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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 27, 2015, 03:01:55 PM
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NaturalHigh (9,642 posts)
Woman accused of cutting unborn baby from mother will not face murder charges
DENVER (AP) — A Colorado woman accused of cutting the unborn baby from an expectant mother's belly will not face murder charges in the gruesome attack that revived the highly charged debate over when a fetus can legally be considered a human being.
Prosecutors did not explain the decision Thursday or reveal what charges will be filed in the attack that killed the unborn baby girl. The mother, who was about eight months pregnant, survived and left the hospital Wednesday.
Dynel Lane, 34, lured Michelle Wilkins, 26, to her home March 18 with an ad on Craigslist selling baby clothes, investigators say. Inside, Lane stabbed Wilkins and removed the child, police say.
Lane had told her family she was pregnant, and when her husband came home early from work to meet her for a prenatal appointment, he found the infant in a bathtub, authorities said. Lane said she had a miscarriage, and he took them to the hospital, where the baby was pronounced dead.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/usworld/prosecutors-woman-accused-of-cutting-unborn-baby-from-mother-will/article_7850b8ac-831b-5467-8300-13e5d58118b4.html
PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
1. Good. Fetal homicide laws are bullshit.
That is an aggravated assault against the woman, not the fetus. It should not center on the fetus at all, which is part of the woman's body. A woman's pregnancy becomes part of HER identity and personhood while she's pregnant. Laws that bypass her and give any status or protection to the fetus regardless of gestation are harmful and discriminatory against women, and devalue women as persons.
Dreamer Tatum (9,913 posts)
3. I'm sure the woman called it her baby, not her fetus.
I'd err on the side of what her intentions and beliefs were, not anyone else's.
PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
5. I'm sure she did. But I stand by every word I said. Every one.
As do all cultists
Dreamer Tatum (9,913 posts)
6. Same here. I've yet to meet a pregnant woman who self-applied the word "fetus."
Her body, her choice. I defy you to find me one woman who, after having her baby cut from her womb against her will, would shrug her shoulders and say, "You damn sure can't call that murder!"
PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
9. I get what you're saying, but fetal homicide laws are very very dangerous. And NEVER the answer.
In the U.S., pregnant women have been arrested even under fetal protection laws that exempt the pregnant woman herself from prosecution. That's because a law that recognizes fetal rights creates a confusing legal contradiction. If a fetus has the right not to be "murdered" in the womb by a third party, why doesn't it have the right not to be "murdered" by its own mother? In practice, these contradictory laws create a dangerous slippery slope towards criminalizing pregnant women for their behaviors while pregnant.
In Canada, the judicial system routinely takes aggravating circumstances into account. In the case of an assault or murder of a pregnant woman, even though a third party cannot be charged separately with harm to the fetus, prosecutors may recommend more serious charges, judges may impose harsher penalties and parole boards may deny parole to convicted perpetrators.
Protect the altar!
Dreamer Tatum (9,913 posts)
14. So if the baby is more than likely viable outside the womb
it STILL isn't murder?
Oy. Tough room.
NaturalHigh (9,642 posts)
15. Yeah - I'm sure the mother is not quite so dismissive of this crime.
PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
17. Who's being dismissive? The DA? Voters in Colorado?
Me, for agreeing with them?
Yet, the skrag is dismissive of the DA and voters who carry through with fetal homicide laws.
Cali_Democrat (23,528 posts)
32. Question:
Do you consider the fetus to be a human being?
Answer:
More than you
NaturalHigh (9,642 posts)
11. What do you think would be an appropriate charge for this woman?
PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
12. I am not privy to all of the evidence, details and local laws. I am not an attorney or prosecutor.
Correct...
...you're a non-viable mass of tissue almost the same as a tumor.
LeftinOH (4,859 posts)
7. At eight months, this was a child about to be born.
Technically a fetus, but... come on. This is a serious crime. Attempted murder and assault at least.
seabeyond (99,492 posts)
18. is it you that says you should be able to make a woman give birth if fetus is yours?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026423145
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DUmmies believe that a man not wanting to father a child has the right to slip his pregnant cow an abortifacient to delete the pregnancy like Hillary deleted incriminating emails.
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What a disgusting woman! I would be so ashamed if that was my daughter. She values no human life but the suspects.
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But when a policeman removes a 300 pound fetus from the hood, all hell breaks loose.
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PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
1. Good. Fetal homicide laws are bullshit.
That is an aggravated assault against the woman, not the fetus. It should not center on the fetus at all, which is part of the woman's body. A woman's pregnancy becomes part of HER identity and personhood while she's pregnant. Laws that bypass her and give any status or protection to the fetus regardless of gestation are harmful and discriminatory against women, and devalue women as persons.
As a Christian one should hate the sin and not the sinner but let me tell you this scrunt.
Evil like you just wrote is so vile and repulsive that I am glad there is a place called hell for you to spend eternity.
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As a Christian one should hate the sin and not the sinner but let me tell you this scrunt.
Evil like you just wrote is so vile and repulsive that I am glad there is a place called hell for you to spend eternity.
H^5 for stating how I feel.
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Aggravated Assault?
Well, in the very least, this nut job should be charged with murder of the baby, attempted murder of the mother, and conspiracy.
Given the pre-meditation of luring the victim to her house, she should be charged with first degree murder.
Perhaps the DAs in Colorado should stop smoking weed and get their heads out of their asses.
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PeaceNikki (23,025 posts)
5. I'm sure she did. But I stand by every word I said. Every one.
That's not very peaceful, is it? You should change your username to something more appropriate such as UselessClumpOfCellsNikki.
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Aggravated Assault?
Well, in the very least, this nut job should be charged with murder of the baby, attempted murder of the mother, and conspiracy.
Given the pre-meditation of luring the victim to her house, she should be charged with first degree murder.
Perhaps the DAs in Colorado should stop smoking weed and get their heads out of their asses.
The people of Colorado have spoken. They voted down an amendment which would have allowed charges of murder to brought against this woman. The Pro Abortion[/b] Death lobby won out.
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As a Christian one should hate the sin and not the sinner but let me tell you this scrunt.
Evil like you just wrote is so vile and repulsive that I am glad there is a place called hell for you to spend eternity.
EXACTLY! how I feel.
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Perhaps the DAs in Colorado should stop smoking weed and get their heads out of their asses.
Colorado law enforcement handled the JonBenet Ramsey murder.
I'm sure they're up to the challenge.
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Colorado law enforcement handled the JonBenet Ramsey murder.
I'm sure they're up to the challenge.
Maybe it was OJ practicing for his big day.
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I can see PeaceNikki's thinking a little. The baby, while in the womb, survives only due to the mother's body. The mother provides housing. The mother provides food. The baby does not provide anything except some sickness and some kicks. But wait a minute!!!
It could be said that good and decent working Americans are the body of the country and that many DUmmies survive only due to the body. The good and decent working Americans provide housing. The good and decent working Americans provide food. The DUmmies do not provide anything except some sickness and some kicks.
The difference is that within 9 months of conception there is a chance the baby will leave the womb and eventually become a productive member of society. The DUmmies never leave the "womb".
Who is it again that PeaceNikki says it's okay to kill?
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I can see PeaceNikki's thinking a little. The baby, while in the womb, survives only due to the mother's body. The mother provides housing. The mother provides food. The baby does not provide anything except some sickness and some kicks. But wait a minute!!!
It could be said that good and decent working Americans are the body of the country and that many DUmmies survive only due to the body. The good and decent working Americans provide housing. The good and decent working Americans provide food. The DUmmies do not provide anything except some sickness and some kicks.
The difference is that within 9 months of conception there is a chance the baby will leave the womb and eventually become a productive member of society. The DUmmies never leave the "womb".
Who is it again that PeaceNikki says it's okay to kill?
that is so deep and true! :o
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The spirit guides strikes the truth again.
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I can see PeaceNikki's thinking a little. The baby, while in the womb, survives only due to the mother's body. The mother provides housing. The mother provides food. The baby does not provide anything except some sickness and some kicks. But wait a minute!!!
It could be said that good and decent working Americans are the body of the country and that many DUmmies survive only due to the body. The good and decent working Americans provide housing. The good and decent working Americans provide food. The DUmmies do not provide anything except some sickness and some kicks.
The difference is that within 9 months of conception there is a chance the baby will leave the womb and eventually become a productive member of society. The DUmmies never leave the "womb".
Who is it again that PeaceNikki says it's okay to kill?
Whoa! That's HEAVY, man! [/DUhippie mode]
Rings so, so true, FlippyDoo! I'm all for aborting DUmmies, especially late term ones. (DUmmies tend to take care of the "pre-term" ones themselves, one of the few things they can accomplish on their own, and are very good at it.)
^5, oh, seer of sights, and sage of the Cave! :hi5: :cheersmate: