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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2010, 11:40:57 AM »
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2010, 11:44:38 AM »
I think the gas shortage and gaslines were under Nixon...back in '74 & '75... but the extreme inflation and interest rates were under Carter. Off road diesel fuel went from 15.9 cent a gallon in Oct. of '74 to $1.39.9 before Jimmah left office. Inflation was so bad and so fast you couldn't bid a job more that 3 or 4 weeks out.

I'm not taking up for him, just giving him what's due him. I suffered something terrible under Carter.....up until about '82 or '83.
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2010, 12:06:40 PM »
When you hear about what an awful President Jimmuh was, you don't often get a feel for the full spectrum of awfulness Jimmuh truly was. You hear about the astronomical 20+% mortgage rate and the 10+% unemployment rate - those are the obvious things. But Jimmuh probably had less control over those disasters than other actions that were pure Jimmuh, and contributed to the miserable experience of his presidency. How about his reaction to the "Arab oil embargo", the embargo that never was? Jimmuh's meddling with distribution and inventories led to huge lineups for gasoline and artificial shortages all over the country. How about his energy independence initiatives? More nukes? No. Encourage coal production? No. Encourage offshore drilling? No. He put up his silly solar panels to deface the White House, and pushed his moonbat democrat Congress to pass the universally-ignored 55 mile-per-hour speed limit for interstate highways, the single stupidest legislative act since Prohibition. All he accomplished was to make a fortune for CB radio makers, good buddy. And don't forget the whiny Jimmuh, scolding us for the "malaise", and the moonbat symbolism Jimmuh, giving televised addresses telling us to turn down our thermostats while wearing a bulky sweater. How about the preachy, wannabe dictator Jimmuh, with his "mandatory" conversion to the metric system? Jimmuh told us he would kill off inches, miles, and gallons within ten years. I think that is his real legacy. A few kilometer signs went up on highways in moonbat areas, but to this day no one knows or cares what they mean. You can forget about the little embarrassments, like his interview on how he had "lust in my heart" for other women but remained true to Rosalyn, or his interview on the attack by the killer rabbit. You can even forget his stupid decision to boycott the Olympics because the Russians were killing ragheads. But you cannot forget or forgive his monumental incompetence and micromanaging of the military. Proving that an Annapolis graduate can be an absolute military moron, he meddled, minute by minute, in an attempt by an incredibly brave group of Americans heroes to rescue the hostages in Iran. The attempt, with Jimmuh giving directions from 5000 miles away, was catastrophic.

The jug-eared Kenyan may one day be regarded as worse than Jimmuh Carter, but he has a log way to go.

And if all that weren't enough, he gave away the Panama Canal.........which is now managed by the Chinese......

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2010, 12:27:19 PM »
They invented the MISERY INDEX specifically for him.

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2010, 12:38:25 PM »
I think the gas shortage and gaslines were under Nixon...back in '74 & '75... but the extreme inflation and interest rates were under Carter. Off road diesel fuel went from 15.9 cent a gallon in Oct. of '74 to $1.39.9 before Jimmah left office. Inflation was so bad and so fast you couldn't bid a job more that 3 or 4 weeks out.
You are right about the gas lines while Nixon was in office, and the initiation of the 55mph limit. My apologies to any lurking Jimmuhphiles. But we also had long lines in 1979, when Jimmuh abandoned the Shah, and allowed the crazy mullahs to take over Iran. That was a result of Jimmuh's disastrously naive "human rights" policies. An interesting piece on Jimmuh's Mideast expertise is here: http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/08/jimmy_carters_human_rights_dis.html

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2010, 12:41:37 PM »
1. He gave away the Panama canal

2. He allowed the Iranians to hold our fellow citizens hostage for 444 days and let them take over the embassy and set into motion events that allowed 9/11 to happen

3. He was going to pull American troops out of South Korea until everyone including Gen John K Singlaub rightfully pitched a bitch about it. The Gen had to resign for standing up to the peanut farmer.

4. Double digit inflation and unemployment

5. He pardoned all draft dodging assholes that wouldn't answer the call to duty and paved the way for Clinton to get into office.
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2010, 02:02:24 PM »
When you start listing all the things Jimmuh screwed up beyond all recognition, it's kind of amazing to think that such an incompetent boob could botch so many things with just a single term in office. He was a busy, busy boob! And he was consistent - every single thing he did, he got exactly wrong!

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2010, 03:22:08 PM »
1. He gave away the Panama canal

2. He allowed the Iranians to hold our fellow citizens hostage for 444 days and let them take over the embassy and set into motion events that allowed 9/11 to happen

3. He was going to pull American troops out of South Korea until everyone including Gen John K Singlaub rightfully pitched a bitch about it. The Gen had to resign for standing up to the peanut farmer.

4. Double digit inflation and unemployment

5. He pardoned all draft dodging assholes that wouldn't answer the call to duty and paved the way for Clinton to get into office.

addendum to #4.....you forgot double digit interest rates...first home loan was 14%.

6. He eliminated the entire human intelligence network of the CIA in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia under his CIA Director, Stansfield Turner, in favor of satellites.

7. carter thought that Ayatollah Khomeni, a Muslim exile in Paris, would make a fairer Iranian leader than the Shah because he was a religious man. Carter withdrew U.S. support from the Shah ,and the Shah was overthrown. The Ayatollah returned and promptly proclaimed Iran an Islamic nation.
Khomeni eliminates his opposition with the help of the PLO. Khomeni also creates Hezbollah.

8. After a meeting with Soviet leader Brezhnev, in which Carter kissed Brezhnev on both cheeks, the
Russians invaded Afghanistan. Carter was shocked that "the Russians lied to me!"

9.Russian expansion in Ethiopia, South Yemen, Angola, Cambodia, Mozambique, Grenada, and Nicaragua.

10 . Reduced military capabilities, 45% reduction in fighter aircraft, 75% in ships, 83% in attack submarines, and 90% in helicopters.

11. 12% inflation, 21% interest rates and 11% unemployment.....aka as the misery index.

Yes Carter was that bad.

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2010, 04:54:18 PM »
12. Created the Department of Energy.
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2010, 05:14:07 PM »
And yet another "carter was a great Prez!" thread.  Why the sudden need to venerate Carter?

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2010, 05:16:40 PM »
And yet another "carter was a great Prez!" thread.  Why the sudden need to venerate Carter?


It's almost as if they want PresBO to be the worst by far, instead of Carter being a close second. 

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2010, 05:24:10 PM »
Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.

He invented the "religious right."

Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.

What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.

The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.

And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.

Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."

And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2010, 05:29:03 PM »
And yet another "carter was a great Prez!" thread.  Why the sudden need to venerate Carter?


Denial of reality does not make it any less so.

Lurking DUmbasses...

Carter after 30 plus years still rates near the bottom of Presidential reckoning that will not ever change.
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2010, 05:34:13 PM »
Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.

He invented the "religious right."

Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.

What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.

The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.

And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.

Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."

And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.

One must remember Frank that Jmmuh set himself up as a religious paragon of virtue..without him doing that the religious right would have never seen fit to counter what Christianity was.

It was him that tried to make religious beliefs a political statement but the walk and the talk did not match.

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2010, 05:59:35 PM »
13. Leisure suits
14. Disco (Actually, I liked disco. But it's not cool to admit, and Jimmuh was responsible for it.)

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2010, 06:01:45 PM »
13. Leisure suits
14. Disco (Actually, I liked disco. But it's not cool to admit, and Jimmuh was responsible for it.)

Those remind me of the sparkling husband primitive.....as he is now.
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2010, 06:02:47 PM »
I was born in 1965 but have some clear memories of the Carter reign. Namely I applied for a part-time stockboy position in a local grocery store and got a call to interview. This was in early 1980 and the job was 15 hours a week after school at minimum wage. I arrived early and the little waiting area was empty. The store manager was informed someone was there and brought me right in to interview. After talking with the manager, I walked through the waiting area and remembered it was completely full... Mostly with 40-50 year old men! Some wearing suits!

I remember at the time being pissed thinking there is no way I would get the job and I didn't get it but years later realised just how horrible the economy was at that time. Its hard to imagine intense competition for a part-time minimum wage job but thats exactly what it was like in the 70's.

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2010, 07:43:13 PM »
Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.

He invented the "religious right."

Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.

What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.

The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.

And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.

Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."

And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.

I'm a little ambivalent about the "Religious Right", and I'm a "fundy". I think it distracted a lot of fundamentalists from our primary concerns, into politics. I don't mean that religious people shouldn't want a say in our nation's policies, as religious people, but I agree with Lester Roloff's stance on the issue-some fundamentalists made wrong alliances in the name of "politics".

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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2010, 08:21:58 PM »
Actually, the Incompetent One did do something constructive.

He invented the "religious right."

Take a look at newsmagazines from 1980 and before; I dare anyone to find the term "religious right" in any issue prior to, say, late 1977.

What happened was that the Incompetent One and others in his administration were telling some people from the south that they didn't count, that their feelings and values were stupid, and so they'd just better do things the way the Incompetent One and his allies said they should do them.

The best way to make an enemy of a man is by telling him he doesn't count.

And so beginning with a core group of southern Protestants, others found it irksome too that they "didn't count," and naturally coalesced towards this core group, until the movement encompassed northerners, westerners, Great Plainsians, even easterners, of various cultural, socioeconomic, and relligious groups whose essential values were similar.

Jimmy Carter created the "religious right."

And for that, we must thank Jimmy Carter.

All very true and accurate, as usual; related to this, Carter handed the South to the Republicans, a trend which continues to this day!
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Re: Was Jimmy Carter THAT Bad?
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2010, 09:33:10 PM »
I'm a little ambivalent about the "Religious Right", and I'm a "fundy". I think it distracted a lot of fundamentalists from our primary concerns, into politics. I don't mean that religious people shouldn't want a say in our nation's policies, as religious people, but I agree with Lester Roloff's stance on the issue-some fundamentalists made wrong alliances in the name of "politics".

I've never been exactly sure what the "religious right" is, but as it was something that scared the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, I've always appreciated it.

And it's always been fun, a Great Plainsian of Roman Catholic derivation, being grouped with southern Protestants.  It's been a great association.
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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2010, 09:42:22 PM »
I've never been exactly sure what the "religious right" is, but as it was something that scared the Democrats, liberals, and primitives, I've always appreciated it.

And it's always been fun, a Great Plainsian of Roman Catholic derivation, being grouped with southern Protestants.  It's been a great association.

I think at its height, it was a mixture of some mainstream Protestants, evangelicals, and a few who began as fundamentalists (Falwell), but "backslid" (LOL) into evangelicalism as political power went to their heads a bit. Not many true fundamentalist leaders got all that involved in it, due to varying degrees of fundamentalist concern with "be ye separate".

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« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2010, 10:04:55 PM »
I've never been exactly sure what the "religious right" is
It may have begun decades ago as a movement associated with evangelicals, but has since morphed, as used in the MSM and political discussion, to include anyone who believes in God, and who is, therefore, unlikely to vote for democrats. In the democrat lexicon, anyone who does not favor the unregulated killing of infants is a wingnut and a member of the religious right. In the 90s, we formed a vast conspiracy.

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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2010, 10:14:59 PM »
heh, I remember those days of total poorness, and had eaten many a dinner of tuna-noodle casserole made with gub-mint cheese. Frankly - that was some of the best tuna-noodle casserole ever. Its just not the same without that gooey orange goodness.  :-)

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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2010, 10:37:13 PM »
I've been told that gummint cheese is some of the best eating out there.  I guess quality is no limit when you're spending someone else's money.
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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2010, 12:08:38 AM »
I remember at the time being pissed thinking there is no way I would get the job and I didn't get it but years later realised just how horrible the economy was at that time. Its hard to imagine intense competition for a part-time minimum wage job but thats exactly what it was like in the 70's.

Those times are fast returning