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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: sargentodiaz on February 16, 2015, 02:29:51 PM

Title: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: sargentodiaz on February 16, 2015, 02:29:51 PM
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C.I.A. Is Said to Have Bought and Destroyed Iraqi Chemical Weapons – NYTimes.com

So all you Bush Bashers – stuff it!

This doesn't come from a right-wing source.

My question is – why did the Bush administration keep this secret? Why let the Lefties continually smear and attack when they knew different?

And this we know – those same Lefties and Bush Bashers won't bother to read the article or check out the links. They're too filled with hatred to ever want the truth.

Read more @ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html?_r=1 with thanks to http://xbradtc.com/2015/02/15/c-i-a-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons-nytimes-com/ for the link.
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: SVPete on February 16, 2015, 03:01:33 PM
From the NYT article:

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The extraordinary arms purchase plan, known as Operation Avarice, began in 2005 and continued into 2006, and the American military deemed it a nonproliferation success. It led to the United States’ acquiring and destroying at least 400 Borak rockets, one of the internationally condemned chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein’s Baathist government manufactured in the 1980s but that were not accounted for by United Nations inspections mandated after the 1991 Persian Gulf war.

The effort was run out of the C.I.A. station in Baghdad in collaboration with the Army’s 203rd Military Intelligence Battalion and teams of chemical-defense and explosive ordnance disposal troops, officials and veterans of the units said. Many rockets were in poor condition and some were empty or held a nonlethal liquid, the officials said. But others contained the nerve agent sarin, which analysis showed to be purer than the intelligence community had expected given the age of the stock.

A New York Times investigation published in October found that the military had recovered thousands of old chemical warheads and shells in Iraq and that Americans and Iraqis had been wounded by them, but the government kept much of this information secret, from the public and troops alike.

My emphasis. The standard Lib/Prog fallback position the old=deteriorated=harmless is ludicrous. Toward the end of WW2 a German cargo ship carrying mustard gas weapons was sunk in the Baltic Sea. To this day they are a deadly danger. Think of the deterioration to 25% or 10% purity as meaning 75% or 90% fewer killed - not much comfort to the friends/families of the 10-25% who are killed!

Why would the Bush Administration keep this secret? I can only speculate. By denying the Jihadis certainty that there were WMDs "out there", it kept them from focusing their search, while also leaving them searching (and therefore less well hidden). The value of denying one's enemy certainty - about events and about other sources of information - seems not well understood among many DC pols who sport a D after their names.

One thing I wonder about is the timing of the NYT's "revelations". The "Bush lied ..." narrative has become so firmly ensconced in people's minds and in Lib/Prog parrot-points that the narrative is almost impervious to the truth. OTOH, the NYT (and any other outlet that might give the story two seconds' air time or 1/4 of a column inch) have their, "We covered that," ass-covering. What I wonder about in particular is how long has the NYT had this info? The secret buying program apparently ended in 2006. Did it really take the NYT nearly 8 years to learn of it? And the other discoveries of tons of gas shells? Or have they held back, cynically balancing letting the "Bush lied ..." narrative get firmly established and publishing for CYA points?
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: obumazombie on February 16, 2015, 03:28:43 PM
Without false narratives, the libs would have nothing to talk about but the truth !

Hands up, don't shoot!

Saint Skittles was a saint.

The gentle giant was gentle.

The cigarette tax scammer was choked to death, he didn't cause his own death by strenuously resisting arrest, causing too much stress on his advanced case of COPD.
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: Big Dog on February 16, 2015, 05:19:18 PM
One thing I wonder about is the timing of the NYT's "revelations". The "Bush lied ..." narrative has become so firmly ensconced in people's minds and in Lib/Prog parrot-points that the narrative is almost impervious to the truth. OTOH, the NYT (and any other outlet that might give the story two seconds' air time or 1/4 of a column inch) have their, "We covered that," ass-covering. What I wonder about in particular is how long has the NYT had this info? The secret buying program apparently ended in 2006. Did it really take the NYT nearly 8 years to learn of it? And the other discoveries of tons of gas shells? Or have they held back, cynically balancing letting the "Bush lied ..." narrative get firmly established and publishing for CYA points?

One word, and a number.

Hilary 2016.
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: thundley4 on February 16, 2015, 06:13:29 PM
One word, and a number.

Hilary 2016.

It provides cover for her voting to go to war with Iraq.
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: SVPete on February 16, 2015, 06:21:41 PM
It provides cover for her voting to go to war with Iraq.

Thanks. My AM "Vitamin C" must be wearing off, as I didn't pick up on that connection.

It's going to be a tough sell, though, trying to walk her between the Bush-haters who will not accept that Bush truthed and Iraqis were freed and people who largely supported the Iraq effort and are now POed at the way the BHO Administration, with HRC's participation, hyper-vehiculated (hyper-camel-ized?)  Iraq and Afghanistan.
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: DLR Pyro on February 16, 2015, 06:26:30 PM
Bush told the truth and countless people were saved when saddams wmds were rendered inert

Suck on that DUmmies
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: SaintLouieWoman on February 17, 2015, 02:25:11 AM
We must get more cynical over the years. I have---have always believed that Saddam had those wmd's. It's just so unusual after 6+ years of the evil current administration to believe much of anything, particularly that true patriots still exist. Honor is such an old fashioned term. Bush had it. O doesn't begin to understand the meaning of the word.
Title: Re: Saddam DID Have WMDS
Post by: obumazombie on February 17, 2015, 10:33:38 AM
We must get more cynical over the years. I have---have always believed that Saddam had those wmd's. It's just so unusual after 6+ years of the evil current administration to believe much of anything, particularly that true patriots still exist. Honor is such an old fashioned term. Bush had it. O doesn't begin to understand the meaning of the word.

Are you calling owebuma a liar ? You wouldn't be the first...

http://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20150211/obama-suffers-truth-decay (http://www.frc.org/updatearticle/20150211/obama-suffers-truth-decay)

He needs a dentist...


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