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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on March 31, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026441467
Oh my.
MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:32 AM
Imagine a Republican Administration and Congress in 2017
It's a worthwhile exercise for everyone. It bears thinking about in a serious way. Based on the stated goals of the Republicans currently in control of Congress and of the Republicans who have shown a strong interest in becoming President, here are some of the things I'd expect to happen if they controlled both the White House and Congress:
Repeal of the ACA with nothing at all to replace it.
Privatization of Social Security and Medicare.
Appointment of two conservative SCOTUS Justices at least.
National support for Voter ID laws and other voter restrictions.
Removing minimum wage requirements at the federal level.
Elimination of the estate tax.
Additional tax breaks for corporations and the richest Americans.
Repeal of many environmental laws.
Shutdowns of a number of major federal agencies, including the Department of Education, HHS, EPA. and the Labor Department.
Further limitations on unemployment benefits.
Privatization of medical care for Veterans.
Removal of regulations on bankers and other financial organizations.
Drastic reductions in Pell Grants and other aid to post-secondary education.
Bomb, Bomb Iran!
Movement toward a theocracy of conservative religious doctrines.
There are many other things on the Republican's agenda. None of them could be stopped if Republicans controlled two or even all three branches of government, and those changes would be almost impossible to reverse later. Everyone would be affected, and most gains that have been made in many areas would be reversed. Everyone's welcome to add to the list.
As we get closer to the 2016 election year, it seems to me that we should look closely at the goals of the Republican Party and work strongly together to prevent conservatives from gaining control of government. Only by uniting and working toward that goal do we have a chance to prevent such a thing from happening. I'm hoping we wake up and see the necessity of making sure we stop the Republicans in their tracks, before they destroy any chance of progress.
I'm all in on this goal. How about you?
upaloopa (6,274 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:36 AM
1. On the one hand it is realistic to think that
it is possible for the repubs to do exactly as you say.
On the other hand it is not realistic to expect that 2016 could bring about a new progressive era.
Yet people will be willing to risk the first hoping for the second.
MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:39 AM
3. You may be right about what we can expect from
electing a Democratic President. I'm not seeing an immediate progressive wave beginning in 2017. I'm more realistic than that. But I do see the possibility of something much worse than the slow progress we've made. I'm 69 years old. If Republicans gain and hold power for eight years, there's a good chance that's the last chance I'll have to see good things happen.
It's not a prospect I look forward to, I must say. Too much damage can be done unless we work to stop that from happening.
calimary (38,087 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:47 AM
5. I'm with you, MineralMan. I'll be 62 this year. If the GOP snatches the White House and holds enough
ground in Congress and the statehouses, WE. ARE. SCREWED. We won't see ANYTHING that furthers the greater good. FOR DECADES to come.
The idea that people here and elsewhere will insist that NOT voting if you don't get the EXACT PERFECT CHOICE YOU WANT - just ****ing terrifies me, MineralMan. You think you'll get anywhere near what you want by doing THAT??????? That THIS will be somehow a better wiser and/or more noble move?????????????????????????????????
MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:50 AM
6. It's a face-palm thing for me, too.
I simply don't get it at all. If I can't get everything I want, which is almost a certainty, I can do my best to block people who want to take everything away from me. I'll do whatever I can to prevent Republicans from gaining even more power. I'm not up for 8 years of disastrous policy making. Nope.
Johonny (12,487 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:57 AM
9. It isn't the fear of seeing aNnything that furthers the greater good. FOR DECADES to come.
It is the fact of removing anything we do now for the greater good that seems to be point of the list. It would be decades just to fix the huge damage they would do in one four year period. I can't imagine the job loss, economic crash, unnecessary deaths,... that would result from a GOP sweep. A whole generation would be screwed and the country would clearly be an also ran in the world if those policies are put in place. Will it happen? Good God who votes for that shit is my question.
valerief (44,008 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:36 AM
2. We'll be Northeast Korea.
MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:40 AM
4. Something like that, anyhow.
The US run by its own Taliban. Not a pretty picture.
1StrongBlackMan (18,305 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:52 AM
7. Count me in! ...
republican control of the House, Senate and Presidency AND the SCOTUS will result in an American in which I do not wish to live.
MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:53 AM
8. Thank you! I already knew that you were on board.
There's a disaster just waiting to happen in 2016. A disaster we need to keep in mind and try to prevent. Try our best!
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Other than the last item on that list - theocracy - which is a product of his hysterical imagination, that sounds like a pretty good list of goals! Would that the Rs were as good as he fears!!!
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Other than the last item on that list - theocracy - which is a product of his hysterical imagination, that sounds like a pretty good list of goals! Would that the Rs were as good as he fears!!!
I'm with you on this.
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I find it hard to believe a lot of DUmmies would do any crying about owebumacare being repealed.
So many of them have been burned by it already.
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I personally want to thank Rock Head for that excellent list (excepting the theocracy BS). I am the same age as him and would, in my waning years, appreciate the hope my grandkids will at least have a shot at the old American dream.
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Rock head is just jealous that hop along Bob is getting more attention for his lunatic posts.
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MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:32 AM
Imagine a Republican Administration and Congress in 2017
Repeal of the ACA with nothing at all to replace it.
Privatization of Social Security and Medicare.
Appointment of two conservative SCOTUS Justices at least.
National support for Voter ID laws and other voter restrictions.
Removing minimum wage requirements at the federal level.
Elimination of the estate tax.
Additional tax breaks for corporations and the richest Americans.
Repeal of many environmental laws.
Shutdowns of a number of major federal agencies, including the Department of Education, HHS, EPA. and the Labor Department.
Further limitations on unemployment benefits.
Privatization of medical care for Veterans.
Removal of regulations on bankers and other financial organizations.
Drastic reductions in Pell Grants and other aid to post-secondary education.
Bomb, Bomb Iran!
There is nothing on that list I disagree with, Lets do this!
MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:32 AM
Movement toward a theocracy of conservative religious doctrines.
Now this is a bit of DUmmy paranoia I never understood. Where the heck did this come from? I see it again and again. The Theocracy is coming!
Just to sooth your DUmmy minds...there is NO theocracy in your future, unless it is muslim. and that you've brought upon yourself.There is no Christian plan to instill a state religion. If there were you could lurk here and read our nefarious plots.
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MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:50 AM
6. It's a face-palm thing for me, too.
I simply don't get it at all. If I can't get everything I want, which is almost a certainty, I can do my best to block people who want to take everything away from me. I'll do whatever I can to prevent Republicans from gaining even more power. I'm not up for 8 years of disastrous policy making. Nope.
Up twinkles, on your approaching mortality, hippie. Faster, please...
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MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:32 AM
Movement toward a theocracy of conservative religious doctrines.
There is nothing on that list I disagree with, Lets do this! Now this is a bit of DUmmy paranoia I never understood. Where the heck did this come from? I see it again and again. The Theocracy is coming!
Just to sooth your DUmmy minds...there is NO theocracy in your future, unless it is muslim. and that you've brought upon yourself. There is no Christian plan to instill a state religion. If there were you could lurk here and read our nefarious plots.
Started, seriously, in the 80's when their TVs told them that the evangelical right would something something definitely mumble mumble take over the world. ::)
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MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:32 AM
Imagine a Republican Administration and Congress in 2017
It's a worthwhile exercise for everyone. It bears thinking about in a serious way. Based on the stated goals of the Republicans currently in control of Congress and of the Republicans who have shown a strong interest in becoming President, here are some of the things I'd expect to happen if they controlled both the White House and Congress:
Repeal of the ACA with nothing at all to replace it.
Not true. The free market will replace it, and with less restrictions. Allow people to buy over state lines and insurance companies will have to be more competitive.
Privatization of Social Security and Medicare.
Oh sweetheart, please look at some of those South American countries you so admire. They've privatized Social Security and their retirees have a lot more money than we do. You just want more dependence on nanny government.
Appointment of two conservative SCOTUS Justices at least.
Thank God!!!
National support for Voter ID laws and other voter restrictions.
You do realize that 0bama's proposal that voting become mandatory would require an ID, don't you? How else would you know who did and didn't vote. Besides, you can't even cash a welfare check without an ID. You can't buy cigarettes or alcohol, rent an apartment, etc. There's no damn reason the poor & minorities wouldn't have an ID.
Removing minimum wage requirements at the federal level.
Market driven solutions always work best. All you have to do to prove it to yourself is look at the tech industry. There's never been any unions and pay is competitive.
Elimination of the estate tax.
Good! Do you have any idea it costs family members to pay said taxes? Sometimes have to sell something as precious as a family farm just to pay the taxes.
Additional tax breaks for corporations and the richest Americans.
That would be great! We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. If corporations have more of their profits they'll have more to invest, which means more jobs. Rich people with more money means rich people spending money on things which means more jobs and that benefits everyone. And, in both cases there won't be such an incentive to take their money out of our country.
Repeal of many environmental laws.
They should be. They're based on hysteria & flawed & deliberately exaggerated computer models. It's not science, it's a religion full of fanatics.
Shutdowns of a number of major federal agencies, including the Department of Education, HHS, EPA. and the Labor Department.
Not one of those is necessary and education should be a state/community undertaking, not that of a bloated federal government whose job is to restrict rather than encourage learning.
Further limitations on unemployment benefits.
Funny thing about that, when benefits run out people miraculously find jobs.
Privatization of medical care for Veterans.
Because the government has done such a good job, right? Give them an insurance card like the rest of us have. They'd get better quality care and none of them would be dying because they've had to wait too long for care.
Removal of regulations on bankers and other financial organizations.
I'd settle for repeal of Dodd-Frank. No company should be "too big to fail".
Drastic reductions in Pell Grants and other aid to post-secondary education.
They wouldn't be as necessary if professors weren't making $300,000 for teaching one class and then get their full pension. Oh, and let's do away with SEIU. All they do is hold the American people hostage without any input in negotiations. It's called government SERVICE for a reason. They need to remember their place. They work for us, not the other way around.
Bomb, Bomb Iran!
I'd let Israel drop the first bomb if they wanted.
Movement toward a theocracy of conservative religious doctrines.
Now this is just ****ing stupid. No Republican president has ever don't this. We wouldn't tolerate it. Newsflash: not all conservatives are religious. Hell, I even know a few conservative pagans.
There are many other things on the Republican's agenda. None of them could be stopped if Republicans controlled two or even all three branches of government, and those changes would be almost impossible to reverse later. Everyone would be affected, and most gains that have been made in many areas would be reversed. Everyone's welcome to add to the list.
Complete lack of self awareness here!
As we get closer to the 2016 election year, it seems to me that we should look closely at the goals of the Republican Party and work strongly together to prevent conservatives from gaining control of government. Only by uniting and working toward that goal do we have a chance to prevent such a thing from happening. I'm hoping we wake up and see the necessity of making sure we stop the Republicans in their tracks, before they destroy any chance of progress.
I'm all in on this goal. How about you?
Guess what? 0bama has SO screwed things up for your party (lawlessness, vindictiveness & weakness are not good qualities in a president) you'll be lucky if democrats can be elected dog catcher.
Cindie
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What about mineral man's "concern" about voting legislation...
As ICE data suggests, however, Obama has failed to enforce these policies that he himself implemented! Since last April, we’ve had nearly 166,000 criminal illegal aliens running loose in our communities, killing innocent Americans such as 21-year-old Grant Ronnebeck. His uncle, Michael Ronnebeck, delivered a heartbreaking testimony before a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee panel just a few weeks ago. During his remarks, Mr. Ronnebeck spoke of his nephew’s murder at the hands of an illegal alien with an extensive criminal record, but who had been apprehended and released by ICE in 2013. “I believe there is simply no excuse for ICE to be releasing individuals like this back onto our streets to endanger and kill hard-working Americans,†Ronnebeck told the committee.
The reality is, American workers are not prioritized in the President’s immigration actions, which are first and foremost about rewarding illegal aliens with work permits so they can compete with U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents for jobs. Obama’s reckless disregard for the economic well-being of American workers is also making our communities less safe and our nation less secure, as he has failed to uphold even his own limited immigration enforcement priorities.
full article
http://cnsnews.com/commentary/ken-blackwell/obama-s-immigration-legacy-lower-wages-and-less-security-americans (http://cnsnews.com/commentary/ken-blackwell/obama-s-immigration-legacy-lower-wages-and-less-security-americans)
All of which is designed to bring millions of new voters to the dem rolls.
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Started, seriously, in the 80's when their TVs told them that the evangelical right would something something definitely mumble mumble take over the world. ::)
That was the starting point of liberals' (they hadn't yet rediscovered and euphemized the term "Progressive") public anti-religious bigotry. The "Religious Right" and the Moral Majority were their bogeymen of the decade of the 80s. With the 90s' Tolerance Game, "Fundamentalists" became the new bogeyman, though liberals reinvented the term - it, historically, means, specifically, a particular Christian group and movement that began around the beginning of the 20th Century - and usually have no clue who/what Christian Fundamentalists are.
The ludicrous claim that Evangelicals - the term "Fundamentalists" is more commonly and inaccurately used - want theocracy refers to libs'/Progs' "discovery" of a group who call themselves Christian Reconstructionists (CRs0. Libs and Progs call them "Dominionists", a term CRs generally don't use in reference to themselves; where the Libs'/Progs' term came from I do not know (other than being, probably, a reference to Genesis 1:26). I'll give libs and Progs this much: CRs do exist; CRs do want something like a theocracy in place of our current secular government (they do not mean a post-Armageddon millennial kingdom, something very different and in an eschatological view CRs generally do not believe). How they would get there - other than not by violence - and the exact form doesn't matter for this discussion (and I really don't know).
The problem with libs' and Progs' Christians want theocracy narrative isn't that there are no Christians anywhere in the US who do want theocracy, but that the ones who do are very few, and of very small influence. Because many/most libs and Progs know so little of Evangelical Christianity they imagine that CRs are pervasive, when they are not. "Evangelical is a very broad term, and its boundaries aren't exactly sharp. As I understand and use it, it includes groups as diverse as theologically conservative Lutherans and Presbyterians, most Baptists, Pentecostals, Wesleyan (aka Holiness) groups (but not the UMC), charismatics, independent Evangelicals, and Fundamentalists (and more than come to my partially-caffeinated mind). Were one to walk into a random sampling of churches of those groups and poll members, I'm pretty certain that a very large majority would never have heard of CRs, and almost none of those would know of and accept CRs' desire for a theocracy in place of our current secular government.
So MinMan's is not hysterically in fear of something that literally does not exist. He - and many other libs and Progs - have merely Himalaya-ized a tiny anthill.
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the Department of Education
Maybe I'm just a sensible conservative but there is no reason why the long-overdue(34 year overdue, really) shutdown of the wasteful, unconstitutional DOE is bad.
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Not true. The free market will replace it, and with less restrictions. Allow people to buy over state lines and insurance companies will have to be more competitive.
Oh sweetheart, please look at some of those South American countries you so admire. They've privatized Social Security and their retirees have a lot more money than we do. You just want more dependence on nanny government.
Thank God!!!
You do realize that 0bama's proposal that voting become mandatory would require an ID, don't you? How else would you know who did and didn't vote. Besides, you can't even cash a welfare check without an ID. You can't buy cigarettes or alcohol, rent an apartment, etc. There's no damn reason the poor & minorities wouldn't have an ID.
Market driven solutions always work best. All you have to do to prove it to yourself is look at the tech industry. There's never been any unions and pay is competitive.
Good! Do you have any idea it costs family members to pay said taxes? Sometimes have to sell something as precious as a family farm just to pay the taxes.
That would be great! We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. If corporations have more of their profits they'll have more to invest, which means more jobs. Rich people with more money means rich people spending money on things which means more jobs and that benefits everyone. And, in both cases there won't be such an incentive to take their money out of our country.
They should be. They're based on hysteria & flawed & deliberately exaggerated computer models. It's not science, it's a religion full of fanatics.
Not one of those is necessary and education should be a state/community undertaking, not that of a bloated federal government whose job is to restrict rather than encourage learning.
Funny thing about that, when benefits run out people miraculously find jobs.
Because the government has done such a good job, right? Give them an insurance card like the rest of us have. They'd get better quality care and none of them would be dying because they've had to wait too long for care.
I'd settle for repeal of Dodd-Frank. No company should be "too big to fail".
They wouldn't be as necessary if professors weren't making $300,000 for teaching one class and then get their full pension. Oh, and let's do away with SEIU. All they do is hold the American people hostage without any input in negotiations. It's called government SERVICE for a reason. They need to remember their place. They work for us, not the other way around.
I'd let Israel drop the first bomb if they wanted.
Now this is just ****ing stupid. No Republican president has ever don't this. We wouldn't tolerate it. Newsflash: not all conservatives are religious. Hell, I even know a few conservative pagans.
Complete lack of self awareness here!
Guess what? 0bama has SO screwed things up for your party (lawlessness, vindictiveness & weakness are not good qualities in a president) you'll be lucky if democrats can be elected dog catcher.
Cindie
Big ^5 for posting exactly the same thing I was thinking when I read the DUmbass' drek.
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There is nothing on that list I disagree with, Lets do this!Now this is a bit of DUmmy paranoia I never understood. Where the heck did this come from? I see it again and again. The Theocracy is coming!
Keep in mind that through the 60s the world council of churches virtually became a communist front.
Church and religion became an arm of the left as the social gospel displaced the Gospel of Christ.
After Rev Falwell and the moral majority came about the left recoiled in its hysterical rage over losing what it considered its property.
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MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:40 AM
4. Something like that, anyhow.
The US run by its own Taliban. Not a pretty picture.
I know which faction I will belong to. I promise to make it quick and painless.
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MineralMan (71,157 posts) Tue Mar 31, 2015, 11:50 AM
6. It's a face-palm thing for me, too.
I simply don't get it at all. If I can't get everything I want, which is almost a certainty, I can do my best to block people who want to take everything away from me. I'll do whatever I can to prevent Republicans from gaining even more power. I'm not up for 8 years of disastrous policy making. Nope.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: REALLY?!! :rotf:
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I know which faction I will belong to. I promise to make it quick and painless.
Not me. For what the DUmbasses have done and want to do to America, I promise to make the end of their pathetically worthless lives as slow as possible, painfully as possible and as gruesome as possible. It's what they truly deserve.
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Not me. For what the DUmbasses have done and want to do to America, I promise to make the end of their pathetically worthless lives as slow as possible, painfully as possible and as gruesome as possible. It's what they truly deserve.
Does the name "Vlad Tepes" mean anything to you? :whistling: :fuelfire:
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Not me. For what the DUmbasses have done and want to do to America, I promise to make the end of their pathetically worthless lives as slow as possible, painfully as possible and as gruesome as possible. It's what they truly deserve.
The shorter the time, the greater the number processed.
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Does the name "Vlad Tepes" mean anything to you? :whistling: :fuelfire:
Too easy a way out for the DUmbasses. I'm thinking of what happened to Spartacus and his army at the end of their slave rebellion versus the Roman Empire would be more appropriate.
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Too easy a way out for the DUmbasses. I'm thinking of what happened to Spartacus and his army at the end of their slave rebellion versus the Roman Empire would be more appropriate.
No, not to the death, to the pain.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_keWS1i3RA[/youtube]
Leave them to suffer the indignity of watching EVERY IDEA they have FAIL and EVERY IDEA that we have SUCCEED. Leave them to become more and more marginalized. Leave them alone, because we aren't out for revenge, we just want our country back. Attacking them would make us no better than them.
Now, if they fire the first shot, all bets are off...
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Does the name "Vlad Tepes" mean anything to you? :whistling: :fuelfire:
A distant relative of mine of some sort... :-)
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Privatization of medical care for Veterans.
I would agree whole heartedly.
Appointment of two conservative SCOTUS Justices at least.
Make one of them Ted Cruz. :yahoo:
For the most, rockboy came pretty close.
:cheersmate: For DA.
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I would agree whole heartedly.
Make one of them Ted Cruz. :yahoo:
For the most, rockboy came pretty close.
Hi-5 for reading that mess. :yawn:
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She is just trolling for page views on her website.