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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on February 18, 2015, 11:55:26 AM
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grasswire (42,567 posts)
for those who have wondered if the deep state "Got To" Obama
for those who are stunned by the embracing of the Surveillance State by this administration, when candidate Obama seemed to promise more transparency and protection for citizens.
The question is asked by David Carr (RIP -- he died four hours after this interview) and then answered by Edward Snowden in this video made last Thursday. A very direct question by Carr, and then a very clear answer by Snowden.
<<<video>>>
The particular segment begins about 44 minutes into the video.
"Did the spooks get to him? What happened?"
Snowden's response is clear, and answers the question for me.
spanone (79,569 posts)
1. i think snowden is correct.....they don't care who the president is.....
he'll be gone and they will still be there.....
and they can **** with him mightily if they wish.
grasswire (42,567 posts)
2. and they do
For those who don't want to watch this video.
Edward says that the agency threatens a new president by presenting him/her with "enhanced" briefings designed to scare the bejesus out of him/her. And they tell him/her "we can't protect you, your family, the American people from this unless we have free reign with powers and budget" (paraphrased). Just as we have suspected.
hopemountain (1,535 posts)
7. suspected as much
president obama's "demeanor" was radically different the morning after his inauguration & first presidential briefing and round of meetings. even though he may have been receiving briefings before the inauguration - he may not have been told everything until he was in the whitehouse.
i also remember the changes in demeanor of certain members from previous administrations.
BrotherIvan (5,240 posts)
5. This is the most important thread of the week
For those who oppose Snowden because they think he tried to make Obama look bad: he just said it wasn't his fault. So now can we talk about the issue of the intelligence octopus taking over our government?
This whole discussion should be required viewing. It makes perfect sense that a new president would want to keep his family safe and ensure that no terrorist attacks happen on his watch. So the totally meaningless and nonspecific "terrorist theat scares" are used to keep the president on down in line. Fear works. That is the very essence of the theory of terrorism. But apparently, the intelligence community is the one doing it.
Fred Sanders (10,133 posts)
6. The same geopolitical forces that forced Obama to go briefly to Saudi are at work.
To make any changes at all we have to all have Obama's back - The Guardian's Greenwald and Snowden and Manning are liberal and progressive heroes who have given up all hope of anonymity and are living with the real fear of the real consequences of telling the truth.
So of course the only counter attack is by sowing seeds of doubt based on misinterpreting their intent which is exactly how counter intelligence works.
I think not much "gets to" Obama, you can see it written in his face....that man does not give a **** about the media and their epidemic of lying. His job approval numbers versus the do nothing GOP Congress tells me most folk outside the media bubble agree.
randome (23,718 posts)
8. Right. All-seeing Snowden not only can read the President's email, he can read his thoughts!
Oh, God! Make it stop!
grasswire (42,567 posts)
22. you have revealed your role here at DU
And the efforts are futile.
riderinthestorm (17,306 posts)
9. K&R and K&R and K&R. Sobering and scary.
I can certainly believe there are psychological head games that are played on a new president. We have the best players in the world who have extensively studied how to break people.
Why wouldn't they have worked out exactly how to "break" a president to their will, even as the president has no idea what's happening.
wildbilln864 (12,232 posts)
31. and if they cannot break him then what?
I shudder to think but it's just so obvious.
hifiguy (18,280 posts)
10. The Permanent Paranoid Hidden Fascist State
corrupts even those with the best of intentions. It should be smashed to atoms.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026238058
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judy grasswipe
'Did the spooks get to him?'
THAT'S RACIST!!!
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THAT'S RACIST!!!
^^^^ :rotf: Old racist me missed that.... :rotf:
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when candidate Obama seemed to promise more transparency and protection for citizens.
Just as we have been vindicated endlessly it was only you hamburger heads that believed what was obviously lies.
No leftist ever has been transparent,it just does not work in their plan of control.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026238058
I saw this last night, and nearly laughed both my head and my ass off.
Judy grasswire's got to quit doing stuff like this, and sticking with issues and concerns she knows something about.
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grasswire (42,567 posts)
2. and they do
For those who don't want to watch this video.
Edward says that the agency threatens a new president by presenting him/her with "enhanced" briefings designed to scare the bejesus out of him/her. And they tell him/her "we can't protect you, your family, the American people from this unless we have free reign with powers and budget" (paraphrased). Just as we have suspected.
It's much easier to scare a lib than a conservative.
Because libs don't that quality called courage.
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Judy grasswire's got to quit doing stuff like this, and sticking with issues and concerns she knows something about.
Don't be coy, Frank.
Just tell her to stop posting.
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hopemountain (1,535 posts)
7. suspected as much
president obama's "demeanor" was radically different the morning after his inauguration & first presidential briefing and round of meetings. even though he may have been receiving briefings before the inauguration - he may not have been told everything until he was in the whitehouse.
i also remember the changes in demeanor of certain members from previous administrations.
It did not effect his golf game much, did it? :bird:
If his demeanor changed it was because he just realized he was in charge and had no clue what to do now. All he knew up to that point was giving speeches and voting present.
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Don't be coy, Frank.
Just tell her to stop posting.
Well, she probably should, or at least stick with only the cooking and baking, household hints, ancestry, and eBay forums.
It's known that her children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and great-great-grandchildren don't care for her doing this, as she makes a fool of herself, and no one likes seeing a loved one making a fool of herself.
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Judy grasswire's got to quit doing stuff like this, and sticking with issues and concerns she knows something about.
Well in a clan that breeds non-stop beginning at age twelve, grasswipe Judy is intimately familiar with only one thing, and it's not politics.
Even now, approaching seventy years of age, she wears heavy overcoats even indoors, attempting to fend off the constant advances of the grasswipe men.
A grasswipe female has no time for politics.
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A grasswipe female has no time for politics.
You know, she's an embarrassment for Skins, too, making his real-estate look silly.
But there is, happily, a solution.
Dear old sweet Lu, the late hostess of the cooking and baking forum, hasn't been replaced yet, even though it's been like since last July.
I think Judy grasswire would be a great hostess for the cooking and baking forum, and it'd keep her too busy to be running around making herself look like a fool all over the rest of Skins's island.
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You of course remember dear old sweet Lu, the Lucinda primitive, and her most unhappy fate, consumed by hookworms eating her from the inside of her bowels out, but it was her own fault.
Dear old sweet Lu had been having some health problems that made her lazy, lethargic, lassitude-ny, apathetic. She was always too weak and too tired to tend to the cooking and baking forum, which suffered greatly without her leadership.
The classic symptoms of hookworm, and living where she [was], the ideal geographic location, in the isolated hollows and hills of Appalachia.
Every time she went to the doctor, he told her, "pull up your dress, pull down your panties, bend over, so I can take a look."
But dear old sweet Lu was a lady, and ooooh, an elegant one, the way she always used the genteel snobbish "dinner" for the hoi polloi commonsensical practical "supper."
No way in Hell was she going to allow the doctor to see that part of her; never mind that most physicians have seen thousands of rectal apertures, and don't get any jollies out of it.
So she always insisted, "no, it's my heart; look at my heart," or her stomach or her lungs or her liver or her brain, instead.
And she got "treated" for those "problems," rather than the real problem.
And was thus ultimately consumed, from the inside of her bowels out.
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^Hers was gold plated.
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With poor old Lu having been consumed by hookworms, you have to fear for our current Top DUmmy Big Mo.
Tramping barefoot through her vacant lot, treading on broken beer bottles and shards of scrap metal coated with layers of chicken manure, she's risking tetanus and a host of other infectious diseases, to say nothing of hookworm.
But if she incubated an overwhelming population of hookworms it would be entertaining as hell.
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I suspect that the attendants at Judys adult supervised living,change their diaper home won`t let her have the computer time needed to host a forum.
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Am I the only one that thought this was going to be about porn from the title? :whistling:
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Am I the only one that thought this was going to be about porn from the title? :whistling:
A bus stop for the short bus ?
More libs are going "deep" on owebuma...
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2015/02/19/lupica-how-can-obama-make-noble-obamacare-triumph (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2015/02/19/lupica-how-can-obama-make-noble-obamacare-triumph)
All libs care about is intentions and feelings, not results, or conservative principles that are like the laws of physics and can't be broken with any amount of healing white light.