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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on December 29, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
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Mon Dec 29, 2014, 09:31 AM
Star Member MrScorpio (61,820 posts)
Out of my 22 year military career, I never took another person's life...
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I have no qualms admitting to the fact that I served in an Air Force support career field. Had they put a weapon in my hand and sent me into a combat situation, it would have been one of those last resort situations. Besides, as most other military folks around here know, in the Air Force, the enlisted personnel aren't usually those who are trigger pullers anyway.
But I'm proud of the fact that I have no blood on my hands. I never considered taking anyone else's life an accomplishment worthy of serving my country.
As a matter of fact, I could of remained in the USAF for two more years before either needing a promotion or retiring. I chose to retire (partly) because I was sick of the fact that we were in an illegal war in Iraq, not to mention personal reasons.
Had I taken anyone's life for any reason, I don't know how I'd live with myself. Unlike the Army or the Marines, most US Airmen are not expected in engage enemy forces in close combat situations. It can happen, and has for people in support related, non-combat related specialties, but it's not always likely. Much of this has to do with mission and proximity. For example, old vets told me about Vietnam and when the Personnel Office was mortared. And I served with a woman who survived the Khobar Towers bombing and was awarded a Purple Heart. The closest I've ever come personally to any potential combat situation was during my 22 months in South Korea, during some times of tension with the North.
But, all in all, I consider myself extremely fortunate. I chose not to put myself in situations where I could take lives and I was lucky that those situations were never put upon me.
Before I joined the USAF, I told my one of my closest cousins, who just happened to be a US Marine at the time that I had decided to enlist. We were always very close since we were kids and she was very aware of my nature. It was she who suggested that I avoid the Army and the Marine Corps like the plague. I took her advice, of course. I served my time in the military and retained my humanity. I also had no blood on my hands during my service.
When I see people like George Zimmerman, Darren Wilson and others express NO REMORSE for the lives they've personally taken, I take them at their word. I also take it that they're people who have lost their humanity before they pulled the trigger. Taking someone else's life is a big deal. It can't be done casually and callously by those who have a deep sense of humanity. It can be taught, but I doubt that to even for those who have retained their sense of reality, they do have a sense of remorse. Taking the lives of others, for any reason, destroys one's own.
That's just basic human decency.
I would imagine that some of the most broken people walking around on this planet are those who have been made "heroes" for taking the lives of others and retain a deep sense of remorse for their own actions. Whether they're in war or on the streets in a cop's uniform.
Those that do not feel that remorse should never be allowed to be put in situations where they could take another's life. That is, if you want to abolish war and murder in our streets in the name of authority. That is, if you want to keep the people who would send them out to kill others out of power over all of us. That is, if you want peace.
I respect your service if true but beyond that **** you,you just shit on all that served.
A few typical rah rah idiot replies and then this.
Response to MrScorpio (Original post)
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:43 AM
DustyJoe (343 posts)
11. human indecency
It can't be done casually and callously by those who have a deep sense of humanity. It can be taught, but I doubt that to even for those who have retained their sense of reality, they do have a sense of remorse. Taking the lives of others, for any reason, destroys one's own.
That's just basic human decency.
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Well I am one of those indecent, inhumane humans that at 18 yrs old was in close combat in an infantry unit and participated in both the Jan/Feb and May 1968 Tet campaigns.
I have as much remorse for them as the NVA and VC had for the US personnel they killed or wounded, NONE.
I consider I have no blood on my hands, but I did leave a bunch of mine in a ditch south of Saigon in May 1968. I can only hope as a combat veteran, not a hero (have never been called one or been considered one) as few teenage PFC infantrymen are ever called heros, can only hope my unit and I personally dished out as good as my unit took. I feel good about my service and will never look back in regret.
Kudos for you landing a calm rear echelon day job, and consider fellow military that were involved in combat as lacking human decency and less than human. But even your job was to support your fellow military.
Best wartime speech segment by Gen Patton
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An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, and fights as a team. This individual hero stuff is bullshit. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real battle than they do about ****ing. And we have the best team—we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor bastards we're going up against.
All the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters. Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. What if every truck driver decided that he didn't like the whine of the shells and turned yellow and jumped headlong into a ditch? That cowardly bastard could say to himself, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then? No, thank God, Americans don't say that. Every man does his job. Every man is important. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the quartermaster is needed to bring up the food and clothes for us because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last damn man in the mess hall, even the one who boils the water to keep us from getting the GI shits, has a job to do.
Each man must think not only of himself, but think of his buddy fighting alongside him. We don't want yellow cowards in the army. They should be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war, ******* cowards, and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the ******* cowards and we'll have a nation of brave men.
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I hope Lamond didn't hurt himself patting his own back.
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But I'm proud of the fact that I have no blood on my hands.
That's the same exact mindset that makes eradicating drugs so difficult.
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Yay, another moral lecture from a "pro-choice" blowhard. He's just trying to pick up the ball the fake Coastie dropped in that other thread. Tool.
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Star Member MrScorpio (61,820 posts)
Out of my 22 year military career, I never took another person's life...
Last edited Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)
I have no qualms admitting to the fact that I served in an Air Force support career field.
<blah, blah, blah>
So the dummie supposedly served in the Air Force and was career military at that? I must have missed that little detail. I will not believe it until proven. Dummies lie. Dummies lie all the time.
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When I graduated from 11E (Later changed to 19E) AIT in 1975, our company commander gave us a talk including sentiments that if it came to a shooting war, feel good about any enemies you kill because they won't be killing your buddies or you. I have never had any reason to think he was wrong.
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Yay, another moral lecture from a "pro-choice" blowhard. He's just trying to pick up the ball the fake Coastie dropped in that other thread. Tool.
At first, I thought he was re-posting it.
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So the dummie supposedly served in the Air Force and was career military at that? I must have missed that little detail. I will not believe it until proven. Dummies lie. Dummies lie all the time.
That's the first I've heard of it. I would think that would have been mentioned over and over, by now.
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That's the first I've heard of it. I would think that would have been mentioned over and over, by now.
His career as an Air Force non-comm has always been part of Lamond's backstory.
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His career as an Air Force non-comm has always been part of Lamond's backstory.
I missed it.
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It's not odd to find someone who did 20 years and never deploy. Rember after Vietnam the 'wars' we had were pretty little until after 9/11.
I just had the luck to be in the right place at the right time during my service. Of course I was Infantry and not some poge-assed Jr. birdman...
:-)
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That's the first I've heard of it. I would think that would have been mentioned over and over, by now.
Ditto.
I have a cousin (my uncle's daughter) that retired as a Brigadier General from the Air Force (her husband retired as a full Colonel, their son graduated from the academy last year). I bet she'd love to chew on that particular story for a minute.
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I missed it.
Ditto.
Same here. Oh well. I'll grieve over that for oh about 1 millisecond. :cheersmate:
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It's not odd to find someone who did 20 years and never deploy. Rember after Vietnam the 'wars' we had were pretty little until after 9/11.
I just had the luck to be in the right place at the right time during my service. Of course I was Infantry and not some poge-assed Jr. birdman...
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For those who don't know what a poge is...
Anyone who would get caught in a trap baited with pogey bait.
Not to mention geedunk.
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Mon Dec 29, 2014, 09:31 AM
Star Member MrScorpio (61,820 posts)
Had they put a weapon in my hand and sent me into a combat situation, it would have been one of those last resort situations.
For the safety and sake of whatever potential battle buddy that would have had the shit luck to have you watching his back, I'm glad they kept you as far away from any real action as possible, you ****ing coward.
Signed,
Me (USN Retired)
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I missed it.
There is a photo, somewhere. TSgt Pineapple Head, if I recall.
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His career as an Air Force non-comm has always been part of Lamond's backstory.
So. MrsCorpio has been lying for years then...
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Having worked with loadies, TACP's, and JTAC's, I can attest that not all of the Air Force are non-combatants. Hell, even the loadies (loadmasters) on a C-130 were proud and did something vital for our troops in Afghanistan; air dropping vital supplies.
That this oxygen-thief feels morally superior because he didn't get any 'blood on his hands' unlike some of his fellow airmen, and belittles their contributions. He says basically that anyone who has killed someone is morally bankrupt.
All I have to say to this asshole is :bigbird:.