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Title: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Carl on March 19, 2015, 01:26:17 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026385673

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Thu Mar 19, 2015, 11:42 AM

Star Member babylonsister (149,161 posts)

FEMA To States: You Want Cash? Say Climate Change Is Real. SAY IT!
This is a BFD. They won't be able to hide their collective heads in the sand!


http://wonkette.com/580175/fema-to-states-you-want-cash-say-climate-change-is-real-say-it

FEMA To States: You Want Cash? Say Climate Change Is Real. SAY IT!
by Doktor Zoom
Mar 19 9:09 am 2015

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No Disaster Preparedness Funds for you!


In an elegant reply to politicians who aren’t scientists but don’t mind ignoring experts who are, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has come up with a simple solution: States whose governors decide there’s no need to plan for the consequences of a changing climate will no longer qualify for federal grants for emergency preparedness. For climate deniers like Louisiana’s Bobby Jindal, Florida’s Rick Scott, or Texas’s Greg Abbott, it’s a pretty clear opportunity for them to put their coastlines and their populations where their mouths are. Governors who refuse to consider climate in their states’ hazard mitigation plans could lose hundreds of millions of dollars in FEMA money.

The new policy would only apply to grants aimed at disaster preparedness — funding for FEMA assistance following natural disasters would not be affected.

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“If a state has a climate denier governor that doesn’t want to accept a plan, that would risk mitigation work not getting done because of politics,” said Becky Hammer, an attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council’s water program. “The governor would be increasing the risk to citizens in that state” because of his climate beliefs.


Beginning in March 2016, states must assess how climate change may increase threats to their communities and include those estimates in hazard mitigation plans when they apply for federal preparedness funding. This could prove interesting for Florida, where state employees are literally not allowed to say “climate change” or “global warming,” or they have to put five bucks in the swear jar. (For second offenses, Gov. Scott personally shows up late at night to scare their children.) So we’re guessing Gov. Bat Boy is going to just kiss some big-time grant money goodbye, along with large tracts of Miami. And no, Sen. Inhofe, Oklahoma won’t get any disaster preparedness money for Tornado Alley, even if you wrap up a snowball and mail it to FEMA.

FEMA’s new guidelines make it clear that states need to take into account a range of possible effects from climate chance, regardless of how much oil companies have contributed to their governors’ election campaigns:

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The challenges posed by climate change, such as more intense storms, frequent heavy precipitation, heat waves, drought, extreme flooding, and higher sea levels, could significantly alter the types and magnitudes of hazards impacting states in the future. Due to the inherent uncertainties with projections of future hazard events, states are expected to look across the whole community of partners (for example, public, private, academic, non-governmental, etc.) to identify the most relevant data and select the most appropriate methodologies to assess risks and vulnerability.

Good god. The federal government is telling the states they’ll actually have to listen to scientists about risks from climate change, at least if they want to qualify for disaster preparedness funding. What sort of madness is this? It’s as outrageous as insurance companies charging people more if they smoke!

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Don’t be too surprised if this policy eventually gets portrayed on Fox News as FEMA forcing governors to sign a “climate loyalty oath” or some such bullshit, but let’s be clear about what it really is: a demand that if you want to get money to prepare for disasters, you can’t ignore preparing for the ones your wingnut constituents prefer to pretend aren’t real.

The next 2 years are going to be a nightmare as this petty little dictator tries to punish us all.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 12:24 PM

DreamGypsy (2,102 posts)
4. FEMA should also include the requirement...

...that state hazard mitigation plans incorporate realistic efforts to reduce fossil fuel usage and other sources of carbon pollution and that reasonable milestones are met under those plans in order to receive continuing funding.

IMHO.

Be prepared to have the steets run red.  :bird:
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Chris_ on March 19, 2015, 01:29:28 PM
I'm glad these idiots aren't in charge of anything important.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on March 19, 2015, 01:38:09 PM
Be prepared to have the steets run red.  :bird:

Or prepare for the green to stop flowing to DC.

The feds don't have the manpower to flex if there is a taxpayer revolt and state and local police are not obligated to enforce federal law.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: docstew on March 19, 2015, 01:45:23 PM
Or prepare for the green to stop flowing to DC.

The feds don't have the manpower to flex if there is a taxpayer revolt and state and local police are not obligated to enforce federal law.

Nay, Sir Bunny, the state and local LEOs are FORBIDDEN from unilaterally enforcing federal law, thanks to the DoiJ suing AZ over SB 1070.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: franksolich on March 19, 2015, 01:57:17 PM
I'm glad these idiots aren't in charge of anything important.

Yeah, me too.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: thundley4 on March 19, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
I want a conservative president with balls. Do this same kind of shit to liberal states, in spades.

You issued driver licenses to illegal immigrants? No highway funds for you.

You're a "sanctuary city" and let illegal immigrants go free? No SNAP or other welfare funds for you.

You offer illegal immigrants lower tuition to state universities than citizens from another state pays?  No federally backed loans for state colleges.

You want to make pot legal?  No funds for law enforcement or drug treatment centers for you.


I could go on with more ways that the feds could screw over liberal states that break federal laws, but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Carl on March 19, 2015, 02:49:08 PM
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:37 PM

Star Member SheilaT (17,342 posts)
11. So they won't get money for disaster preparedness if they won't admit to climate change,

but they'll still get all the help they need after the disaster they didn't prepare for happens? That's gonna cost a **** of a lot more money in the long run.

No disaster preparedness, no funds after the disaster. Maybe it will take a couple of such incidents for the politicians and the ignoramuses who elect them to finally understand that science is real and it's a far better way to deal with the real world than prayer and faith.

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Thu Mar 19, 2015, 01:38 PM

Star Member kimbutgar (1,702 posts)
12. Why are they waiting for 2016 it should be an immediate change of rules?

Put those governors on the spot especially in those states who will be experiencing tornados, hurricane and droughts this summer.

So I guess you admit all your bellyaching about Katrina victims has nothing to do about actual caring for the people.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Duke Nukum on March 19, 2015, 03:56:54 PM
"Science" is whatever FEMA deems it to be.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Ptarmigan on March 19, 2015, 09:46:29 PM
Just a bunch of Communist/Nazis waiting to come out, which they are.  :mental:
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Carl on March 19, 2015, 09:51:33 PM
Question for lurking DUmbasses.

Does this mean you would approve of the federal government denying Head Start or family planning funds unless a state declared the fact that life begins at conception?
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: HawkHogan on March 20, 2015, 03:14:23 AM
Has any climate model been right?

Why did all those climate scientists have to conspire together to manipulate data?

Why are the Polar Ice caps actually expanding now? *

Oh wait.  Some liberal explained to me that this expansion was also a result of climate change. 
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: txradioguy on March 20, 2015, 04:02:20 AM
Question for lurking DUmbasses.

Does this mean you would approve of the federal government denying Head Start or family planning funds unless a state declared the fact that life begins at conception?

The DUmmies never seem to look at the other side of the coin with their knee jerk despotism.

Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: obumazombie on March 21, 2015, 05:52:07 AM
On the heels of AlGore suggesting deniers should be "punished".
Not a coincidence.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: Karin on March 21, 2015, 01:20:01 PM
Greg Abbott has said that what he does for fun, he gets up in the morning and sues the obama administration. 
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: ROCKURWORLD on March 21, 2015, 01:40:43 PM
I think we need a constitutional convention so we can amend the constitution with a few changes. Especially term limits.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: docstew on March 21, 2015, 04:03:45 PM
Greg Abbott has said that what he does for fun, he gets up in the morning and sues the obama administration.

"What are we gonna sue them for today, Governor?"

"I don't know. Bring me my dartboard."
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: jukin on March 23, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
Thudley, you beat me to it.

HI5

Same for any institution like giving in state tuition to illegals or a sanctuary city. Boom, no fedreal funds. Bet the DUches would think that was st8 out H8 fascism. this just common sense.
Title: Re: Primitives celebrate totalitarian federal government.
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on March 23, 2015, 09:06:26 PM
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer...auch nur eine Gedanke.