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What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« on: April 06, 2012, 03:13:49 PM »
In your opinion, what's the best income tax plan?
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 03:20:23 PM »
I think the best short-term plan is the one Arthur Laffer proposed... lower all the existing tax rates and remove a majority of deductions.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2012, 03:41:50 PM »
5-10% consumption tax to pay for the common defense and a very limited regulation of interstate commerce, no deductions, all social programs relegated to the states.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2012, 05:08:18 PM »
1040 DUMMIE...PAY TAXES!!!!...who, me?

Taxes should be decided by people elected by those that have to show a W-2 form of over $50,000 earned income before being allowed to vote.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2012, 05:13:06 PM »
I would like to see some sort of consumption tax because then all the drug dealers who currently pay no tax because they have no "job" would actually pay something.

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2012, 05:30:37 PM »
1040 DUMMIE...PAY TAXES!!!!...who, me?

Taxes should be decided by people elected by those that have to show a W-2 form of over $50,000 earned income before being allowed to vote.

Disagree there. You sure you want the majority of the military without the ability to vote? There are good people making due of 30k not sucking off the system.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2012, 05:43:21 PM »
Disagree there. You sure you want the majority of the military without the ability to vote? There are good people making due of 30k not sucking off the system.

Well, we could get around that some how. Wear the uniform, get to vote.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2012, 05:57:07 PM »
Well, we could get around that some how. Wear the uniform, get to vote.

What about the conservative mechanic that makes 35k? No, I like my plan, along with repealing the 16th and 17th amendments.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 06:48:29 PM »
How about we repeal the 16th amendment and let people keep what they've earned rather than allowing the US Government to steal it?
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2012, 06:52:06 PM »
How about we repeal the 16th amendment and let people keep what they've earned rather than allowing the US Government to steal it?

And we pay the military, congress, justices, President, and vice president with what exactly? Maybe I'm missing that.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2012, 06:52:48 PM »
Unless you mean the states pay for it, which they get from us. I'm down with that.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2012, 06:53:14 PM »
And we pay the military, congress, justices, President, and vice president with what exactly? Maybe I'm missing that.

How were they paid prior to the 16th Amendment?

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2012, 06:57:30 PM »
Read above
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2012, 07:54:02 AM »
I think the best short-term plan is the one Arthur Laffer proposed... lower all the existing tax rates and remove a majority of deductions.

Pretty much what I went with, which is why I chose the two-tier system with $200K being the cutoff.  But yeah, eliminate mortgage interest credit, state/local tax credit, and educational deductions.

About the only things you should be able to deduct are capital losses, alimony, and medical above a certain percentage of gross income on top of standard deductions for family members.  After that, nope.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 10:52:07 AM »
I would like to see some sort of consumption tax because then all the drug dealers who currently pay no tax because they have no "job" would actually pay something.

And illegal aliens who get cash under the table...
and those who participate in other illegal activities

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2012, 10:55:45 AM »
And illegal aliens who get cash under the table...
and those who participate in other illegal activities


Maybe a huge tax on Western Union Moneygrams that are sent out of the US, too.

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2012, 02:17:46 PM »
1) Close down all departments of government without a clear constitutional mandate for their existence.

2) Repeal the 16th Amendment.

3) Restore salaries of Federal elective offices to 1789 levels and freeze them there.  (The office is supposed to be a CITIZEN's office; he/she goes, attends to any business that needs addressing, AND THEN GOES BACK TO HIS/HER OWN BUSINESS.  It was never intended for people to make CAREERS in these offices.)

4) Classify all "lobbying" where money changes hands or quid pro quos are exchanged as Bribery, and prosecute all participants as such.

5) Restore import duties as the primary revenue generating mechanism for the Federal government.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2012, 03:15:25 PM »
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Everyone pays 15%, incomes higher than 200,000 pay 25%

EVERYONE needs to pay something in taxes. Even if it's 15% of welfare.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2012, 07:43:53 PM »
1) Close down all departments of government without a clear constitutional mandate for their existence.

2) Repeal the 16th Amendment.

3) Restore salaries of Federal elective offices to 1789 levels and freeze them there.  (The office is supposed to be a CITIZEN's office; he/she goes, attends to any business that needs addressing, AND THEN GOES BACK TO HIS/HER OWN BUSINESS.  It was never intended for people to make CAREERS in these offices.)

4) Classify all "lobbying" where money changes hands or quid pro quos are exchanged as Bribery, and prosecute all participants as such.

5) Restore import duties as the primary revenue generating mechanism for the Federal government.

6) Make any kind of transfer payment from gov't to private citizen illegal by constitutional amendment

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2012, 08:01:10 PM »
6) Make any kind of transfer payment from gov't to private citizen illegal by constitutional amendment

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2012, 07:52:40 PM »
EVERYONE needs to pay something in taxes. Even if it's 15% of welfare.

Everyone does pay something.  You can't live in this country and not pay taxes.

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2012, 08:02:02 PM »
Everyone does pay something.  You can't live in this country and not pay taxes.

Federal taxes, light brite.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 08:07:49 PM »
Federal taxes, light brite.

Yes, "Federal taxes"!


Federal Excise Taxes

A variety of taxes levied by the federal government, which make up a fairly minor part of federal revenues are called excise taxes. They come in several categories:

Transporation, Communication and Energy Taxes

Gasoline, gasohol, and various other fuels like diesel, boat fuel, and aviation fuel, as well as liquefied petroleum (LPG), liquefied natural gas, kerosene, and coal are subject to excise taxes on a cents per gallon or per ton (in the case of coal) basis. Last time I checked, the tax on gasoline was 18.4 cents per gallon at the federal level (states have their own gas taxes). Gas taxes and some of the other transporation taxes are earmarked to pay for highways.

Gas taxes in the United States are far lower than those in most of the developed world. This is one of the important reasons by gasoline costs $3-$4 per gallon in Europe and Japan, while costing about $2 per gallon in the United States. In other countries gas taxes are means of implementing Energy policy, as well as a way of funding Transportation infrastructure (i.e. highways).

Heavy motor vehicles (55,000 pound of larger) pay a highway motor vehicle tax of $100 to $550 per year. Highway tires over 40 pounds are subject to another excise tax, and purchases of commercial grade trucks and trailers are subject to a federal sales tax of 12% of retail price. Expensive passenger vehicles are subject to a luxury tax which is in the process of being phased out.

There is also a gas guzzler tax of up to $7,700 per vehicle charged on vehicles with really bad mileage.

Air travel is subject to fedral ticket taxes which are now rather complicated. These taxes are also basically users fees earmarked for the Transporation Security Admininistration (TSA) in the Department of Homeland Security and for the FAA which runs the air traffic control system.

There is a tax on each passenger transported by water and a tax on imports by ship which pays largely for harbor maintenance.

There is a federal excise tax of 3% of charges for telephone services.

Alcohol, Tobacco, Gambling and Firearms Taxes

Both states and the federal government tax cigarettes on a per cigarette basis. Related taxes are imposed on other forms of tobacco and cigarette papers and tubes.

Alcohol is taxed by volume with different rates applying to beer, wine and liquor (with additional distinctions among wines by alcohol content). There is some crude proportionality to the amount of alcohol in the drink, but it is not exact.

Legal gambling operations operators must pay of licensing fee, and both lotteries and other gambling operations must pay a 0.25% of wagers excise tax on gambling.

There is a federal sales tax on firearms and ammunition (10%-11% depending on the item), a transfer tax per firearm, and a fairly hefty licensing fee in order to import, manfacture or sell firearms.

These taxes are commonly known as "sin taxes". They do raise revenue, but they largely exist to discourage purchases of the type in question, or at least, to pay for the costs to government associated with these activities sometimes associated with bad conduct.

Hunting and Fishing Taxes; Vaccine Taxes

There are federal exercise taxes on fishing equipment, bows and arrows ranging from 3% to 12.4% of retail value depending on the item. These are inteded to pay for parks and conservation.

There is also a 75 cents per dose tax on certain vaccines intended to pay for certain health programs.

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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2012, 08:09:18 PM »
Great, a copy-and-paste Kossack.
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Re: What's the BEST Income Tax Plan?
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2012, 08:11:13 PM »
Hidden taxes: Eight you are paying every day

Ken and Daria Dolan

Mar 11th 2008 at 7:37AM

This time of year, we are all well aware of how much we pay Uncle Sam in income taxes. And we all can clearly see the sales tax we pay when we go shopping or enjoy a nice dinner out. We're not happy about them. But at least we know that we're paying those taxes.

But most of us have no idea just how many hidden taxes we pay every day that take a serious bite out of our wallets. We pay little known-taxes on everything from travel to peanut butter (Ken's favorite), to life insurance to liquor. Often, we don't know, specifically, what federal tax we are paying on goods and services because that tax (such as excise tax on imports or 'sin' taxes on liquor), is built right into the price, and doesn't appear anywhere on the sales slip as a tax.

And boy, does it add up! We consumers pay hundreds of billions of dollars in "hidden" taxes each year. It's estimated that our federal income tax represents less than half of the taxes we pay each year. So let's expose eight hidden taxes you probably didn't even know you were paying...

1.  Gasoline tax. Next time you fork over big bucks at the gas pump, remember that you are paying nearly 46 cents per gallon in federal, state and local taxes. That's nearly 15% of the cost of a gallon of gas!

2.  Gas guzzler tax.

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