I know. I know; it's another one of my marathon threads...
...but this one is so-o-o-o-o worth it.
Basically, the Ku Klux Klams are starting to grate on everyone's last nerve.
They have only their own clit-clique and the brony Scootaloo to hold the line against male oppression of sexual objectification of women that contribute to the consumerist capitalist rape culture.
redqueen (105,422 posts)
Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue : 50 Years of Women's Objectification
Sports Illustrated will be celebrating 50 years of its annual Swimsuit Issue and I think we can all agree now that it is one of the most blatant exemples [sic] of women’s objectification in mainstream media.
Over the years, the models on the covers have been wearing less and less fabric ; it’s not even trying to pretend it’s about fashion anymore. It already had nothing to do in a sports’ magazine aimed at men in the first place, now it’s barely feeding off the momentum of each year release and the so-called making of new supermodels.
The very treatment of the women’s image is terrible. The first covers and spreads in the 60s and 70s had a great focus on the landscape and featured some actual fashion. Now the shots are way more focused on the models, which are nearly naked and are featured taking off what is left on their body.
Hm-m-m-m...
What cultural phenomenon occurred in the 60s and 70s that made women more sexually available?
And who could have ushered-in such a cultural shift?
We hear all the time how Tyra Banks was the first Black woman to make the cover of the Swimsuit Issue ; well guess what ? She is the only one to date, apart from Beyoncé who appeared on the 2006 covers. And no Asian, no South-Asian, no Native.
To objectify or not objectify? That is the question.
What's that old joke again?
Naked white women is pornography.
Naked black women is a documentary.
If objectification were actually the issue I don't see how adding more women of different races is a cure for that.
Also what’s up with shooting a model in ****ing Antarctica ? Kate Upton has commented on how the shoot was horribly hard; she said she experienced eyesight and hearing lost afterwards because her body was freaking shutting down. Worse, the results were so underwhelming : it looked like it was shot in front of a green screen. Not even worth almost killing a model. Oops.
I assure you, there are 18 year old Army privates enduring a lot more for a lot less.
...
http://www.ixdaily.com/drop-your-skirt/sports-illustrated-swimsuit-issue-50-years-womens-objectification
Just thought the other (progressive) side of this issue deserved an OP of its own.
And I fully expect for one of the usual suspects to start posting pics in here to antagonize feminists, so if you do, don't think you're being original or clever. Using images depicting objectification to harass feminists isn't new or intelligent.
Vashta Nerada (2,787 posts)
1. I never understood the point of the SI swimsuit issue.
It has nothing to do with sports. Why do they even make it (other than for the obvious pubescent titillation)?
Whisp (22,014 posts)
81. but some men do think women are sport...
to be hunted and caught, sometimes wounded, and not quite fully human - like an animal.
AgingAmerican (2,748 posts)
128. And visa versa
Isn't life grande?
Whisp (22,014 posts)
133. No, there is not a vice versa. n/t
Conservative ladies NEVER objectify men. 'Cause y'all are good girls.
Amirite?
And then they prattle on about why won't SI feature female athletes doing athletic things and not being hawt and stuff which then has this well-intentioned reply that is wholly lacking in self-awareness.
sheshe2 (11,970 posts)
50. This is the power and strength of a woman athelete.
[pic of a Jackie Joyner-Kersey]
[excerpt of article about Mrs. Kersey.]
This is how she was portrayed on the cover of SI
How SI has deteriorated when picturing women as athletes. To now picking models as eye candy and objects. Is SI the new Hustler Magazine! It is meant to titillate and sell as many magazines as possible. It's humiliating.
WAIT JUST ONE ****ING MINUTE!
If any non-liberal had posted that picture -- ESPECIALLY IN CONTEXT OF AN OP THAT INCLUDED COMPLAINTS OF RACIAL UNDER-REPRESENTATION -- they would be pilloried and hounded out of town for depicting a black person throwing what is essentially a spear.
The screams of, "RACISM!" would be deafening and sustained until SI bowed its head in the public forum bearing tribute of gold encrusted sensitivity training.
Don't tell me that isn't exactly how these dog whistling assholes wouldn't have portrayed that picture.
And then Lumberjackoff Jeff gives them what-for...
lumberjack_jeff (27,333 posts)
4. See? The problem isn't that the issue is flame bait, it's that you want to pick which flames to bait
Is there anything that you'll post in this thread that you haven't already said in the other?
As far as Kate Upton goes, I suspect she was paid more than the average crab fisherman gets for the same discomfort.
Scootaloo (9,735 posts)
12. That's not a great argument
"So what if you damn near died so we could center-frame your tits at the south pole? You got paid didn't ya?!"
Oh, **** you!
If some chick were to saver her money, start a small business and make an equal amount of money supplying tangible goods and services you assholes would be screaming that she be taxed at a starting marginal rate of 90% for be one of the evil rich.
lumberjack_jeff (27,333 posts)
16. I suspect that Kate Upton's definition of "damn near died!" isn't the same as mine.
If they didn't tell her or her publicist that they'd be shooting swimsuit photos in antarctica, then yeah, you have a point, but if she simply hadn't brushed up on her geography recently, then no.
JI7 (44,373 posts)
21. she was suffering eyesight and hearing loss and her body was shutting down, that is beyond just
being uncomfortable due to cold.
lumberjack_jeff (27,333 posts)
24. I'd like to see a doctor's note to that effect. n/t
JI7 (44,373 posts)
25. why ?
lumberjack_jeff (27,333 posts)
29. The rest of the Today show quote might be illuminating.
“I could really only do it for a minute and then everyone would come running and throw blankets on top of me and they would build me like a little blanket cave,’’ she said. “I really went all out on this. We went there thinking we might not even get a shot, and came back with the cover.â€
In between shivering in a bathing suit, Upton was able to soak up the Antarctic scenery.
“It was the most beautiful place I’ve ever been,’’ she said. “Before I took off my coat, I would just enjoy the views. The mountains were pink and the water was glass. It was like little ice cubes were in the water. It was gorgeous.’’
Far be it from me to suggest not taking a bloggers statements as gospel.
JI7 (44,373 posts)
32. how does any of that change anything ? i'm sure china sweatshop workers are happy to get what they
can working there rather than not having that job at all.
doesn't mean standards should not be better.
*bunny facepalm*
lumberjack_jeff (27,333 posts)
62. "The 21 year old model has an estimated net worth of $4 million"
http://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celeb/model/kate-upton-net-worth/
I doubt that her health and wellbeing were at meaningful risk.
JI7 (44,373 posts)
66. once again that does not change anything, you seem resentful of the money she has
so are saying any risk to her health is ok because she has something that you don't have.
it's just ****ing weird.
but people do it often when they complain about unions who want more because they themselves aren't making as much.
flvegan (62,988 posts)
5. Thanks for the link with all the hot SI covers!
redqueen (105,422 posts)
6. You do realize your comment is entirely transparent, I hope. Porn is all over the net.
These covers aren't hard to find either.
Thanks for showing your true colors, not that anyone was under any illusions.
flvegan (62,988 posts)
7. Sarcasm has always been in my wheelhouse, thanks.
No illusions at all.
I appreciate the enlightenment about the proliferation of porn on the net. I don't really participate in viewing it as I find it often objectifies women, and an uncomfortable amount of it smacks of violence to me.
redqueen (105,422 posts)
11. And yet you characterize objection to the annual celebration of objectification
which is the SI Swimsuit edition as being "outrage fail" on the part of "the bikini hater brigade".
Something sure smacks of something.
flvegan (62,988 posts)
17. Here? Yes, I absolutely do.
And then RQ drops out of the sub-thread.
I've noticed that with her.
If you challenge her with a bold-faced assertion that X is your position and you unrepentantly don't give a ptarmigan's ass about what she thinks she'll head for the tall grass.
seabeyond (92,297 posts)
57. the point is it s sexist garbage and does not belong on a progressive board creating a hostile
environment for fellow duers....
RiffRandell (4,073 posts)
64. It's awful to create a hostile environment for fellow members:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4502088
From the link:
RiffRandell (4,073 posts)
440. Couldn't help but come back in here, could you?
I'm more proud of the woman I am than the type of woman that steals private medical information on another member here, spreads it around, lies about it and hides out until the dust settles. What a woman!!!!
Keep it up...I got plenty more to give.
msanthrope (21,946 posts)
91. Hostile environment? Like when you persisted in using sexist language towards me, laughed about it,
and refused to answer my question about whether it was acceptable for you to be called the same?
Look, I think before you start accusing other DUers of a hostile environment, you ought to consider that you have been far more sexist towards me than any man on this board.
You don't count...
...you're a woman.
BUT WAIT!
It gets better:
RiffRandell (4,073 posts)
18. Kate doesn't sound frigid or bitter in her interview.
Sports Illustrated really launched my career, and I have a lot to thank them for,’’ Upton said. “I feel like I’m on the top right now. I’m really excited. I just want to enjoy this moment.â€
http://www.today.com/style/kate-upton-antarctic-shoot-si-my-body-was-shutting-down-1C8341178
redqueen (105,422 posts)
19. LOL... "frigid" and "bitter"? My but you sure have the lingo down pat.
Thanks for adding your thoughtful commentary.
Riff replies with "Totally welcome" which -- again -- sends the bully bull dyke RQ packing.
seabeyond (92,297 posts)
26. wowser. bah hhahaha. probably all i will say in this thread also. but, ya.
yesterday it was something about jealousy.
RiffRandell (4,073 posts)
51. Oh, I wouldn't bet on that.
You're such a voice for women!
pintobean (11,300 posts)
75. As long as we're digging around in the past
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x8420460#8420542
post 20, reply to post 12
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7492172#7494042
Post 136, reply to post 112
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x2139260
Objectification.
seaglass (5,305 posts)
144. Some people have open minds and change over time. Others have closed minds and remain stagnant. n/t
pintobean (11,300 posts)
152. And some just have double standards.
I do find it amazing, what would pass for an open mind, though.
It goes on -- EPICALLY.
Someone even calls RQ a troll which then gets the usual, "You just oppress women and want to take away my rights!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024506412
