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Title: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: dutch508 on April 06, 2015, 03:49:05 AM
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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118713555

Crowdsourcing research
Looking at RAP and hip hop and how it has been used by prosecutors. Some actually surprise me, Loretta Lynch comes to mind.

Three months ago I would have been shocked if you told me that prosecutors are trying to burn young men for the music they produce. At this point, nope... not one bit. It is what it is. But I am guessing most folks would be very surprised outside the neighborhoods.

Just downloaded Pulse of the People. I am working under one crazy theory, (which I do not think is that crazy), that this is not just gansta rap that is problematic (fun fact, very popular among white middle class kids, don't ask me why, just one of those fun facts I discovered). It is becuase it is music of self identification, political awareness and self worth. We can't have that after all.

Think how rock and roll was seen as deviant when it started. I could go on.

So any recommended reading, in particular statistics, will be good.

Realize, trying hard to raise some awareness OUTSIDE the African American community of what is going on.


 :rotf:

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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
7. Downloaded the album

as well as my local, rapper faced the judge, tiny doo
The album is out, was out over a year before the murders they wanted to charge with him having anything to do with. because, well Rap

 
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sheshe2 (22,954 posts)
4. Thanks nadin for bringing this to light.

I'm listening.


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMkEMCHtJ4#t=38[/youtube]

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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
11. With some of the background already done this does not shock me or surprise me. This is music of resistance and telling the story of the Bronx in this case. This is inside a very long tradition in the culture. Read the link to an amicus I just posted bellow. It will save me a lot of work. It is a very well put together history and meaning of rap. I am truly looking forwards to reading JZ decoded, 


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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
13. TOmorrow will start this.

More as a series of articles... I think it is time. But still need to do a lot of work before even outlining a thing 


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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
10. I will share this tour de force from the United States Supreme Court

http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/supreme_court_preview/BriefsV4/13-983_pet_amcu_mbbfap.authcheckdam.pdf

Rap has reached the heights of the SCOTUS a few times. This Amicus brief is an absolute read.

And can any of you imagine the SCOTUS reading this? I can't
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on April 06, 2015, 07:06:22 AM
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It is becuase it is music of self identification, political awareness and self worth. We can't have that after all.

Even you're not that stupid...... wait.  :thatsright:

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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
13. TOmorrow will start this.

More as a series of articles... I think it is time.

DU-RAP! DU-RAP! DU-RAP!

What utter nonsense...........  :mental:

cRap has been around for more than 30 years.  If it's not a thing yet, it never will be.  Yes, white wannabe ganstas like cRap.  Dave Chapelle lampooned that almost 20 years ago, (D)warf.  Dump the little bitchez in the middle of impact zone Detroit and see how long they wish to continue.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: miskie on April 06, 2015, 07:41:45 AM
Is Nads reporting to us live from 1983 ? I suppose next she will tell us about how break dancing has replaced gangbanging.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Big Dog on April 06, 2015, 07:55:33 AM
All this time, I thought gNads has been sitting at home, muttering at the scanner and fuming about being bullied at the DUmp.

No, she has been undercover in San Diego's brutal Hip-Hop culture the whole time!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoOEF1RWCck[/youtube]

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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
13. TOmorrow will start this.

More as a series of articles... I think it is time. But still need to do a lot of work before even outlining a thing

TOmorrow. TOmorrow! I can hardly wait. This is like Christmas Eve!
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: SVPete on April 06, 2015, 09:56:47 AM
I'd rate this 4 1/2  :thatsright:'s, just to leave room for something even more fatuous and silly.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: obumazombie on April 06, 2015, 10:36:01 AM
I wonder how much the "rap community" raps about hail.
As an aside, I might have used "hate quotes" in that sentence.
I am on the edge of a quotes phenomena I haven't quite perceived yet.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: SVPete on April 06, 2015, 10:42:12 AM
I wonder how much the "rap community" raps about hail.
As an aside, I might have used "hate quotes" in that sentence.
I am on the edge of a quotes phenomena I haven't quite perceived yet.

I enj ..... errrrr ..... suffer from hyphenitis and am trying to become a recovering commaholic.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: obumazombie on April 06, 2015, 10:54:31 AM
I enj ..... errrrr ..... suffer from hyphenitis and am trying to become a recovering commaholic.

"Jake Jarmel"...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKn8RlD7Is[/youtube]

"My sweatshirt" !!!

"Clark Bar" !!!
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: 67 Rover on April 06, 2015, 12:36:41 PM
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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/118713555

Crowdsourcing research
Looking at RAP and hip hop and how it has been used by prosecutors. Some actually surprise me, Loretta Lynch comes to mind.

Three months ago I would have been shocked if you told me that prosecutors are trying to burn young men for the music they produce. At this point, nope... not one bit. It is what it is. But I am guessing most folks would be very surprised outside the neighborhoods.

Just downloaded Pulse of the People. I am working under one crazy theory, (which I do not think is that crazy), that this is not just gansta rap that is problematic (fun fact, very popular among white middle class kids, don't ask me why, just one of those fun facts I discovered). It is becuase it is music of self identification, political awareness and self worth. We can't have that after all.

Think how rock and roll was seen as deviant when it started. I could go on.

So any recommended reading, in particular statistics, will be good.

Realize, trying hard to raise some awareness OUTSIDE the African American community of what is going on.

Yea, good times and good memories of Elvis and the Beatles singing about killing cops, drugs and smacking the bi*ches around.    :whatever:
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: GOBUCKS on April 06, 2015, 01:18:02 PM
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this does not shock me or surprise me.

The nutcase is back in mid-season form.

She's flexing her brain, stretching her muscles in backwaters like this ghetto forum, but soon she'll assume her rightful place at the pinnacle of the DUmp.

She's tanned, rested, and ready.


Giving orders, misspelling words, back in the saddle.
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Read the link to an amicus I just posted bellow. It will save me a lot of work.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Skul on April 06, 2015, 03:04:09 PM
The bully sharks are mustering the masses.
Rending of the dwarf will begin shortly.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: tanstaafl on April 06, 2015, 03:33:19 PM
The nutcase is back in mid-season form.

She's flexing her brain, stretching her muscles in backwaters like this ghetto forum, but soon she'll assume her rightful place at the pinnacle of the DUmp.

She's tanned, rested, and ready.


Giving orders, misspelling words, back in the saddle.

I just realized that the 2015 Baseball Season also started yesterday! And my St. Louis Cardinals stand, alone, at the top of the heap.

I give her until the All Star Game. She'll peter out by then.

The Bullies will not be denied!
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: obumazombie on April 06, 2015, 09:04:48 PM
I used to resent cousin nadin's bullies.
Now I'm seeing they might be on to something
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: landofconfusion80 on April 06, 2015, 09:17:28 PM
Even you're not that stupid...... wait.  :thatsright:

DU-RAP! DU-RAP! DU-RAP!

What utter nonsense...........  :mental:

cRap has been around for more than 30 years.  If it's not a thing yet, it never will be.  Yes, white wannabe ganstas like cRap.  Dave Chapelle lampooned that almost 20 years ago, (D)warf.  Dump the little bitchez in the middle of impact zone Detroit and see how long they wish to continue.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNrZmqAB11w[/youtube]
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: HawkHogan on April 06, 2015, 09:45:50 PM
Yea, good times and good memories of Elvis and the Beatles singing about killing cops, drugs and smacking the bi*ches around.    :whatever:

Exactly.

That comparison by Nadin was absolutely moronic.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Gina on April 06, 2015, 10:12:10 PM


 :rotf:
 
 

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMkEMCHtJ4#t=38[/youtube]
I could actually understand those lyrics  :rotf: he's the Frigging Mozart of rap :lol:
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on April 07, 2015, 12:10:45 AM
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It is becuase it is music of self identification, political awareness and self worth.

Hardly.  It is the music of unfocused rage, sociopathy, and amoral, unchecked narcissism.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Bad Dog on April 07, 2015, 12:20:59 AM
Hardly.  It is the music of unfocused rage, sociopathy, and amoral, unchecked narcissism.

Can't dance to it either.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: AllosaursRus on April 07, 2015, 01:22:15 PM
Can't dance to it either.

There's a reason us RedNecks call it "CRAP"!

I see NadaBrain is still living up to her reputation of bein' one of the stand out stooooopid morons at the DUmp! Do they have a contest or sumpin'?

Some things never change.

BTW, I'm a devout Zeplin fan and never heard them once sing about killin' cops! Hell, even Black Sabath make these "crappers" look like complete idiots! Close as we ever got to degrading women was Dillon's Lay Lady Lay or Stewart's Maggie May!
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 07, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
There's a reason us RedNecks call it "CRAP"!

I see NadaBrain is still living up to her reputation of bein' one of the stand out stooooopid morons at the DUmp! Do they have a contest or sumpin'?

Some things never change.

BTW, I'm a devout Zeplin fan and never heard them once sing about killin' cops! Hell, even Black Sabath make these "crappers" look like complete idiots! Close as we ever got to degrading women was Dillon's Lay Lady Lay or Stewart's Maggie May!

Go to the "What are you listening to?" thread in the Lounge, Allo.  There's a version of Ann Wilson of Heart doing "Stairway To Heaven" that brought tears to Robert Plant's eyes (yes, he was there).  It is awesome.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: AllosaursRus on April 07, 2015, 08:40:06 PM
Go to the "What are you listening to?" thread in the Lounge, Allo.  There's a version of Ann Wilson of Heart doing "Stairway To Heaven" that brought tears to Robert Plant's eyes (yes, he was there).  It is awesome.

Yeah, brought tears to my eyes first time I heard it. I saw Heart before Nancy ballooned out to blimp status. Back when Barracuda was in the top 40. Ann is still HOT! Still got a crush on that babe! Good looker and plays guitar! Can't ask for a better fantasy!
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: longview on April 07, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
Granted, Nads is a nutcase, as is the rest of the DUmp. but day-umn, there is a piece of me that feels sorry for the hood rats.  Those at the DUmp have never done anything good for anybody.

I was a street urchin, once upon a time, and I hitchhiked out of there.  I wonder what the difference between me and anyone else who doesn't like the life there is? 

I feel like throwing them a rope and yelling "Come on!  Grab hold!  You can live a better life!"  But they don't.  I've sponsored a couple kids, and I'm only at 50% success rate.   :???:  And that took a couple run ins with the cops, which I let them go through.  Never offered to help on those deals.   Actually, both the young guys are doing okay now.  I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, kind of.

I had some of the kids' family out.  One of the younger ones saw me making pancakes and just laughed and laughed.  "She thinks she can make pancakes!  Don't they got no stores out here?"  The older brother came in and showed off his ability to flip them in a pan.  That took a lot of practice for him with half and dozen rubbery old pancakes one day.

They don't know nothin' when they leave the hood.

Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart with a big wall around it, for people who live there.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Rebel on April 07, 2015, 11:33:00 PM
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nadinbrzezinski (135,451 posts)
11. With some of the background already done this does not shock me or surprise me. This is music of resistance and telling the story of the Bronx in this case. This is inside a very long tradition in the culture. Read the link to an amicus I just posted bellow. It will save me a lot of work. It is a very well put together history and meaning of rap. I am truly looking forwards to reading JZ decoded

I feel ya dog. All about da struggle...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APBvUG0QqXk[/youtube]

Just gotta keeps it real.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Mr Mannn on April 07, 2015, 11:36:53 PM
It takes a nadin to school blacks on their own music.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: AllosaursRus on April 08, 2015, 12:19:11 AM
Granted, Nads is a nutcase, as is the rest of the DUmp. but day-umn, there is a piece of me that feels sorry for the hood rats.  Those at the DUmp have never done anything good for anybody.

I was a street urchin, once upon a time, and I hitchhiked out of there.  I wonder what the difference between me and anyone else who doesn't like the life there is? 

I feel like throwing them a rope and yelling "Come on!  Grab hold!  You can live a better life!"  But they don't.  I've sponsored a couple kids, and I'm only at 50% success rate.   :???:  And that took a couple run ins with the cops, which I let them go through.  Never offered to help on those deals.   Actually, both the young guys are doing okay now.  I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop, kind of.

I had some of the kids' family out.  One of the younger ones saw me making pancakes and just laughed and laughed.  "She thinks she can make pancakes!  Don't they got no stores out here?"  The older brother came in and showed off his ability to flip them in a pan.  That took a lot of practice for him with half and dozen rubbery old pancakes one day.

They don't know nothin' when they leave the hood.

Anyway, I have a soft spot in my heart with a big wall around it, for people who live there.

Trust me, we've tried over and over. There have been a few willing to actually debate, but for the most part they hide in their protected little hive.

What gets me is the censorship they put up with, while at the same time, calling everyone else closed-minded. The DUmp is a contradiction of it's own terms.

They'll be the first ones to cry foul if anyone disagrees with their warped philosophy.

They forever sound and act like 5 year old's who if they don't get their way, they take their ball and go home. Then tattle on everyone else. Snitch or snatch, you decide.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: Movie buff- The Sequel on April 08, 2015, 07:31:12 AM
". It is becuase it is music of self identification, political awareness and self worth."
As I make it a point to avoid gangsta (c)rap music whenever possible, someone please help answer this question:
How do open glamorization of brutal violence and murder, open glamorization of rape and misogyny, and barking out the words "B*tch" and "N*gg*r" every 8 seconds or so qualify as "Self identification, political awareness, and self- worth"?

When I worked as a loader at a UPS hub (Or as I euphemistically called it, "The Fifth Layer of Hell"; Basically, imagine the 'I Love Lucy' candy conveyor belt scene taking place at 3 AM or earlier with the chocolates replaced with packages, often large and heavy packages), we were allowed to play radios or MP3 players while we worked if we wanted. A guy stationed across the belt from me one day loudly played this horrible gangsta (c)rap song in which, as I guess part of the melody/ rhythm, every 8 seconds, you'd hear the sound of a gun cocking and firing twice. Listening to that, all I could think of was an old youth group friend of mine, a real good kid with everything going for him, who 9 years ago was killed in a botched carjacking before he could even graduate high school by some punk who wanted his car and the $16.00 in his wallet and didn't want to leave any witnesses (Fortunately, the scumbag in question was caught soon afterwards, and hit with two life sentences; The fact that he entered a no- contest plea bargain was the only thing that kept his sorry butt off death row). My friend was apparently shot twice in the head, just like the rhythm to that freaking song. When we had a break, I asked my coworker if he could refrain from playing that revolting song in my presence again, and he quickly agreed, but I still couldn't help thinking how many more good, decent young people like my friend have been murdered by people (Of all races) who follow the kind of hideous, lawless lifestyle that gangsta (c)rap music openly glamorizes.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: SVPete on April 08, 2015, 09:52:19 AM
". It is becuase it is music of self identification, political awareness and self worth."
As I make it a point to avoid gangsta (c)rap music whenever possible, someone please help answer this question:
How do open glamorization of brutal violence and murder, open glamorization of rape and misogyny, and barking out the words "B*tch" and "N*gg*r" every 8 seconds or so qualify as "Self identification, political awareness, and self- worth"?

Well, from what I've read you could have added "Ho", but I think that "music" definitely is "self identification", just not in the sense nb meant (if she can mean anything).
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: BlueStateSaint on April 08, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
Yeah, brought tears to my eyes first time I heard it. I saw Heart before Nancy ballooned out to blimp status. Back when Barracuda was in the top 40. Ann is still HOT! Still got a crush on that babe! Good looker and plays guitar! Can't ask for a better fantasy!

Umm . . . Ann is the singer.

Nancy plays the guitar. :whistling:

Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: GOBUCKS on April 08, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
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How do open glamorization of brutal violence and murder, open glamorization of rape and misogyny, and barking out the words "B*tch" and "N*gg*r" every 8 seconds or so qualify as "Self identification, political awareness, and self- worth"?

I guess it's because that vulgar trash accurately represents and describes the culture that spawns it.
Title: Re: NADIN to School Black Forum on Hippity Hop!
Post by: AllosaursRus on April 08, 2015, 12:25:33 PM
Umm . . . Ann is the singer.

Nancy plays the guitar. :whistling:



I have an excuse, I'm old and my memory sucks! At least I still know Jimmy Page plays the tuba!