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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on January 15, 2010, 08:15:00 PM
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Why isn't Brown releasing his internals?
I'm trying to game theory out his motives. Any thoughts?
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5. My theory is that he has peaked and that the newest stuff is closer
or shows him losing.
Why would you release stuff that counters the good stuff from so-called unbiased sources.
Coakley probably released hers to get the troops motivated.
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6. That is my interpretation as well.
It has the biggest payoff with the minimum risk for him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x127847
Not too many clowns in this car. Too bad, it'd be fun to watch them rassle over this:
One tells me that the most recent internal poll of the Scott Brown campaign shows the Republican winning by… 11 percentage points. I’m getting the sense that the folks hearing this are almost a little incredulous, but it seems every demographic and key group is breaking to Brown in the past day or two. For weeks, Brown and everyone around him has said they will campaign and work as if they’re 30 percentage points down. But it seems like the campaign has been one Coakley stumble after another, and you figure that would eventually start effecting the numbers. According to that measure, it’s starting to break heavily in Brown’s direction… but we’ll have to see what the final few days bring…
One problem passed on by one of my sources is the sense that Coakley is increasingly seen as a de facto incumbent, what with Democrats controlling the White House, both Houses of Congress, and for that matter, the entire state government in Massachusetts. A frustrated voter fed up with the status quo can’t easily communicate their impatience and anger by giving the nod to the party that is currently running the show.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmUxOWU2MjE0N2RhZWIwYmVmOTY3NjU2NzFmODg1OTU=
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The blue grass/green sky world they paint for themselves. :mental:
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I think that Obumbler will have the same track record the Clenis did with helping fellow democrats.
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Browns internals say +11
which would be nuts crazy cool
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I think that Obumbler will have the same track record the Clenis did with helping fellow democrats.
The Clenis will be hard to top. There are players in MLB who'll OD on 'roids trying to get in the same ballpark as the Clenis' .850 - .950 average.
Ya never know, though. Lord Zero is clean and artikilate, fairly light-skinned for a negro and of course uses the negro dialect only when he chooses to. Perhaps he has what it takes to give the 'First Black President' a run for his money.
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The Clenis will be hard to top.
You got that right. Willie is the only president ever to have sworn testimony in open court on his ability to piss at a right angle.
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The Clenis will be hard to top. There are players in MLB who'll OD on 'roids trying to get in the same ballpark as the Clenis' .850 - .950 average.
Ya never know, though. Lord Zero is clean and artikilate, fairly light-skinned for a negro and of course uses the negro dialect only when he chooses to. Perhaps he has what it takes to give the 'First Black President' a run for his money.
The Obamessiah does have a track record. Didn't he stump for Jon Corzine? We know how well that worked out . . . :loser: :fuelfire:
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The Obamessiah does have a track record. Didn't he stump for Jon Corzine? We know how well that worked out . . . :loser: :fuelfire:
IIRC, he gave the "dominus opus" blessing to that twit in Virginia, too. Appears that Little Lord Zero has all the coattails of a manx kitten.
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IIRC, he gave the "dominus opus" blessing to that twit in Virginia, too. Appears that Little Lord Zero has all the coattails of a manx kitten.
I don't remember if he weighed in on NY-23. If he did, his LA (Losing Average) is .667; if he didn't, well, then . . . 1.000!
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I don't remember if he weighed in on NY-23. If he did, his LA (Losing Average) is .667; if he didn't, well, then . . . 1.000!
I have yet to hear who is running from this district,already have gotten Scott Murphy fliers and he is trying to sound like a Republican.
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I have yet to hear who is running from this district,already have gotten Scott Murphy fliers and he is trying to sound like a Republican.
Unfortunately, I'm on Murphy's email list. :banghead:
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Why Isn't Brown Releasing His Internals?....maybe he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.
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Browns internals say +11
which would be nuts crazy cool
Was just reading on FR that Intrade has him up, completely flipped from before.
Cindie
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Why Isn't Brown Releasing His Internals?....maybe he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.
That was my first thought when seeing this campfire.
He's paying for his "internals;" they're his property.
And so he's got a right to do with them what he wishes to do with them.
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That was my first thought when seeing this campfire.
He's paying for his "internals;" they're his property.
And so he's got a right to do with them what he wishes to do with them.
And if I had internals that showed I was looking at throwing down a serious beatdown come Tuesday would I release the numbers to motivate the other side?
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And if I had internals that showed I was looking at throwing down a serious beatdown come Tuesday would I release the numbers to motivate the other side?
Exactly - there is no need to frenzy up the Democrat-filled hornets nest. just let it be.
I would say 'Our Side' is buzzing with motivation, and even a Gaia worshiping hippie I know is voting Brown. All we need is a disgusting snowstorm to depress the already depressed Dems , to put icing on the cake.
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That was my first thought when seeing this campfire.
He's paying for his "internals;" they're his property.
And so he's got a right to do with them what he wishes to do with them.
As a former campaign worker you only release internal information if you think you will get some benefit. Not speaking on a partisan basis as I'm sure campaign operations are pretty universal. If you are up the weekend before the election in your internal polling you lie to your supporters and tell them it is very close. The last thing you want is troops staying home on election day because they think you've won.
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Gosh, maybe that's why they call them 'Internals?' :thatsright:
:lmao:
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Good to see you again AJ. Hope to see you around some more.
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Ack posted on wrong thread lol
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I fail to see why people like UGP and bibo dont see that the more you give people something for nothing the less they will want to get up off their asses to work.
It's tough to see faults in yourself (UGP and bobbo). Especially when you're a DUmb****.
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As a former campaign worker you only release internal information if you think you will get some benefit. Not speaking on a partisan basis as I'm sure campaign operations are pretty universal. If you are up the weekend before the election in your internal polling you lie to your supporters and tell them it is very close. The last thing you want is troops staying home on election day because they think you've won.
Id have to agree with that - which is why I'm still wondering about the release of Coakley's trailing numbers, unless as is suspected, the point was to get Obama up here. In her case, I look at it as a Hail Mary pass.
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I fail to see why people like UGP and bibo dont see that the more you give people something for nothing the less they will want to get up off their asses to work.
Not really that type of an issue, it is managing information. You leak information you want others to see. Coakley showed her internals because she wants democrats from CT and NH to flood into the state to save her ass. My guess judging by what I've been reading and hearing, she didn't really plan that great of a GOTV effort. I expect to be reading about what a disorganized cluster it was on Wednesday morning.
Brown was an underdog so he probably has one of the GOP's top GOTV directors already in place and a plan has been formulated and is being implemented for 3-4 weeks.
The mechanics of a campaign are not partisan. I'm pretty sure the GOP operates the exact way the DNC does in that regards.
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Id have to agree with that - which is why I'm still wondering about the release of Coakley's trailing numbers, unless as is suspected, the point was to get Obama up here. In her case, I look at it as a Hail Mary pass.
Well everything else she's done looks like she's been hoarding campaign cash because she assumed wrongly in a bad economic climate and her being the key vote on a bill that is unpopular in all circles that she was going to walk away with this thing after the primary. In other times, that would be a safe assumption.
Leaking her internals also will give her a last minute appeal to democrats from neighboring states to come in and aid her. Corzine did the same thing back in October. She probably skimped on her GOTV director and needed the party bigs to come in. It doesn't really matter, she probably also did a poor job doing IDs before. She might get a lot of bodies to help her, but she might end up driving Brown supporters out to vote because a lot of democrats and left leaning independents are unhappy of the disaster HCR was and the lack of action on banking interest who are one of the causes of the economic situation.
Full disclosure, I'm a democrat that hates the HCR bill and scratches my head with the administrations decisions this past year. I really don't care who wins this race.
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Why isn't Brown releasing his internals?
Why do Liberals never release their internals in political polls?
Ever.
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Why do Liberals never release their internals in political polls?
Ever.
I doubt either party releases their internals that often. That is valuable information. Why would you hand that out. Coakley is releasing her internals as a last minute appeal for help. If this was a race in Utah and it was a GOP candidate the same things would be going on. The mechanics of a candidate running an arrogant bad campaign are not partisan.
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Not really that type of an issue, it is managing information. You leak information you want others to see. Coakley showed her internals because she wants democrats from CT and NH to flood into the state to save her ass. My guess judging by what I've been reading and hearing, she didn't really plan that great of a GOTV effort. I expect to be reading about what a disorganized cluster it was on Wednesday morning.
Brown was an underdog so he probably has one of the GOP's top GOTV directors already in place and a plan has been formulated and is being implemented for 3-4 weeks.
The mechanics of a campaign are not partisan. I'm pretty sure the GOP operates the exact way the DNC does in that regards.
ATJ, up here, the Dems aren't getting involved in the Senate race. They are, however, taking a very close look at it and reacting accordingly. Carol Shea-Porter (aka, Che-Porter) was quite content in her formerly "safe" House seat, but rumblings have it that she may be reconsidering a run for Senate this year, given that she'll likely lose in November, and could potentially defeat Hodes in a Dem primary, given her more favorable rating among Dems in NH. Ayotte leads Hodes by nearly 10 points (remember, Obama won NH by 9, and Shaheen beat Sununu by 7). Hodes leads other named GOP challengers, but only because of name recognition, not actual policy.
They're looking here in NH, they're getting information not released to their base, and they don't like what they're seeing.
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I doubt either party releases their internals that often. That is valuable information. Why would you hand that out. Coakley is releasing her internals as a last minute appeal for help. If this was a race in Utah and it was a GOP candidate the same things would be going on. The mechanics of a candidate running an arrogant bad campaign are not partisan.
And that is the point I'm trying to make.
Liberals...and especially the ones at DU...tend to demand others do things that they themselves...or the politicians they support never do.
And it doesn't just apply to internals of polls.
The big difference is that if this were a Republican in Utah as you say...you wouldn't see us demanding the Dem release their poll internals.
ANd for those that really wanted to know that stuff...well we're motivated enough to go look it up ourselves. :-)
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ATJ, up here, the Dems aren't getting involved in the Senate race. They are, however, taking a very close look at it and reacting accordingly. Carol Shea-Porter (aka, Che-Porter) was quite content in her formerly "safe" House seat, but rumblings have it that she may be reconsidering a run for Senate this year, given that she'll likely lose in November, and could potentially defeat Hodes in a Dem primary, given her more favorable rating among Dems in NH. Ayotte leads Hodes by nearly 10 points (remember, Obama won NH by 9, and Shaheen beat Sununu by 7). Hodes leads other named GOP challengers, but only because of name recognition, not actual policy.
They're looking here in NH, they're getting information not released to their base, and they don't like what they're seeing.
We got appeals to come to NJ the last two weeks to try to save Corzine. Generally people from NJ and NY come to PA to help in PA elections since the elections in those states other than a few gerry mandered districts are generally over after a primary. I expect the Mass democratic party is doing the same thing the NJ democratic party tried to do right before the Corzine election.
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And that is the point I'm trying to make.
Liberals...and especially the ones at DU...tend to demand others do things that they themselves...or the politicians they support never do.
And it doesn't just apply to internals of polls.
The big difference is that if this were a Republican in Utah as you say...you wouldn't see us demanding the Dem release their poll internals.
ANd for those that really wanted to know that stuff...well we're motivated enough to go look it up ourselves. :-)
I'm sure there is plenty of stupid in both parties. Most of the posters on DU have never done any election work outside of posting on DU and watching a polling location. I'm only commenting from my experience being involved in campaigns.
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We got appeals to come to NJ the last two weeks to try to save Corzine. Generally people from NJ and NY come to PA to help in PA elections since the elections in those states other than a few gerry mandered districts are generally over after a primary. I expect the Mass democratic party is doing the same thing the NJ democratic party tried to do right before the Corzine election.
Bluehampshire.com (http://bluehampshire.com/diary/9103/all-hands-on-deck-for-ted-kennedys-seat) is in fact calling for it.
Then again, they're still calling it "Ted Kennedy's seat." Delusion knows no bounds.
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Maybe he doesn't think he needs to release his internal polls...
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs211.snc3/21879_1338835794882_1350752048_30988311_5323199_n.jpg)
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Bluehampshire.com (http://bluehampshire.com/diary/9103/all-hands-on-deck-for-ted-kennedys-seat) is in fact calling for it.
Then again, they're still calling it "Ted Kennedy's seat." Delusion knows no bounds.
Teddy should have resigned when he no longer had the health to show up on capital hill on a regular basis. I don't want a fight over "Uncle Ted" but it bothered me that when he knew he was going to die that he didn't resign.
There is a certain tone deafness going on in the party when they say things like that and your opponent is scoring points saying this isn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it is the people's seat.
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Teddy should have resigned when he no longer had the health to show up on capital hill on a regular basis. I don't want a fight over "Uncle Ted" but it bothered me that when he knew he was going to die that he didn't resign.
There is a certain tone deafness going on in the party when they say things like that and your opponent is scoring points saying this isn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it is the people's seat.
Should have but didn't. Just like Tim Johnson should have done the same thing when he nearly died.
Unfortunately...like their brethren in the old Soviet Politburo...political power outweighs any other consideration.
And as we're seeing the potential replacements can't even win when the seat is practically handed to them.
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Teddy should have resigned when he no longer had the health to show up on capital hill on a regular basis. I don't want a fight over "Uncle Ted" but it bothered me that when he knew he was going to die that he didn't resign.
There is a certain tone deafness going on in the party when they say things like that and your opponent is scoring points saying this isn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it is the people's seat.
Not to heap undue praise on 'Uncle Ted', but Coakley is demonstrating exactly what Teddy was afraid of when he refused to resign his seat. After so many years of 'machine politics' in that state, most of the Democrat names don't have enough campaign experience to get themselves elected class president of a kindergarten. The remember that Kennedy was a NASTY campaigner when he had to be, and think that being nasty is all there is to running, because they never paid attention to the more subtle things he was doing behind the scenes. "D's" outnumber "R's" in Massachutsetts by how much? 2 to 1? 3 to 1? And yet one "R" running an unnoteworthy campaign can make the fight for that seat a footrace - or worse?
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The mechanics of a campaign are not partisan. I'm pretty sure the GOP operates the exact way the DNC does in that regards.
Probably.
Hey AJ!
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Why isn't Brown releasing his internals?
Some people have that problem. I'd recommend a high fiber diet and extra fluids. Milk of magnesia if needed.
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Incredible the Dems don't see the writing on the wall! Guess what, morans, we've had a damned 'nuff! You idiots are fixin' to see why we call this America, the land of the FREE! I would personally like to show you!!!
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Red Sox Nation is pissed that Coakley said Sschilling was for the Yankees
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Red Sox Nation is pissed that Coakley said Sschilling was for the Yankees
As they should be.
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Great analysis, ATJ! I have worked on campaigns, and it really is much different that what most people think. Thanks for all the hard work.
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Not to heap undue praise on 'Uncle Ted', but Coakley is demonstrating exactly what Teddy was afraid of when he refused to resign his seat. After so many years of 'machine politics' in that state, most of the Democrat names don't have enough campaign experience to get themselves elected class president of a kindergarten. The remember that Kennedy was a NASTY campaigner when he had to be, and think that being nasty is all there is to running, because they never paid attention to the more subtle things he was doing behind the scenes. "D's" outnumber "R's" in Massachutsetts by how much? 2 to 1? 3 to 1? And yet one "R" running an unnoteworthy campaign can make the fight for that seat a footrace - or worse?
You get that when you have a party machine in either the GOP or DNC. Producing results becomes less about for the citizens of the community and more about people playing the party game. Coakley is the perfect product of a party machine system. I've lived in areas with both GOP and DNC party machines. The results are virtually the same.
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Maybe he doesn't think he needs to release his internal polls...
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs211.snc3/21879_1338835794882_1350752048_30988311_5323199_n.jpg)
Is this image en serio?
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After reading a report on the Coakley rally that Obama attended it's pretty clear that Brown doesn't need to release his internals.
It's pretty easy to poll well against "It's Bush's fault".
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After reading a report on the Coakley rally that Obama attended it's pretty clear that Brown doesn't need to release his internals.
It's pretty easy to poll well against "It's Bush's fault".
Amazing they think that will still work. Indies have heard enough of his "excuses". ESAD Bummer! What's happening now is solely on your shoulders!
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"D's" outnumber "R's" in Massachutsetts by how much? 2 to 1? 3 to 1? And yet one "R" running an unnoteworthy campaign can make the fight for that seat a footrace - or worse?
Last I heard, voter registration breakdown in Mass was 51 percent independent, 37 percent Democrat, 12 percent Republican.
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After reading a report on the Coakley rally that Obama attended it's pretty clear that Brown doesn't need to release his internals.
It's pretty easy to poll well against "It's Bush's fault".
Oh, it still plays pretty well east of I-93 and south of Route 128.
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Last I heard, voter registration breakdown in Mass was 51 percent independent, 37 percent Democrat, 12 percent Republican.
When the Dem is a 100% terrible, horrible, moronic candidate with two left feet in her mouth and people really do not like the biggest issue of the day on her side, Obamacare...
thats about the only way a Dem loses this race
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When the Dem is a 100% terrible, horrible, moronic candidate with two left feet in her mouth and people really do not like the biggest issue of the day on her side, Obamacare...
thats about the only way a Dem loses this race
Which is why the "fix" is most likely in at the Mass. Secretary of State - as soon as the polls close on Tuesday, the Sec'y of State will certify Coakley as the "winner" - regardless of how many Mass. voters actually voted for Brown, and Reid will swear her in and formally seat her before sun-up on Wednesday, and hey *presto* we get a fait accompli that, being an essentially "political" question will be almost impossible to undo in the courts.
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Which is why the "fix" is most likely in at the Mass. Secretary of State - as soon as the polls close on Tuesday, the Sec'y of State will certify Coakley as the "winner" - regardless of how many Mass. voters actually voted for Brown, and Reid will swear her in and formally seat her before sun-up on Wednesday, and hey *presto* we get a fait accompli that, being an essentially "political" question will be almost impossible to undo in the courts.
Not that the courts would care, they've been mostly bought and paid for too.
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And then you'll see the beginning of the Second American Revolution.
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And then you'll see the beginning of the Second American Revolution.
Well, as long as it doesn't take too long or makes me get off the couch too much or cuts off the supplies of cheeto's then I'm fine with the SAR.
heh