren't because they have to, you know, go to work.
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:08 PM
42. I am talking of my local experience
most if the protesters are working class, black and brown, with some white allies. Most of the folks with mouths agape are white. That might not be happening up the road from me but your mileage will vary on that.
Hell. Some of the inside discussion among activists includes things like it is quite privileged to ask workers ( who are coming out) to protest minimum wage. Same shit, different cause for black lives matter.
Now locally both are now connected at the hip. And the latest of mouths agape was actually at SDSU. Hell, a couple of the very white and male members of the business school (students) were so aghast at this...who let them occupy our campus and interrupt our dinner, that they gave anybody who cared to listen an earful.
oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:14 PM
45. Gotcha
I guess a lot depends on the location.
I just am wondering if the situation was that many people of color were being inconvenienced while many of the protesters were white if that would make a difference in your perspective on this.
In NYC, for instance, there was an Occupy Movement action that seemed to break along those lines (i.e. protesters mostly white, inconvenienced mostly people of color).
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:22 PM
51. I just observe and report
here in San Diego when they took the I-15, we were sick as puppies, woof, so we got to listen to radio traffic, drivers were not that annoyed. Next morning on I-5 it was working class ( father of 5 was late, AA) vs the African Student Coalition at UCSD and add the annoyed mostly medical personnel.
Of course, seeing how local media looks for those complainers, which you will find everywhere, close up...I got my doubts either the applause or complaints are that deep. But at least locally that whole thing got people talking at the supermarket and other places.
This is my observation, but as the days went on and large media came out, the divisions and perceptions somewhat deepened, but never along clear racial lines, but rather along class lines.
Things you learn when you watch major media work close and personal. A lot of this is perception management. Why I tend to go old school and just describe what we see...and keep my feeling to myself.
oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:25 PM
54. Thanks for sharing that
It is always fascinating to read first hand account like that one!
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oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:02 PM
62. Like making it impossible for a person in a wheelchair to get to their job?
Because that is a little more significant than not being able to drink tea for a while. And that is what the OP is actually talking about. A person in a wheelchair literally being unable to get into a building where they need to go for their job because the only accessible entrance is inaccessible.
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:25 PM
63. I did not post it, but we have had
people on wheelchairs, and crutches at protests.
Hell, Joe Riley is a local vet of D-Day... paratrooper, of the 501, not quite Easy company. And he is a regular at these things.
And I am not quite sure what point you are trying to make there. Yeah, some people ARE INDEED inconvenienced, but every social protest movement in the US has gotten somewhere when some people ARE indeed inconvenienced.
From what I read in national media and some recent reactions by DAs who are starting to charge officers (now let's see if a Jury convicts), these activists are starting to get some results.
Again, this is my observation from following this social justice matter closely.
oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:51 PM
65. Can exceptions be made?
Is there a way to run an effective social protest while also allowing for special consideration to be made for persons who require those accommodations? That is to say, inconvenience some people but not those with extenuating circumstances (such as allowing someone to get through if it would be dangerous for them to go around the other way, an elderly person let's say.)
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:00 PM
67. And who is telling you that this is not happening?
People do move out of the way for ambulances running code. People open the way for handicapped folks. You are actually going, returning to what I told you about media and image management, to what you have seen published by large media.
It is like Occupy camps that were full of druggies, getting high, and rapes. except they were not. They were raucous places, at times not that clean, because keeping the plaza clean when you have 1000 people living on it can be a challenge. But they were not full of violence, or drugs, or anything like that. Of all the things media told you, the "my god they are attracting the homeless" is true. But when you feed homeless, it tends to attract homeless.
The media plays this role as well, their job is to slam on the social justice movement, until it is cool and profitable, to tell you another story of the movement, insert movement here. This is not Cronkyte's CBS. A lot of this false reporting is first posted in places like Breitbart.com, again I have seen that. Then it is picked up by a middling local network, and off to the races we go, since it is removed from Breitbart by at least one degree.
This happens regularly. Of course, my local activists these days KNOW who the breitbart guy\gal are and not just not talk to them, they have been asked to leave.
You are all for LGBT righs... please think back to how a certain group of riots were presented by media in the 1980s, or AIDS for that matter, the gay disease. It is the last 10 years when media switched how they are presenting this, because in spite of their best dang efforts, people are starting to get it. And they are starting to get it after we had more than just some nice coffee discussions in the upper East Side of NYC.
Before that, you had a lot of work, and quite a bit involved inconveniencing people.
oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:12 PM
69. From the OP
I am just going on what was posted in the OP here. Maybe it's BS, I don't know.
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:33 PM
72. A lot of it is media management
The same shit was done during the civil rights movement, until the national media got involved.
The same happened with Cesar Chavez, again until he (and his folks) could get larege regional and national media. Once they did that, off to the races we go with the grape boycott. It happened to gays and women as well, it continues to by the way.
A lot of it is also how people feel personally threatened by the changes that are demanded by each civil rights movement. (or rather each stage, I personally see them as a continuum).
Frederick Douglas, who people locally keep quoting, put it best. And this is the full quote, by the way.
“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.â€
You have a lot of conflicting narratives, because of very well known, NOW issues of explicit and implicit bias. Hey, I know that if I take the implicit bias test, in spite of the fact that I try to be conscious of it, I will come out as somebody who has issues with race. Why? You, I, the OP, everybody, absorbs those racists messages every day.
Right now the PoC are asking nothing short than the end of the prison industrial system, the war on drugs, the criminalization of rap, and to be treated equally by the legal system. Mind you, some of these issues affect outlier groups among whites (like drug users,), but what they are asking is also for good schools, good jobs, the end of deindustrialization, and the end of being told they are worth less by society.
Some young people are extremely alienated from the majority culture and are currently forming into New Panther Party patrols. Now that could really be inconvenient, if you happen to be middle class and white and male. And that is already becoming a stressor both within the movements and especially with police officers. For some odd reason having patrols of young black men, and it is mostly men, is not playing well with them.
I hear this language and I am now increasingly agreeing with them, what we have is a system of white supremacy and they are asking for nothing short than the end of it. This is a full on challenge to the system that we all live under. So I do not expect every "progressive" or "liberal" to be in favor of it. This has none to do with the dem-republican narrative either. Or progressives, versus conservatives. This has all to do with a demand for change to a system that we all participate in.
So why do you think the media is creating these false narratives? And I expect people to swallow them. Fear is powerful, You hit the streets for long enough, and do extensive reading and you get truly over the narratives at places like DU\ Free Republic, et al. They are, from the point of view of the oppressed, as false as a three dollar bill.
What the OP is doing is repeating many of those false narratives, Some have a grain of truth somewhere... in one or two demonstrations out of thousands that have occurred so far in the last six months. Perhaps we are up to tens of thousands nationwide by now. Most have ten people or less... just being visible with signs.
One thing that many of the leaders, young and all, are extremely aware off... since they grew up online, is how their actions can be taken out of context or used against them. The level of media sophistication from this group is much higher than even the occupiers, The average age is also lower, and we are talking four years later. So every one of these movements will be more sophisticated regarding media. That is a prediction of mine, but that has to do with the fact they are growing with it.
I will say this though, some of the leaders are making serious mistakes... but that is a whole different story.
oberliner (28,868 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:42 PM
73. Thank you for sharing that
It was a very informative read!
nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 07:45 PM
74. You welcome
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That's some crunchy shit, there.
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That's some crunchy shit, there.
Or, in the modern nadinese: that be some crunchy shit, there.
You welcome.
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Oh for ****s face. :thatsright:
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Or, in the modern nadinese: that be some crunchy shit, there.
You welcome.
I am talking of my local experience. I just observe and report.
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"Chew on that one for a second"...I did...now I have a toothache.
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nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:59 PM
35. I cover this shit
and the faces of utter surprise, like who allowed those people take to the streets, from mostly white middle class folks is always the best part. You know why? They are not saying it, not why they are around, but they are thinking it.
Chew on that one for a second.
Now she can read peoples thoughts, she's practically a supperhero.
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Nadin, the Candy Crowley of the underworld.
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alp227 (28,838 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 04:16 PM
I think some protest tactics like blocking walkways hurt more than help progressive causes......
Hark! A lucid thought ... on DU! Must! Bury! In! Blather!!!
This dude(-ette) is dangerous. :ohnoes: What if some one makes the connection to the BLM's tactic of harassing people in restaurants! :ohnoes:
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nadinbrzezinski (135,908 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:08 PM
42. I am talking of my local experience
most if the protesters are working class, black and brown, with some white allies. Most of the folks with mouths agape are white. That might not be happening up the road from me but your mileage will vary on that.
Hell. Some of the inside discussion among activists includes things like it is quite privileged to ask workers ( who are coming out) to protest minimum wage. Same shit, different cause for black lives matter.
Now locally both are now connected at the hip. And the latest of mouths agape was actually at SDSU. Hell, a couple of the very white and male members of the business school (students) were so aghast at this...who let them occupy our campus and interrupt our dinner, that they gave anybody who cared to listen an earful.
Odometer psychic.
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Oh for petes sake. :thatsright:
That oberliner DUoche has got a double lip lock on gNad's ass, sooooo tight, it'll take a couple Clydsdales pulling on him? to break the suction.
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I'll bet Crazy Miriam is really loving nutcase nadin these days:
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,914 posts)
13. I am running a San Diego based paper
I understand that these articles are not commonly written.
this is the kind of shit that keeps me busy.
At times I crack myself up
And yes, I have to read far more into the subject.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026544021#post21
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Tue Apr 21, 2015, 03:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (135,914 posts)
13. I am running a San Diego based paper
I understand that these articles are not commonly written.
this is the kind of shit that keeps me busy.
At times I crack myself up
And yes, I have to read far more into the subject.
I guess it's time for a resume update. :whatever:
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I guess it's time for a resume update. :whatever:
A promotion!
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I guess it's time for a resume update. :whatever:
What paper does she run? The moonbat daily?
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She has the runs and uses newspaper to wipe with.....that's so 1920ish.
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What paper does she run? The moonbat daily?
Her "paper" is a website / blog. Saying that really irritates her, but below is one possibility of what the result would look like if you attempted to fold her "paper" up. Does the below look like a "paper"?
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh497/FlippyDoo1/foldedipad_zps591b9c4e.jpg)
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nadin's "paper" is sort of like the drunken Pitt's "New York Times bestseller".
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She really is having an affair with herself, isn't she?
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She's back...
Bigger badder, and crunchier than ever.
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She's back...
Bigger, badder, and crunchier than ever.
She gets any bigger, she won't fit on the internet. :rotf:
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^Heh.
In fact that's worth 2 hehs.
Heh heh.