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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on July 16, 2008, 11:20:49 AM
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And here we go:
(highlited in yellow for the blind fuques...
kpete (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-16-08 10:22 AM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3627700
"President can order the military to seize from his home and indefinitely detain anyone"
Advertisements [?]Edited on Wed Jul-16-08 10:34 AM by kpete
"Even in times of national peril-we must follow law-lest this country cease to be a nation of laws
Our colleagues hold that the President can order the military to seize from his home and indefinitely detain anyone in this country - including an American citizen - even though he has never affiliated with an enemy nation, fought alongside any nation's armed forces, or borne arms against the United States anywhere in the world. We cannot agree that in a broad and general statute, Congress silently authorized a detention power that so vastly exceeds all traditional bounds. No existing law permits this extraordinary exercise of executive power. 2 Even in times of national peril, we must follow the law, lest this country cease to be a nation of laws.
-Judge Motz, p7
From Judge Traxler, writing for the majority (p98):
Under the current state of our precedents, it is likely that the constitutional rights our court determines exist, or do not exist, for al-Marri will apply equally to our own citizens under like circumstances. This means simply that protections we declare to be unavailable under the Constitution to al-Marri might likewise be unavailable to American citizens, and those rights which protect him will protect us as well.
Another key passage from his majority opinion (p72):
I am of the opinion that the AUMF also grants the President the authority to detain enemy combatants who associate themselves "with al Qaeda, an entity with which the United States is at war," and "travel" to the United States for the avowed purpose of further prosecuting that war on American soil, against American citizens and targets," even though the government cannot establish that the combatant also "took up arms on behalf of that enemy and against our country in a foreign combat zone of that war."
Nothing in that passage delinates some legal distinction between civilian enemy combatants and citizen ones. Why should it? The 5th Amendment, which is the basis of al-Marri's request for relief here does not make any distinction about citizenship versus mere presence on US jurisdiction. The 5th Amendment is a universal right. If the Majority thinks the government can ignore it for civilians, why would citizens have any extra protection under it?
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Finally, of the passages I've dug up on this, from Judge Motz' outstanding opinion in the minority (p7):
Our colleagues hold that the President can order the military to seize from his home and indefinitely detain anyone in this country - including an American citizen - even though he has never affiliated with an enemy nation, fought alongside any nation's armed forces, or borne arms against the United States anywhere in the world.
more here:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/16/9368/98658/...
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6966
new..
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"Marshall Law"---more Matt Dillon and less liberal judges.
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The DUmmies would have never made it through the 12 years of arrogance, power grabbing, executive directives, and overall suspension of "democracy" known as the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration.
Everyday is a new day in DUmmieland.
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The DUmmies would have never made it through the 12 years of arrogance, power grabbing, executive directives, and overall suspension of "democracy" known as the Franklin D. Roosevelt administration.
Everyday is a new day in DUmmieland.
To say nothing of the jack-booted thugs, propaganda ministries, imprisonment of political opponents without charge, etc. and even more overall suspension of Democracy that was the Wilson administration.
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I think the funniest thing we could do would be to build the camps,round em all up and then..................
not let them in. :-)
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I think the funniest thing we could do would be to build the camps,round em all up and then..................
not let them in. :-)
Good idea!
Build a mountain of weed and Cheetos in the camp and keep them out.
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*snore*
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(http://static.metal-archives.com/images/1/7/0/9/1709.jpg)
Rock on DUmmies :rocker:
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H5. That's some funny shit right thar!
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:-)
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Yep. You still can't fix stupid over at Delusional Underground.