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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Ptarmigan on March 24, 2015, 11:37:25 PM
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Germanwings French Alps crash: Why did doomed Airbus A320 descend for eight minutes without issuing a distress signal?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germanwings-french-alps-crash-why-did-doomed-airbus-a320-descend-for-eight-minutes-without-issuing-a-distress-signal-10131005.html
Airline officials say confusion continues to surround the final moments of the Germanwings Airbus A320 that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday morning.
All 150 passengers on board the plane are feared dead, as reports from the crash site suggest it could take “days†to recover the bodies of victims from an area of debris spanning kilometres.
President Francois Hollande has said there will be a full investigation into what caused the plane to plummet into the side of a mountain in a remote region 100 miles north of Nice, calling it “a tragedy on our soilâ€.
Another major airplane crash. This time in France. :( :bawl:
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The cause of the crash may never be known.
It almost makes me wish ptarmigans who may have witnessed the accident could speak.
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They've found the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR). That will help shed light into what happened.
What they know right now:
No distress call.
Descended from 38 to 6 thousand feet in 8 minutes in what has been described as a "controlled manner".
Just passed a safety inspection Monday.
Terrorism has not been ruled out.
This is going to be a tough recovery effort. No roads...the area is only accessable via helicopters or mountain guides.
Biggest pieces are about 10 sq ft in diameter.
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They've found the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR). That will help shed light into what happened.
What they know right now:
No distress call.
Descended from 38 to 6 thousand feet in 8 minutes in what has been described as a "controlled manner".
Just passed a safety inspection Monday.
Terrorism has not been ruled out.
This is going to be a tough recovery effort. No roads...the area is only accessable via helicopters or mountain guides.
Biggest pieces are about 10 sq ft in diameter.
"Controlled manner" or not, if the biggest pieces are that small, that's a serious auger-in. Of course, there ain't a whole lot of flat space in the French Alps.... :p
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It will most definitely be categorized as CFIT.
I gotta believe there was hypoxia involved.
The TAWS would have been giving off all kinds of alarms.
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How come the air traffic controllers didn't notice?
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Terrorism has not been ruled out.
I'm saying this without knowing the facts, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's it.
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I'm saying this without knowing the facts, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's it.
That's right, piss off the Germans and Spainards :yahoo:
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How come the air traffic controllers didn't notice?
I think they did. When the story was first breaking, there was a rumor of a distress call from the plane, but then they backtracked and said it was an emergency call from a control tower.
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Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0
PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.
A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool†conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.
“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,†the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.â€
This raises red flags.
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Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?_r=0
This raises red flags.
Even some DUmmies are coming to that conclusion. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026415077
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How come the air traffic controllers didn't notice?
IIRC they did and tried contacting the plane all the way until impact.
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Megyn Kelly had a former NTSB board member on last night. Said guest said words to the effect that "there's a lot more that they know, but aren't telling anyone about, right now." I'd be rather interested in finding out the identities of the pilots, their religions, their health histories (to include heart stress test results), etc.
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Megyn Kelly had a former NTSB board member on last night. Said guest said words to the effect that "there's a lot more that they know, but aren't telling anyone about, right now." I'd be rather interested in finding out the identities of the pilots, their religions, their health histories (to include heart stress test results), etc.
If one of the pilots was mohammed, he brought the mountain to him.
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If one of the pilots was mohammed, he brought the mountain to him.
Might be. One pilot was locked out of the cockpit and trying to break in when................
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanwings-pilot-was-locked-out-of-cockpit-before-crash-in-france/ar-AA9Zy31?ocid=TSHDHP
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Just heard that the co-pilot purposely put the plane down and there are screams at the end of the recording. He had been employed since 9/2013. They are keeping his name under wraps. ::)
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On Drudge now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html
Apparently, the co-pilot was a 28-year-old German named Andreas Günter Lubitz. He locked the pilot out of the cockpit.
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On Drudge now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3012053/Andreas-Lubitz-Germanwings-flight-9525-French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette.html
Apparently, the co-pilot was a 28-year-old German named Andreas Günter Lubitz. He locked the pilot out of the cockpit.
Prosecutor says he does not believe disaster was terrorism or suicide
WTF does that mean? It was one of those or mass murder and suicide.
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WTF does that mean? It was one of those or mass murder and suicide.
Suicide . . .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11491587/Airbus-A320-crashes-in-French-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html
He was effin' depressed.
So he flies a effin' Airbus full of innocent souls into the side of a mountain in the Alps.
What an asshole!
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Suicide . . .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11491587/Airbus-A320-crashes-in-French-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html
He was effin' depressed.
So he flies a effin' Airbus full of innocent souls into the side of a mountain in the Alps.
What an asshole!
Sounds like something a liberal would do. Make others suffer for their actions.
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I would be so ashamed if I was his parent. OMG What a horrible person. Hope he rots in hell. :rant:
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Just heard that the co-pilot purposely put the plane down and there are screams at the end of the recording. He had been employed since 9/2013. They are keeping his name under wraps. ::)
(http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/video/876/493/032615_trs_pilot_640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Andreas Lubitz, 28.
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^ Looks like Tommy Hilfiger
so here is what I'm wondering......they knew his name and the news just said "they" scrubbed his facebook. Why would they scrub his Facebook? Shouldn't that be left out there so as to not let conspiracy theories begin?
Also they say during the 10 minutes before the crash his breathing was steady and there was complete silence the whole time. Guessing that means no movement or clicking of buttons, creaking of chairs etc....If he had passed out from hypoxia would his breathing be steady?
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^ Looks like Tommy Hilfiger
so here is what I'm wondering......they knew his name and the news just said "they" scrubbed his facebook. Why would they scrub his Facebook? Shouldn't that be left out there so as to not let conspiracy theories begin?
Also they say during the 10 minutes before the crash his breathing was steady and there was complete silence the whole time. Guessing that means no movement or clicking of buttons, creaking of chairs etc....If he had passed out from hypoxia would his breathing be steady?
The findings lead the investigators to believe that he was awake and alert and very calm during the entire episode.
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If you kill yourself, that's suicide....if you take 150 people with you, that's genocide.
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YeH just heard the murderer disabled the door code for 5 minutes after the pilot tried to get in.
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GERMAN NEWS REPORT: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/breaking-german-news-germanwings-airbus-co-pilot-was-muslim-convert)
GERMAN REPORT —HE WAS RADICALIZED!
GERMAN CO-PILOT WAS MUSLIM CONVERT–
— STAYED AT Bremen Mosque
Police have reportedly found an “item of significance†at the apartment of the co-pilot who crashed the Germanwing passenger plane into the Alps this week.
The item was NOT a suicide note.
Andreas Lubitz
28-year-old German Andreas Lubitz trained in the Phoenix, Arizona and is pictured here in San Francisco.
A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert.
Speisa.com reported:
According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.
Translation from German:
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radicalâ€, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/breaking-german-news-germanwings-airbus-co-pilot-was-muslim-convert/
Is Gateway Pundit credible?
All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radicalâ€, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.
(http://2-ps.googleusercontent.com/hk/9dO3E1tyAM9FEJoQjUgzLfLy1j/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/498x852xlubitz-facebook-muslim-page-575x984.png.pagespeed.ic.7kZ2KAhCHXp4zR8__j6U.jpg)
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If it's true, Welcome, Germany, to your own 9/11.
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If it's true, Welcome, Germany, to your own 9/11.
The Germans tend to be more . . . 'efficient' in dealing with this sort of problem. :whistling: :zap:
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The Germans tend to be more . . . 'efficient' in dealing with this sort of problem. :whistling: :zap:
Fire up the ovens, 'same solution', different religion.
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Fire up the ovens, 'same solution', different religion.
No need for that, half of the world should be supporting them, this time.
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So they did bring mohammed to the mountain.
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Another source says he was muslim.
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.1086/the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-airbus-was-a-convert-to-islam.html
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Gateway Pundit - Jim Hoft - is generally quite good. In this case he is relaying a report from a German media source. Frankly, as credible as it sounds to me, I'm very cautious of early reports of things. Early reports tend to be very incomplete, and have a lot of "facts" that are not; when there's a political narrative in the mix - e.g. Ferguson - it's even worse.
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Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz kept deadly mental illness secret from bosses
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-kept-5416012
Andreas Lubitz kept a deadly secret from bosses that could have prevented the needless deaths of all 150 on board Flight 9525.
The 28-year-old co-pilot was signed off sick by two separate doctors for the day he plunged the Germanwings Airbus 320 into a mountain after locking his captain out of the cockpit.
But he never told his superiors he had been deemed unfit to fly as he feared he would be stripped of his pilot’s licence because of a history of depression and kicked out of the job he lived for.
This one caught my attention.
He was nicknamed “Tomato Andy†because they believed he didn’t know if he was a “fruit or veg†– a reference to his sexuality.
One ex-workmate said it was slang term for a “straight who was really gayâ€.
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Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz kept deadly mental illness secret from bosses
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitz-kept-5416012
This one caught my attention.
He was nicknamed “Tomato Andy†because they believed he didn’t know if he was a “fruit or veg†– a reference to his sexuality.
One ex-workmate said it was slang term for a “straight who was really gayâ€.
Oh great, along with making excuses for mental illness, the left will blame it on bullies. :banghead:
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Oh great, along with making excuses for mental illness, the left will blame it on bullies. :banghead:
Not to mention the Germans = Nazis stereotypes.
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Oh great, along with making excuses for mental illness, the left will blame it on bullies. :banghead:
What I meant to say, I wonder he might be some repressed homosexual. Gays can bully and lot of them do.
Victims Of Gay Bullying
http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/
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GERMAN NEWS REPORT: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT …’Hero of Islamic State’? @ http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/breaking-german-news-germanwings-airbus-co-pilot-was-muslim-convert/
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I remember hearing that Jihadists like recruiting newly converts to Islam as they are very fervent.
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The Germanwings Co-pilot’s Non-Existent ‘Muslim Conversion’ says it was all a blogger buzz that was completely unfounded. Read @ http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/germanwings-co-pilot-s-non-existent-muslim-conversion_901589.html
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The Muslim-convert story had a very Just-So-story feel to it. Hopefully investigators will be able to figure out what seems - to me at least - an incongruity between a depressed person committing suicide and a mass-murder--suicide.