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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on January 21, 2015, 11:37:42 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026115757
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 06:32 AM
redgreenandblue (1,317 posts)
As far as I'm concerned, fighting for the US in Iraq is equivalent to fighting for the Confederacy.
There is wide range of personal motivations that people had for doing so, and there may be some room for stories of "heroic self-sacrifice", but there is no denying that the cause was rotten to the bone. Celebrations of heroism of the Confederacy will always be problematic and, especially when they ignore the other side and the broader context, bordering on racist. Iraq is the same
If you are not a mole then die slowly in a fire asshole. :bird:
Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:15 AM
Nuclear Unicorn (13,793 posts)
1. I'm no fan of the Iraq war but Saddam hardly strikes me as being analogous to Lincoln's Union. nt
Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #1)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:48 AM
redgreenandblue (1,317 posts)
3. You don't wage war against a person. You wage war against a group of people.
In the case of the Iraq war, it was the people of Iraq who were attacked. They might as well have been "Lincoln's Union", in so far as they were simply a group of people minding their own business.
Germany vs. Poland would serve as an analogy just as well, but the American civil war is something more people can relate to I suppose.
Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:40 AM
Star Member brooklynite (18,706 posts)
2. Hyperbole (n): exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 07:55 AM
Star Member SidDithers (34,975 posts)
4. It's what powers DU....nt
Sid
No shit and then you wonder why the DUmp is mocked.
Response to brooklynite (Reply #2)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:51 AM
Star Member Zorra (24,123 posts)
15. Hyperbole or not, what compels you to come forth with a veiled defense of Bush's war? nt
Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:11 AM
KingCharlemagne (2,803 posts)
9. More like fighting for Nazi Germany in World War II, but "rotten to the bone" pretty
accurately describes the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the U.S. cause.
ETA: At least some of the German soldiers, sailors and airmen could argue they were conscripted into service on behalf of their evil cause. U.S. servicepeople, by contrast, can only argue a 'poverty draft' compelled them to enlist, rather weaker sauce, imo. Lyndie England (she of Abu Ghraib notoriety) said she only enlisted b/c the only place hiring within a 60-mile radius of her home was WalMart.
Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:15 AM
Star Member Renew Deal (59,874 posts)
10. That's a fringe extremist viewpoint
Meaning that not even the fringe believes in that kind of nonsense. Actually, it's just trash.
Response to Renew Deal (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:24 AM
redgreenandblue (1,317 posts)
11. So, what is your opinion on the legitimacy of the Iraq war?
Response to redgreenandblue (Reply #11)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:25 AM
KingCharlemagne (2,803 posts)
12. KA-BOOM! - nt
Response to redgreenandblue (Original post)
Wed Jan 21, 2015, 10:33 AM
hack89 (28,922 posts)
27. So every single soldier that fought in Iraq is a traitor? Really? nt
You don`t smell the sewage you stand in?
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Iraq=racist
It was only a matter of time.
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Soldiers have fought with valor and distinction for causes just and unjust, in wars necessary and pointless, since time immemorial, the justice of the cause or rectitude of the war has nothing to do with the heroism of the men fighting.
DUmmies are idiots.
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Back to where they were at the start of the war.
When the Surge proved a success they didn't want to appear in campaign ads dissing the troops.
Now that Obama has squandered US lives by conceding Iraq to ISIS they're desperate to once again claim it was an immoral war.
Treasonous assholes <-- not hyperbole
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redgreenandblue (1,317 posts)
3. You don't wage war against a person. You wage war against a group of people.
In the case of the Iraq war, it was the people of Iraq who were attacked. They might as well have been "Lincoln's Union", in so far as they were simply a group of people minding their own business.
Those silly Iraqis, just doing what they do and mindin' they own bidness...
https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0LEVyj9079U4.wAAC9XNyoA?p=gassed+kurds&fr=yfp-t-400&fr2=piv-web
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Uh oh.
Zorra (24,123 posts) Wed Jan 21, 2015, 08:51 AM
response to brooklynite
15. Hyperbole or not, what compels you to come forth with a veiled defense of Bush's war?
Another primitive just went on franksolich's list, for attacking one of the very few primitives with any honesty and integrity.
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America = The Klan & Oathkeeper/Militia Rednecks Turd Worlders/Muslims = Folks of Color & oppressed & Occupied ... :popcorn:
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Iraq=racist
It was only a matter of time.
Just more of the attack on Chris Kyle.
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Sadaam was definitely patriotic when he murdered 90,000 Kurds with nerve gas. Definitely a modern-day Lincoln mixed with Washington and Ben Franklin.
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The fact that Iraqis are free and we've rebuilt their cities and towns better than they were before the war and that women don't have to be raped by Saddam, his sons and all their entourage and risk death aren't important. Nor does it matter that ISIS has retaken land we helped them take back from terrorists (granted they weren't as brutal as ISIS) because 0bama pulled out too soon. He probably went flaccid and had no choice.
Cindie
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I find analogies of this sort more persuasive when they are analogous.
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I find analogies of this sort more persuasive when they are analogous.
Nice.