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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on February 17, 2015, 07:30:44 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026239551
Oh my.
kentuck (73,042 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:26 PM
Suppose it cannot be repaired??
When our country invaded Iraq, we did more than capture and kill Saddam Hussein. We dissolved their standing army. Who knows where they went or what became of them? Maybe they are now a big part of the present terrorist group, ISIS?
When we broke the structure that was set up in Iraq, with the dictator, Saddam, we created untold enemies and started a destructive process that is going on today.
Most of the poorer Muslim countries were affected more dramatically than some of the wealthier emirates. They were caught up in Al Qaeda in Iraq or the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and other places and their structures were overthrown and/or their leaders were killed or imprisoned.
Some have called it the "original sin". The invasion of Iraq let loose chaos and revolution upon that area of the world. We are now reaping what we sowed in 2001-2003. There is no easy fix. Perhaps, there is no fix?
If we need to assign blame, George W Bush and Dick Cheney are at the front of the line. You don't hear many solutions from them lately. They see the flames and smell the smoke of their actions, but they remain silent.
We broke it and nobody knows how to put it back together. It is our inheritance.
Bandit (21,430 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:47 PM
1. As long as we can still blow up shit, Cheney and Bush* will be delighted..
For every bomb we drop ten more will need to be made, every bullet fired means ten more will be made. The Military Industrial Complex will continue to get stinking rich as will all Republican Congress critters who go to bat for them..What is so hard to understand.
kentuck (73,042 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:51 PM
2. Amen.
Brother.
<<<notices the bluegrass primitive doesn't have a star.
<<<wonders what's up with that.
seveneyes (2,789 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:55 PM
3. Germany and Japan survived
Perhaps Iraq will too. Different wars, different reasons, still dealing with human nature.
H2O Man (51,064 posts) Tue Feb 17, 2015, 06:19 PM
4. It cannot be "repaired."
The "State of Iraq" was a British creation after WW!. It's purpose was to divide three distinct groups of people, to make it so they could not unite to resist having the British access their natural resources. It eventually became recognized as a "nation," but continued to be exploited.
Sadam was able to maintain the nation/state, by allowing foreign exploitation to distract the population from his growing fortune. To whatever extent Iraqi people opposed him, he relied upon brute force to maintain his position.
The chances of the US being able to install a brutal dictator -- one that is the immoral equivalent of the Shah of Iran, for example -- who can bring about order is about as likely as the Pope becoming the next heavyweight champion of the world.
Bush-Cheney unleashed a force that no American can control.
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Islamofacism developed under Jimmuh,it grew in force and started attacking us under Bubba and now is running wild under Odumbo.
Gosh,what is the common denominator there?
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The chances of the US being able to install a brutal dictator
You mean like Obama ?
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Regardless of what you losers think, the fact is we were there when 0bama took office. It became his responsibility. He chose to lose. He chose to regard all those men and women who died in bloody battles like Fallujah, all those limbs lost, as nothing but fodder. Rather than do the right thing, he chose to leave before the Iraqis were well trained and able to take on groups like ISIS himself. He left to appease people like you rather than stay as the Iraqis asked.
With or without Iraq, he chose to make the US weaker in the eyes of the world. He chose to support radicals taking over the governments in Muslim countries. He chose to arm Syrian rebels (ISIS). He chose to draw lines in the sand that these countries kept crossing. They learned we're nothing more than a paper tiger. These things had not a damn thing to do with Iraq. The Arab Spring, that he so enthusiastically endorsed (he's such a narcissist, he actually believed he was responsible for) had noting to do with Iraq. His negotiations with Iran, giving them gifts, has not a damn thing to do with Iraq. A president who golfs while fellow citizens around the globe (even in our country) are being slaughtered in the most vicious ways has not a damn thing to do with Iraq. Nero may have fiddled, but 0bama golfs...badly.
Cindie
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