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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on January 23, 2015, 09:59:04 AM
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Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:00 AM
ND-Dem (877 posts)
Bill and Melinda Gates have a plan for income inequality
Bill and Melinda Gates, the undisputed heavyweights of philanthropy and ranked the wealthiest in the world, sat down with Yahoo Global News Anchor, Katie Couric, and addressed income inequality and other prevalent issues impacting people globally.
In response to Oxfam International's finding that “the richest one percent of people will own half of the world’s wealth by 2016,†Bill shared that he believes “philanthropy is part of how we deal with those inequities.†Melinda adds that “philanthropy can point the light on an issue that maybe isn’t being funded, or... take a risk that others won't take.†Using the example of philanthropists driving the charter school movement, Bill makes the point that often with less money than the public school nearby, they are having incredible success getting students into four-year colleges.
Bill and Melinda were visiting New York to release their 2015 Gates Annual Letter,which predicts “The lives of people in poor countries will improve faster in the next 15 years than at any other time in history.†The Gates Foundation, which was founded in 2000, has provided more than $30 billion in funding toward research and innovation in science, education, health, and technology and believes that breakthroughs in these areas will make a dramatic impact globally in the years to come. In addition to eliminating contaminated water and food, which claims 1.5 million children’s lives per year, Bill and Melinda promise unprecedented opportunities from the innovation in online education, mobile banking, vaccinations for diseases such as diarrhea and pneumonia, and farming techniques.
http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-interviews-bill-and-melinda-gates-040753364.html
I wonder why, despite Bill and Melinda's stated intention to give away all their wealth, it just keeps growing?
Maybe because they actually provide something rather then lay around and wait for crumbs to be handed out?
Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:05 AM
mucifer (9,878 posts)
1. I don't want us to be the playthings of the wealthy.
That's the way I see it. They made their money by oppressing others, now they get to feel great about themselves.
Maybe I'm just cynical, but that's the way I see it.
Response to mucifer (Reply #1)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:24 AM
Star Member brooklynite (18,739 posts)
50. "They made their money by oppressing others"
Um, they made their money by creating a product that almost everyone needs. Where does the oppression come in?
esponse to kysrsoze (Reply #13)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:42 AM
ND-Dem (877 posts)
16. Yes, I'd gladly trade their philanthropy (much of which has two faces, ulterior motives, etc) for
more equality -- which pays dividends greater than any philanthropy.
I don't like puff pieces and PR releases, but some people love them and find them heartwarming. More comforting to think the rich are looking out for us than that they're actively looking for new ways to **** us 24/7.
You said my statement was incorrect. Did you decide it wasn't, after all?
Response to ND-Dem (Reply #16)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:54 AM
kysrsoze (3,730 posts)
23. I'd rather see philanthropy AND a complete rewrite of the American/global capitalistic economic syst
It's not a zero-sum game. Your assumption that everyone made their fortune in the same way... solely off the back of everyone else, is wrong. They did not seek to control and mold the economic system as a means to becoming wealthier, as Adelson, Romney, Kochs and countless others have. They achieved it through innovation, the same innovation they try to apply to their philanthropic work. I'm not going to fault them for that.
And yes, I will stand by my statement that you are dead-wrong about the growth of their net worth. You cited a small chunk in time... up 1% as of right now (most of that influenced by the short-term fluctuation of the markets. If you take the time to look over the entire page I linked, you'll see a handy-dandy chart showing steady reduction in Gates' net worth over time. You want to be nitpicky? Make sure you absorb and understand what you're actually reading.
Response to kysrsoze (Reply #23)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 01:01 AM
ND-Dem (877 posts)
26. Big money is always made off someone else's back.
and as for that chart ("Net Worth Over Time"), I think you're reading it backwards: it starts on the right (2010, $54B) and moves to the right (September 2014, $81B). So not only has he gotten richer, he's gotten about 50% richer.)
Response to ND-Dem (Reply #30)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:24 AM
kcr (8,082 posts)
51. Yes, exactly.
I don't doubt their intentions, and they have done some great things, but their massive wealth is a huge part of the problem. I also wish they would stop meddling in education.
Response to kysrsoze (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:49 AM
FLPanhandle (3,435 posts)
47. Gates screwed US workers over and over again
He was the prime player in increasing H1B workers so he could lay off or not hire more expensive US workers.
He profited greatly by screwing Americans.
Now he gives some back and we are supposed to praise him?
**** that.
Yet you want amnesty for millions of minimum wage illegals.
Oh wait,that`s right,you just want them on the welfare rolls not on any payrolls.
Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:22 AM
liberal_at_heart (8,839 posts)
5. screw Bill Gates and his charter school movement.
Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #14)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:44 AM
liberal_at_heart (8,839 posts)
18. We must approach income inequality by increasing funding for all education, get rid of the minimum
wage and create a living wage, strengthen unions, establish single payer health care, and strengthen social programs such as food stamps, WIC, and low income housing. Philanthropy alone cannot do it, but they could help especially if we taxed them more and used that tax money for the things I just suggested.
In other words,take their money and make sure you get it so you can smoke dope all day at your free house.
Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:59 AM
pansypoo53219 (10,442 posts)
39. unless they say their taxes should be 75%. STFU.
Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 06:44 AM
bulloney (3,326 posts)
45. I've often wondered how generous these philanthropists would be
if they couldn't write the money off from their taxes.
You know that's a big factor.
When you come down to it, these foundations and other charities are actually funded by us taxpayers.
Idiocy like that should be flammable.
Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:03 AM
Vinca (22,751 posts)
49. It always seems to make the poor folk feel like beggars, doesn't it?
Yeah,they should hold their heads high and their hands out.
God I hate these useless ****ers.
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Why so angry? Gates got his $$ by creating and achieving. And by being more successful than the Mac that so many Libs and Progs so dearly love (but have trouble affording, forcing them to use the hated Gates' products!).
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Why so angry? Gates got his $$ by creating and achieving. And by being more successful than the Mac that so many Libs and Progs so dearly love (but have trouble affording, forcing them to use the hated Gates' products!).
You answered your own question Pete.
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The moochers don't seem to understand that Mr. Bill doesn't have any money until he peddles some stock.
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Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:05 AM
mucifer (9,878 posts)
1. I don't want us to be the playthings of the wealthy.
That's the way I see it. They made their money by oppressing others, now they get to feel great about themselves.
Maybe I'm just cynical, but that's the way I see it.
Sez da tongue-tied m(l)ucifer primitive while typing away on his windows equipped computer, using MS IE to browz the internetz.
Bill Gates and Paul Allen were college dropouts with an idea. Their ideas took off, people clamored for their products and made 'em rich beyond their wildest dreams. At least Gates is trying to give something back to humanity. He's not sitting around in a shanty grumbling about how others have it so easy and what about poor, poor, pitiful me.
A better man, or woman, than you would take inspiration from what Gates and his foundation are doing. Like volunteer in your community. That don't cost much. A little time, clean clothes and a smile.
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These assholes talk about how everyone should give away their money. Do they give away what they have? Just curious if they lead by example.
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Sez da tongue-tied moocifer primitive while typing away on his windows equipped computer, using MS IE to browz the internets
Bill Gates and Paul Allen were college dropouts with an idea. Their ideas took off, people clamored for their products and made 'em rich beyond their wildest dreams. At least Gates is trying to give something back to humanity. He's not sitting around in a shanty grumbling about how others have it so easy and what about poor, poor, pitiful me.
A better man, or woman, than you would take inspiration from what Gates and his foundation are doing. Like volunteer in your community. That don't cost much. A little time, clean clothes and a smile.
Minor spelling changes are fun. :-)
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These assholes talk about how everyone should give away their money. Do they give away what they have? Just curious if they lead by example.
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The dummie is just mad cause he ain't gonna get any of that free money.
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Star Member brooklynite (18,739 posts)
50. "They made their money by oppressing others"
Um, they made their money by creating a product that almost everyone needs. Where does the oppression come in?
So we needed computers before they were built and made cheap enough for most people to afford? Why didn't the government fill that need? We got along fine without computers for decades.
Response to ND-Dem (Original post)
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 12:22 AM
liberal_at_heart (8,839 posts)
5. screw Bill Gates and his charter school movement.
Bill Gates supports Obama's Common Core, aka dumbing down America even more.
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mucifer (9,878 posts)
1. I don't want us to be the playthings of the wealthy.
That's the way I see it. They made their money by oppressing others, now they get to feel great about themselves.
No, you flipping imbecile, you want to be the plaything of the Government! You stupid asshole.
Maybe I'm just cynical, but that's the way I see it.
No, you're retarded.
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Yeah,they should hold their heads high and their hands out.
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So we needed computers before they were built and made cheap enough for most people to afford? Why didn't the government fill that need? We got along fine without computers for decades.
Bill Gates supports Obama's Common Core, aka dumbing down America even more.
Often a "want" supplied quickly becomes a need. Back in ancient times, when accountants used #2 pencils, a spreadsheet was a piece of paper, often large, in which a number would be changed, and then successive calculations were manually changed using that #2 lencil and an eraser. When Visicalc came out, ca, 1980, a CPM-based computer did those "erasures" and recalculations that took minutes in a second or two at most. IOW, computers weren't needed, but they soon became essential. The same could be said of Wordstar and word processing & desktop publishing.
In fairness, government and universities were in on the earliest days of computers, in the 1940s and 1950s; military necessity played a large, if not huge, role in that involvement. By the late 60s companies like IBM, Burroughs, and DEC were driving computer development and innovation. Then along came Intel ... (and Motorola and a host of other microprocessors and microcontrollers).
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Bill Gates, living Hank Rearden's life but without the self-awareness.
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Why so angry? Gates got his $$ by creating and achieving. And by being more successful than the Mac that so many Libs and Progs so dearly love (but have trouble affording, forcing them to use the hated Gates' products!).
DUmmies are always angry.
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mucifer (9,878 posts)
1. I don't want us to be the playthings of the wealthy.
That's the way I see it. They made their money by oppressing others, now they get to feel great about themselves.
Two minor questions, DUmbass molestifer. The answers should be easy for someone with such "superior" intellect.
1. Name the person or persons actually oppressed by Gates. Please give concrete evidence, such as names, times, and places of the person or persons oppressed, and just what was done to oppress them.
2. Explain to me how Gates having billions of dollars effects my life in any way, regardless of whether or not he hoards it, invests it, burns it, or pisses gives it away.
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mucifer (9,878 posts)
1. I don't want us to be the playthings of the wealthy.
That's the way I see it. They made their money by oppressing others, now they get to feel great about themselves.
This dude should live by the "principle" he advocates. He could start by ceasing to use the products of the wealthy oppressors, Andy Grove, Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, and Steve Jobs!
And should he need hospitalization, he should insist that the medical instrument products of the wealthy oppressors Bill Hewlett and David Packard not be used! That includes both HP branded and Agilent branded instruments; Agilent was spun off from HP.