inanna (968 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014980995
Some 30,000 Germans protest against anti-Islam rallies
Source: Associated Press
BERLIN (AP) — The square around the Cologne Cathedral was plunged into darkness Monday evening after the historical landmark in western Germany shut down its lights in a silent protest of weekly rallies in Dresden against the perceived "Islamization" of Europe.
The symbolic act came as thousands of Germans demonstrated in Cologne and several other cities against the ongoing protests by the group calling itself Patriotic Europeans against the Islamization of the West, or PEGIDA, which attracted its biggest crowd yet in Dresden on Monday night.
Cologne Cathedral provost Norbert Feldhoff, told n-tv that shutting down the lights was an attempt to make the PEGIDA demonstrators think twice about their protest.
"You're taking part in an action that, from its roots and also from speeches, one can see is Nazi-ist, racist and extremist," he said on n-tv. "And you're supporting people you really don't want to support."
Read more: http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article_2015-01-05-EU--Germany-Anti-Islam%20Rallies/id-3eb466b1cb714cb4ade69e12f3288575
cosmicone (6,590 posts)
1. I don't know how many of these protesters would abide by sharia law
At the same time, 1 in 8 Germans are showing willingness to join the anti-Islamization march.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2015/01/01/Merkel-warns-against-condemns-anti-Islam-movements-in-Germany.html
Also, one needs to be able to differentiate between anti-Islam movements which are xenophobic/racist and anti-Islamization movements which are against sharia being rammed down people's throats.
The former are clearly heinous but the latter are not. Every ethnicity should be welcomed with open arms and their faiths/cultures respected as long as it is not being forced on other cultures.
The problem comes from some people believing that their way is superior, other people's ways are inferior and the other people should be forced to believe as they do.
Fred Sanders (7,131 posts)
2. Where is sharia law being "forced down anyone's throats" which is a Fox News theme, by the way? Are you afraid someone will do this throat forcing in America....name one Western nation or place where throats have been so severely violated, or where such violent non-consensual things are happening?
Meanwhile take a look at all the Maria law being forced upon folks.
Burf-_- (148 posts)
4. It happens.... a LOT.
I'd think anyone a fool if they are actually suggesting that this doesn't ever happen, Especially in America. There are more radical ( yeah there's that word again) christian evangelicals than ever showing up outside of entertainment events hollering thier "JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY REPENT" crap. Brandishing signs, accusing everyone coming and going of every sin they can list on their silly signs. I recently went to Dave Chappelle's stage show and these kooks were out there pushing their holier than thou noise in everyone's faces, waving bibles tauntingly, the whole fire and brimstone indignation. They even had made street sign toppers that said "Retribution Way", I think I was probably the only one to notice it ( I think that could be illegal actually). I... like most in line with me, laughed at them heartily, but some people can actually be intimidated/shamed and leave because of it, and that is wrong.
I've also seen them at just about any rock band, or secular comedian, or anything they don't think is wholesome. Let's not even mention Westboro Baptist Church and all their hate crimes in the name of "god". I know some people like think these some of these same kinds of behavior aren't happening with evangelical radical Islamic groups in Europe, but they are, they so are, and there's plenty of video proof of it all over the internet, all but few clicks on google will most certainly reveal from multiple sources.
Another point that needs to be made clear is that a Religion IS NOT a Race, that is a False Equivocation fallacy. So I'm sorry but no one gets to use the race card on it anymore to dishonestly accuse someone of being racist for pointing it out. There is definitely a difference between a radical and common practitioner in any religion if anyone likes to think so or not. Cosmicone has it spot on above with this:
"The problem comes from some people believing that their way is superior, other people's ways are inferior and the other people should be forced to believe as they do".
As long as that sort of mentality is allowed to persist in humanity no progress will ever be made towards any kind of peace.
cosmicone (6,590 posts).
13. I have never posted anything against Muslims as a whole
I have treated victims of terrorism while the perpetrators were given safe passage and hidden by a hostile Muslim country.
I have a tremendous hatred for terrorism, >95% of which is perpetrated in the name of Islam while a vast majority remains silent. My posts are directed at terrorists and wherever there is brutality/injustice spread in the name of religion. Then there is the extreme misogyny with honor killings, forced marriages, lack of freedom in attire etc.
I would rather see Muslims bring back their glorified past in science, literature and the arts (Kahlil Jibran, Rumi, Umar Khayyam etc.) rather than the worship of violent and rabidly religious characters whose atrocities are exalted for the masses.
Fortunately, more and more sane and rational Islamic leaders are speaking out against ISIS and other outfits and hopefully, the sympathy and support they generate in the minds of younger Muslims will undergo a sea change
Sunlei (7,735 posts)
23. Would be interesting to see who exactly started that "sharia law fear". I think that line
started to be used mainstream first in the USA about 10 -14 years ago?, along with the anti-Muslim groups ramped up by 9-11 fears.
Was it one of foxes early statements they made along with their anti-Muslim TV 'fear-news'? I can't remember. Someone clever with search engines needs to reveal who started and pushed the "Sharia Law" statement. It's spread to Europe now!
DUmmies fear a right-wing religious take over in the US, but welcome a truly evil Islamic movement. :hammer:Far Left & Left in America fear Conservatives & Tea Partiers & Oathkeeper/Militia & Fundys far more than they fear Militant Islamists ...
"The problem comes from some people believing that their way is superior, other people's ways are inferior and the other people should be forced to believe as they do".
Oh, dear... that wont go over well at the DUmp.
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Fred Sanders (7,131 posts)
2. Where is sharia law being "forced down anyone's throats" which is a Fox News theme, by the way? Is that a question, Fred? You seem so sure of yourself. ::) Are you afraid someone will do this throat forcing in America....name one Western nation or place where throats have been so severely violated, or where such violent non-consensual things are happening?
Meanwhile take a look at all the Maria law being forced upon folks.
Isn't that what the liberals want to do with their ideology?
Far Left & Left in America fear Conservatives & Tea Partiers & Oathkeeper/Militia & Fundys far more than they fear Militant Islamists ...
Nazis and Islamists have been allies in the past. As many Nazis fled to South America, many fled to the Middle East, mainly Egypt and Syria.
Why Did So Many Wanted Nazis Convert To Islam?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/giulio-meotti/why-did-so-many-wanted-nazis-convert-to-islam/
*Looks, across the cesspool, at Skin's Island of Misfit Single-Cell Organisms* Sound familiar, (D)Ullards?
Three Murderous Ideologies: Nazism, Communism, and Militant Islam
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/three_murderous_ideologies_nazism_communism_and_militant_islam.html
Radical Islam's Alliance with the Socialist Left
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=291
Islam and Communism in the 20th Century: An Historical Summary
http://www.islamicpluralism.org/documents/islam-communism.pdf
I have zero sympathy for Fred (good riddance!) Phelps and his mini hate-cult, but what "hate crimes" have they committed? The definition of a "hate crime" is supposed to be that it is a crime that was motivated by hatred. I won't dispute that the Phelpsians have plenty of hatred, but what crimes have they committed (more serious than parking tickets or disorderly conduct or disagreeing with Burf-_-)?
I would rather see Muslims bring back their glorified past in science, literature and the arts (Kahlil Jibran, Rumi, Umar Khayyam etc.) rather than the worship of violent and rabidly religious characters whose atrocities are exalted for the masses.
"The problem comes from some people believing that their way is superior, other people's ways are inferior and the other people should be forced to believe as they do".
As long as that sort of mentality is allowed to persist in humanity no progress will ever be made towards any kind of peace.
As if on cue, the "Please Post Stupid Shit, Fred", light winks on!
DUmmies fear a right-wing religious take over in the US, but welcome a truly evil Islamic movement. :hammer:
Looks like les Jihadis were busy demonstrating their peaceful intent and beneficent nature in Paris today.
The term was foisted, on the world by the left, for the very reason of sliding scale definitions. Eventually, anything and everything fits the definition.
Yeah, I considered including a comment in that post to the effect that it was silly of me to assume that anything has an actual meaning. That's how looking at a woman and ignoring a woman became "stare-rape" and "ignore-rape". Back when words had meaning that was called "cognitive dissonance", but now I suppose thinking words have meaning is another, yet undiscovered, form of rape.
For the Fred Sanders primitive who is in denial about Sharia law being implemented:
Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up.
Communities have been bombarded with the posters, which read: ‘You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone – Islamic rules enforced.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html
Oklahoma's law banning Sharia law from courts has been struck down, and only six other conservative states (Louisiana, Arizona, North Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Kansas) have been able to pass Sharia law-limiting legislation, and only after watering them to not even mention the word, "Sharia."
The woman's lawyer, Jennifer Donnelly of New Jersey Legal Services, told FoxNews.com that Charles' ruling should add to the case for a proposed Oklahoma law, which will be on the ballot in November, which would ban judges from considering "international law or Shariah Law" in their rulings.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/advocates-anti-shariah-measures-alarmed-judges-ruling/
In 2013, Skokie School District 68 in Illinois became the first US school district to celebrate Eid al-Adha, a Muslim high day, as a school holiday, in lieu of Veterans Day. In 2014,
In 1996, Bill Clinton became the first US president to hold an Eid al-Fitr dinner at the White House to celebrate the end of Ramadan, the Muslim month-long dawn-to-dusk fast. Eid al-Fitr includes six "Takbirs," the raising of hands and shouting, "Allahu Akbar!" to declare that Allah, the moon god, is the "Greatest."
Dr. Maher Hathout, a prominent interfaith leader the first Muslim invited to give the invocation prayer at the Democratic National Convention in 2000. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/maher-hathout-interfaith-muslim-leader-dead-79-28042370
The lefts enchantment with islamists is threefold I believe.
First,they view them as a comrade in arms to an extent,after all they hate American capitalism just as they do so how can it be all that bad.
Naturally they feel that as a gratitude for not impeding them they will be spared the horrors of an islamist state.
Second is that it shows the lefts world view as hopelessly failed,there is actual evil that needs to be defended against.
This means that resources (money) has to be used to that end and that means those dollars can`t be given to them.
Lastly is they have a common enemy in Israel.
Nothing infuriates the Godless hatred of the left more then the existence of a Jewish state and its Biblical implications.
The vast majority of the left would happily see Israel destroyed tomorrow.