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Barry had his sticky little hands all over this, that much is clear. I am waitign for his whorship to say on national TV, "I am not a crook."

I would put my left nut up on the chopping block right now, if I thought for a second The Holy WON of Chicago had the testicular fortitude of Lyndon Johnson, and would get up on the Idiot Box(TM) and say the words:

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Katie Pavlich's book on F&F (I read the book in just 2-3 sittings it was so compelling) talks very lucidly about how regular gun dealers in the Phoenix/Tucson areas were practically bludgeoned by ATF agents into deliberately selling these guns to known "straw men", who were nothing more than fronts for the cartels and other bad guys.

The legitimate business owners of gun shops knew that they were selling these guns to bad guys, and were actually told to do so by the ATF. Refusal to comply was tantamount to having their FFL/business licenses revoked and other forms of harassment, which the government can do all too well.

The absolute stupidity of the whole thing was, the sales were observed. But the perps were not arrested, held, or confronted at all. They were allowed to leave the scene of the crime and return to Mexico, whereupon those guns were used in all sorts of illegal ways.

Common sense tells you, once the guns leave American soil, control is lost. You can claim you're acting in concert with the Mexican authorities all you want, but effective control of those firearms is lost.

Massive coverup at the highest levels of DOJ. The supervisors in Phoenix and Tucson who mandated F&F were not only not disciplined or fired (especially when Brian Terry was murdered), but they were given accolades and allowed to continue the F&F debacle.
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I am thinking these 'documents' have long been shredded.  

The DOJ is not all personally loyal to Obama and Holder, by a long stretch...if there is a change in power in January, a LOT of new information will emerge, assuming Romney does not do something as fruitless, futile, and naive as W's attempts to 'Heal the wounds' by overlooking all the misdeeds of the outgoing administration (At the same time, it is a political fact of life for any incoming President that eventually his own term will end, and caution about setting any precedents on prosecution of past misdeeds is highly indicated since payback is a mofo).
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This is Obama's Watergate. I hope he goes down in flames over this...

This is much, much worse.

Richard Nixon never gave organized criminals tools to murder US LEOs.
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This is much, much worse.

Richard Nixon never gave organized criminals tools to murder US LEOs.

Or violated the borders of a sovereign country with those weapons.

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This is 1000 times worse than Watergate. This is turning into a constitutional crisis.

Exactly right. No one was killed during Watergate. I wonder how Holder will look in Prison orange.
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I think we are seeing panic setting in. Executive privilege makes no sense on several levels. Rumors have been around that the WH & Hlodem think (rightly or not) that Grassley and/or Issa have a smoking gun.  You will note that almost everything the committees have came from whistleblowers.  Holder has been busted on the original phony/baloney letter & recently on his declaration that Bushe's AG was fully aware of FF. Now you will notice the usual suspects (black caucus members) are screaming "lynching" while less secure dems are walking away whistling softly. An article from today said; "Dem leadership sent out signals to staff to prepare for necessary insulation from the White House to limit damage to individual campaigns.".

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Oversight committee just finished voting. 23-17 to hold Holder in contempt.
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Oversight committee just finished voting. 23-17 to hold Holder in contempt.

Yeah, I was watching the stream of it. He is going down. Executive privileged or not. Hopefully he takes the jug ears loser with him.

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Yeah, I was watching the stream of it. He is going down. Executive privileged or not. Hopefully he takes the jug ears loser with him.

Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.

I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.

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Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.

I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.

If holder would hand over the documents, none of this would be happening. He is covering up something. It wouldn't surprise me if Obama was in on it. I can't remember his name, but one of the senators/congressmen there today said that Obama should be looked into as well, as this is something that he feels goes all the way to the top.

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Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.

I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.

It won't go to the Senate.  According to what I've been hearing on Hannity, after Holder is charged with contempt of Congress, it goes straight to the 4th (DC) Circuit.  It gets tried under a real federal judge, not Whorehouse Harry Reid and his clowns.
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Issa is saying that a full vote can be avoided if Holder gives up the documents.

I don't see that happening since the senate will not pass the contempt of congress charge even if the house does.

Do both houses of Congress have to agree with the charge?  I was under the impression that which ever house brought the charges is the only one that gets a vote on it.
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DAT, since the probe in question is into possible criminal activity, and "Executive Privelege" as codified shouldn't apply anyway, would Issa be able to get a special prosecutor or some such to investigate POTUS for violation of federal law re: covering this up using said privelege?

It's always said the coverup takes you down more than the crime.

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Do both houses of Congress have to agree with the charge?  I was under the impression that which ever house brought the charges is the only one that gets a vote on it.

No,  Your impression is correct.  This is not legislation.

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No,  Your impression is correct.  This is not legislation.

Nor is it an impeachment proceeding.  Just heard Fox News at the top of the hour confirm what I'd heard: a full vote to confirm the charges by the house will lead to a federal trial, with conviction bringing up to a $1000 fine and one year in jail. (A misdemeanor, apparently.)

I suppose it's too much to hope for that Holder misses a court date, and federal Marshals show up at DoJ to cuff him and frog-march him?
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DAT, since the probe in question is into possible criminal activity, and "Executive Privelege" as codified shouldn't apply anyway, would Issa be able to get a special prosecutor or some such to investigate POTUS for violation of federal law re: covering this up using said privelege?

It's always said the coverup takes you down more than the crime.

Unfortunately, after the Scooter Libby fiasco, both sides dumped the special prosecuter law.  Under current law, the executive branch must designate special prosecuters. Chances of that; FAT.

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Nor is it an impeachment proceeding.  Just heard Fox News at the top of the hour confirm what I'd heard: a full vote to confirm the charges by the house will lead to a federal trial, with conviction bringing up to a $1000 fine and one year in jail. (A misdemeanor, apparently.)

I suppose it's too much to hope for that Holder misses a court date, and federal Marshals show up at DoJ to cuff him and frog-march him?

I don't have a Holder but I have been fooling with this one:



then too there is this one:




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I don't have a Holder but I have been fooling with this one:


Nice, keep up the great work.

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When they said full vote, did they mean that all of congress has to agree with it? If that is the case, he won't be brought up on anything.

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I don't have a Holder but I have been fooling with this one:



then too there is this one:






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