Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

[Big Dog]

You make a valid point to which I have no answer.

I have to ask, however, what does it say about the Church if it cuts off support to the BSA and abandons the rest of the children into the hands of the predators you and I suspect will invade the Boy Scouts?

FlaGator,

Each church must follow its moral compass. Conservative/traditional churches can pull their support of BSA and organize into new youth programs like the Royal Rangers, which is what I expect to see. Liberal churches are more likely to continue to sponsor BSA troops and packs.

Their parents may think that they are doing the right thing by allowing their boys to remain members of the Scouts but has abortion teaches us, parents or potential parents don't always do what is right by their offspring.

Their kids, their lives, their decision. That is on the other side of the "my business/not my business" fence.

[Gina]

Why would you leave the church if they vote to adhere to biblical principles and not bow to the faggot mafia?

BECAUSE back before I joined as a member to the church I asked the pastor what the church's position on gay marriage/gays and he said "We don't condone the sin but we won't discrimiate"  so that pisses me off if now they boot the Boy Scouts.  It's hypocritical.  We have no gays in the troop and our outstanding young boys shouldn't be punished because of some gays.

[FlaGator]

FlaGator,

Each church must follow its moral compass. Conservative/traditional churches can pull their support of BSA and organize into new youth programs like the Royal Rangers, which is what I expect to see. Liberal churches are more likely to continue to sponsor BSA troops and packs.

Their kids, their lives, their decision. That is on the other side of the "my business/not my business" fence.

I am still conflicted in my feelings about this. I guess I should answer the "am I my brothers keeper?" question before I can find the dividing line of "my business/not my business". A parent has a right to raise his or her children anyway the choose (within the bounds of reason) but does a parent have a right to put his or her child in harm's way? The culture today says that entrusting a younger boy's safety to a hormonally excited homosexual boy is acceptable but I don't necessarily agree with that. I wouldn't let my 12 year old daughter stay overnight in a tent with  16 year old boy but I guess a parent has a right to do that if they choose.

It is a sad world we live in.

[Big Dog]

I am still conflicted in my feelings about this. I guess I should answer the "am I my brothers keeper?" question before I can find the dividing line of "my business/not my business". A parent has a right to raise his or her children anyway the choose (within the bounds of reason) but does a parent have a right to put his or her child in harm's way? The culture today says that entrusting a younger boy's safety to a hormonally excited homosexual boy is acceptable but I don't necessarily agree with that. I wouldn't let my 12 year old daughter stay overnight in a tent with  16 year old boy but I guess a parent has a right to do that if they choose.

It is a sad world we live in.

"Am I my brother's keeper?" is a legitimate question to ask yourself. But it must be coupled with another question, to ground it in reality: "Can I be my brother's keeper?"

I have no authority to be the keeper of any man, and I give no man the authority to be my keeper.

I believe in liberty and personal responsibility.  Liberty is inherently dangerous, but that is part of what makes it such a beautiful thing.

[seahorse513]

I am curious if the Girl Scouts have adopted this, and what are their feelings regarding this situation? I was a girl Scout for many years, I never thought or dreamed, that this would even come up.

[FlaGator]

I am curious if the Girl Scouts have adopted this, and what are their feelings regarding this situation? I was a girl Scout for many years, I never thought or dreamed, that this would even come up.

I have read that the Girl Scouts allow transgendered boys to become Girl Scouts, but then again the Girl Scouts jumped off the moral cliff a long time ago.

(CNSNews.com) – Girl Scouts of the USA told CNSNews.com in a written statement on Friday that it will accept "transgender youth" on a "case-by-case basis."

The organization sent CNSNews.com the statement after CNSNews.com asked if the national Girl Scouts had a position on a case in which a Girl Scout troop in Colorado initially prevented a 7-year-old boy from joining and then the state Girl Scouts organization said that it would accept boys who were "living life as a girl."

The brief Girl Scouts of the USA statement made no mention of the Colorado case.

“Girl Scouts of the USA is an inclusive organization, and we welcome all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members," it said. "Acceptance of transgender youth is handled on a case-by-case basis, with the welfare and best interests of the child in question as a top priority.”

Girl Scouts of USA Says It Will Accept ‘Transgender Youth’ on a ‘Case-by-Case Basis'

[Big Dog]

I am curious if the Girl Scouts have adopted this, and what are their feelings regarding this situation? I was a girl Scout for many years, I never thought or dreamed, that this would even come up.

Homosexual girls and adult leaders are welcome.

[seahorse513]

Homosexual girls and adult leaders are welcome.

Now why does that not surprise me?? 

[Big Dog]

A parent has a right to raise his or her children anyway the choose (within the bounds of reason) but does a parent have a right to put his or her child in harm's way?

Teaching your child to shoot is putting him "in harm's way". So is teaching him to drive, ride a motorcycle, swim, or operate a table saw. In the culture I live in (and I suspect you do, too), we accept that those are legitimate activities which a parent is best suited to approve of and supervise (or allow other trusted adults to supervise).

If you, as a parent, don't trust the BSA to protect your son in loco parentis, then you should trust your own judgment. I would not have allowed my 12 year old son to go on a Scouting campout where 16 year old homosexuals were welcome. When my son was 16, I would have had no worries about it, because I know my son.

[FiddlingAnt]

Copied over from my blog . . .

If you think the gay mafia will be satisfied with the recent decision to allow children who claim to be gay to remain in scouting, you have not been watching them closely.  They won't be satisfied until gays are also allowed to serve as scout leaders and redefine scout values. Look for more strong armed tactics until they get their way, hense my parody song below. (One interesting thing about writing parody songs is how, in many cases, you can keep quite a few of the original words, but they have a whole different message.  I know there are gays that support traditional values, but unfortunately, they are not leading the gay agenda.)

BE PREPARED
to the tune of Be Prepared from The Lion King

Scar:
I know that your powers of retention
Are as wet as a Webelo's backside
But thick as you are, pay attention
My words are the truth of gay pride
It's clear from your vacant expressions
The lights are not all on upstairs
But we're talking gay rights ascension
Even you can't be caught unawares
So prepare for a change of a lifetime
Be prepared for sensational news
A shining new era
Is tiptoeing nearer

Shenzi:
Will old values teeter?

Scar:
It’s time for gay leaders
I know it sounds sordid
But you'll be rewarded
When at last we are given our dues
And injustice deliciously squared
Be prepared!

Spoken
Banzai:
Yeah, Be prepared.
Yeah-heh... we'll be prepared, heh.
...For what?

Scar:
For the death of their King.

Banzai:
Why? Is he sick?

Scar:
No, fool-- we're going to forget him.
And chastity too.

 Shenzi: 
 Great idea! Who needs The King?

Shenzi (and then Banzai):
No King! No King! la--la-la--la-laa-laa!

Scar:
Idiots! There will be a king!

Banzai:
Hey, but you said, uh...

Scar:
Queerness will be king! ...Stick with me, and you'll never go hungry again!

Shenzi and Banzai:
Yaay! All right! Long live Queerness!

All Hyenas:
Long live Queer! Long live Queer!

Full song again
Hyenas:
It's great that they'll have gay scoutmasters.
All that’s Queer will be all-time adored.

Scar:
We’ll of course, dump the bigoted pastor
And replace his values on board
The future is littered with prizes
Recruits for the GLBT
The point that I must emphasize is
There won't be Boy Scouts without me!
So prepare for the coup of the century
(Oooh!)
Be prepared for the murkiest scam
(Oooh... La! La! La!)
Meticulous planning
(We'll have boys!)
Tenacity spanning
(Lots of boys)
Decades of denial
(We repeat)
Is simply why I'll
(Endless meat)
Gay rights undisputed
(Aaaaaaah...)
Respected, saluted
(...aaaaaaah...)
And seen for the wonder it is
(...aaaaaaah!)
Yes, our teeth and ambitions are bared
(Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-oo)
Be prepared!

All:
Yes, our teeth and ambitions are bared
Be prepared!


For more parody songs and other conservative posts, visit http://fiddlingant.blogspot.com/

[FlaGator]

Teaching your child to shoot is putting him "in harm's way". So is teaching him to drive, ride a motorcycle, swim, or operate a table saw. In the culture I live in (and I suspect you do, too), we accept that those are legitimate activities which a parent is best suited to approve of and supervise (or allow other trusted adults to supervise).

If you, as a parent, don't trust the BSA to protect your son in loco parentis, then you should trust your own judgment. I would not have allowed my 12 year old son to go on a Scouting campout where 16 year old homosexuals were welcome. When my son was 16, I would have had no worries about it, because I know my son.

Perhaps I should have said needlessly putting him or her in harms way.

[Conservative Libertarian]

The church that sponsors my son's scout troop has informed the troop leaders that they will be rescinding their sponsorship. They haven't stated an effective date. They will need to find a new place to meet or disband. The problem is that the district tells the troop where they will meet. In the past, they have not taken input from the scoutmasters for potential locations.

I don't blame the church for sticking to their principles--unlike the BSA. This stinks to high heaven. I hope the progressive homos and their supporters that pushed for this all rot in hell. They screwed over my son and many other boys.

[JohnnyReb]

The church that sponsors my son's scout troop has informed the troop leaders that they will be rescinding their sponsorship. They haven't stated an effective date. They will need to find a new place to meet or disband. The problem is that the district tells the troop where they will meet. In the past, they have not taken input from the scoutmasters for potential locations.

I don't blame the church for sticking to their principles--unlike the BSA. This stinks to high heaven. I hope the progressive homos and their supporters that pushed for this all rot in hell. They screwed over my son and many other boys.

Our troop met last Thursday right after the vote to accept gays and decided to disband. The Scout Master, assistant Scout Masters, adult volunteers and the senior boys of the troop met and the adults let the boys decide. Then the Scout Master and assistants announced they were resigning effective immediately.

There's a big meeting of the troop going on right now. I don't know what it's about but there are a lot of strange faces and strange cars there. Son got an e-mail telling him to be there tonight for some important stuff ??????? We'll see what happening. 

[Conservative Libertarian]

Our troop met last Thursday right after the vote to accept gays and decided to disband. The Scout Master, assistant Scout Masters, adult volunteers and the senior boys of the troop met and the adults let the boys decide. Then the Scout Master and assistants announced they were resigning effective immediately.

There's a big meeting of the troop going on right now. I don't know what it's about but there are a lot of strange faces and strange cars there. Son got an e-mail telling him to be there tonight for some important stuff ??????? We'll see what happening. 

The scoutmaster plans to have the troop go to summer camp since everyone has paid for it. I think that the troop is going to try to keep going provided that they can have a meeting place. The scoutmasters know that homo scoutmasters is the next move. They don't act very hopeful that the troop can last through this.

[JohnnyReb]

The scoutmaster plans to have the troop go to summer camp since everyone has paid for it. I think that the troop is going to try to keep going provided that they can have a meeting place. The scoutmasters know that homo scoutmasters is the next move. They don't act very hopeful that the troop can last through this.

At this time, our troop has canceled summer camp and says they will refund the scouts money from troop treasury.

It will be a couple of hours are more before I know what's happening at this big meeting.

[Conservative Libertarian]

At this time, our troop has canceled summer camp and says they will refund the scouts money from troop treasury.

It will be a couple of hours are more before I know what's happening at this big meeting.

This is a fairly young troop. Their treasury isn't big enough to do that.

[Splashdown]

I haven't commented on this because I'm really of two minds. For the record, I don't have sons. I'm the father of daughters, Girl Scouts, and my wife and I watch very closely what they learn there. We make sure that what the girls "learn" doesn't go against our principles or beliefs. It hasn't happened yet, but if there comes a time when they hear something we don't approve of, we'll address it.

Also, i guess it's important that you know that I'm approaching this from a Catholic perspective. I know we have our own problems when it comes to this issue.

1. If this is a religious issue, here's a question. Should gay men be allowed to worship in your church? If yes, ok. If no, how about heterosexual fornicators? If it's the act not the person that God hates, aren't both equally abhorrent in His Eyes?


2. I'm unfamiliar with the Boy Scouts, so these are honest questions, not hand grenades, I promise. Has the oath changed? Has the Boy Scouts' stance on any issues changed? Or have they simply allowed a certain "type" of boy to be allowed in?

You can see my problem from that angle.

From the other side, where have we come as a society when an 10-year-old is even aware of these deep sexual questions? We've really screwed up.

I'm a former altar boy. I spent four years living away at a high school seminary, discerning whether the priesthood was for me. I know there are gay men wearing the priestly collar, but the rules are always the same. Chastity is what matters--not choice of partners, as far as the sin goes.

[J P Sousa]

I haven't commented on this because I'm really of two minds. For the record, I don't have sons. I'm the father of daughters, Girl Scouts, and my wife and I watch very closely what they learn there. We make sure that what the girls "learn" doesn't go against our principles or beliefs. It hasn't happened yet, but if there comes a time when they hear something we don't approve of, we'll address it.

Also, i guess it's important that you know that I'm approaching this from a Catholic perspective. I know we have our own problems when it comes to this issue.

1. If this is a religious issue, here's a question. Should gay men be allowed to worship in your church? If yes, ok. If no, how about heterosexual fornicators? If it's the act not the person that God hates, aren't both equally abhorrent in His Eyes?


2. I'm unfamiliar with the Boy Scouts, so these are honest questions, not hand grenades, I promise. Has the oath changed? Has the Boy Scouts' stance on any issues changed? Or have they simply allowed a certain "type" of boy to be allowed in?

You can see my problem from that angle.

From the other side, where have we come as a society when an 10-year-old is even aware of these deep sexual questions? We've really screwed up.

I'm a former altar boy. I spent four years living away at a high school seminary, discerning whether the priesthood was for me. I know there are gay men wearing the priestly collar, but the rules are always the same. Chastity is what matters--not choice of partners, as far as the sin goes.

I'm a Catholic and a former Boy Scout. The problem as I see it, is the "sleep over" camping trips and we did a lot of them.

It's very different from going to church and such.
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[Splashdown]

I'm a Catholic and a former Boy Scout. The problem as I see it, is the "sleep over" camping trips and we did a lot of them.

It's very different from going to church and such.
.

True. I was addressing churches' refusal to house the Scouts any more.

[Mike220]

Makes me wonder what's going to happen to the troop I grew up in. It was one of the largest in town at that time so if they fold, that's a big chunk of kids.

[Gina]

True. I was addressing churches' refusal to house the Scouts any more.

Right.  That is my problem.  My church isn't going to tell gay people they can't come to church and participate yet they are going to kick the Boy Scouts to the curb?????

They are going to follow those teachings yet not the teachings that a woman isn't supposed to be over a man in power?  That a woman is supposed to dress modestly?  Hell, the preacher is in for a world of hurt because hubby has been studying up on the Bible and he will be at the meeting with some fabulous bells on!  

eta:  I am pissed off about the boys......sorry but I am.

[Eupher]

Right.  That is my problem.  My church isn't going to tell gay people they can't come to church and participate yet they are going to kick the Boy Scouts to the curb?????

They are going to follow those teachings yet not the teachings that a woman isn't supposed to be over a man in power?  That a woman is supposed to dress modestly?  Hell, the preacher is in for a world of hurt because hubby has been studying up on the Bible and he will be at the meeting with some fabulous bells on!  

eta:  I am pissed off about the boys......sorry but I am.

Your church sponsors a Boy Scout troop (or did, until recently), right?

That's not the same thing as the Boy Scouts themselves who may or may not be members of your church.

Your church is able to discern the difference between organizations and people.

As an organization, the Boy Scouts have decided they're going to allow boys who are already confused about sexuality yet declare themselves fudgepackers to remain members of the BSA.

I call that an actual threat to the teachings of your church. And as long as a church has the option of sponsoring or not sponsoring an actual organization that threatens their teachings, I'd say they're in full accord by opting to throw the BSA out.

[Gina]

Your church sponsors a Boy Scout troop (or did, until recently), right?

That's not the same thing as the Boy Scouts themselves who may or may not be members of your church.

Your church is able to discern the difference between organizations and people.

As an organization, the Boy Scouts have decided they're going to allow boys who are already confused about sexuality yet declare themselves fudgepackers to remain members of the BSA.

I call that an actual threat to the teachings of your church. And as long as a church has the option of sponsoring or not sponsoring an actual organization that threatens their teachings, I'd say they're in full accord by opting to throw the BSA out.

They why doesn't the church push all the other "rules" of the bible?  that is why I am upset.

[Big Dog]

Your church sponsors a Boy Scout troop (or did, until recently), right?

That's not the same thing as the Boy Scouts themselves who may or may not be members of your church.

Your church is able to discern the difference between organizations and people.

As an organization, the Boy Scouts have decided they're going to allow boys who are already confused about sexuality yet declare themselves fudgepackers to remain members of the BSA.

I call that an actual threat to the teachings of your church. And as long as a church has the option of sponsoring or not sponsoring an actual organization that threatens their teachings, I'd say they're in full accord by opting to throw the BSA out.

Good point, eupher.

Gina, your church must be sensitive to the potential for accusations of allowing (or even promoting) sexual molestation if it continues to support a BSA troop. Catholic dioceses are already dealing with it, with pedophile priests; although the number and percentage of offender priests is lower than the general population, it only takes one to destroy the credibility of the church.

You also need to ask yourself how you would respond if you learned your son was molested by another boy on a campout. Your church may decide to continue to sponsor a troop, but you must make the decision as a parent to do what's best for your son(s).

[Gina]

Good point, eupher.

Gina, your church must be sensitive to the potential for accusations of allowing (or even promoting) sexual molestation if it continues to support a BSA troop. Catholic dioceses are already dealing with it, with pedophile priests; although the number and percentage of offender priests is lower than the general population, it only takes one to destroy the credibility of the church.

You also need to ask yourself how you would respond if you learned your son was molested by another boy on a campout. Your church may decide to continue to sponsor a troop, but you must make the decision as a parent to do what's best for your son(s).

I get that.  I am just really upset over them just screwing over the kids this way.  If they love the boys then they should reach out to another organization that will follow the Biblical teachings instead of just kicking them out and making them feel unwanted.  These boys have worked very hard. 

On the last thing, there is a buddy rule and also they can't be alone with any adult.  The BSA does have those rules...molestation could have happened without the gay's allowed ruling. 

I am told the reason the BSA voted for it was because they didn't want to turn "all" boys way.  That they could use guidance.  Now the greater majority are going to be susceptible to diversions because the church is turning it's back on the established scouts.

I am just pissed for the boys.  I know I am not thinking clearly.  I know this.  I am just at a maddening loss that they are doing this. I am really more mad that when I asked my pastor point blank what the church's thoughts on gay marriage were they told me that they wouldn't turn someone way but they wouldn't condone it.  So basically they take a hands off stance in that situation but they decide they are going to put their fooot down when it comes to the bsa. Does anyone understand what I am saying?