Obama Grants Holder Executive Privilege on 'Fast and Furious' Documents

[Ptarmigan]

Two words;  Jerry Ford

Gerald Ford was a Republican like Richard Nixon and it was the right move. Ford should of pardoned everyone involved in Watergate. That scandal is nothing today.

[Eupher]

Eupher, which part is far-fetched? That these were their purposes, or that this is spelled out in the docs? The second I grant you is at best a 50-50 proposition. They may not have committed their underlying purposes to documents or emails. The first is nothing beyond the twisted evil of this White House--and I do mean evil. I can't see why terrorizing border agents wouldn't be one of their underlying purposes. How the guns were sold and exactly to whom will mean something, too--we may see a strategy of targeting areas of illegal migrant influx to make it asier for that influx.

I would guess that the change was made for just what it looks like--making sure these people were better armed. If you're the Obama thugocracy, why not?

I think the entire conspiracy angle that you're projecting is far-fetched. I just don't think that Holder and Obama are that engaged in what ATF is doing.

Did you read this book?

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/29022

The only thing I disagree with in the review is that it portrays F&F as coming out of Washington, vis a vis the DOJ. Not so, according to the author. This absolute bullshit program was first touted by middle management in ATF, the same middle management that the author decries as being a typical example of the kind of management that seems to have infested ATF, the DEA, and other federal law enforcement agencies.

These are the guys who are political hacks, with little to no real experience, yet somehow find themselves in positions of authority.

The book is chock-full of references, links, and other supporting information. I definitely accept the author's POV, which is basically that F&F was a Phoenix/Tucson-based program from the concept level. F&F was approved at higher levels, most likely Holder. Certainly the cover-up was instigated at the highest levels of ATF and the DOJ.

So what is at stake here isn't the conspiracy of the cover-up, which a panic-stricken bureaucrat might employ out of fear. What's at stake here is DOJ's approval of F&F initially, which demonstrates monumental incompetence and pencil-whipping par excellence and THEN the cover-up after Terry was murdered.

Most of the cover-up occurred in the Phoenix office of the ATF, but I'm sure lots of shredding occurred elsewhere up the line.

[Eupher]

Gerald Ford was a Republican like Richard Nixon and it was the right move. Ford should of pardoned everyone involved in Watergate. That scandal is nothing today.

I could not disagree more.

That scandal alienated more Americans against the political process and fawned more distrust of politicians than had EVER been seen before.

That scandal caused the only resignation of a sitting U.S. president in history.

That scandal portrayed the president as having far more power and willingness to use it than had ever been thought imaginable.

That scandal helped created a cynicism that is still rampant today.

No, what happened in the early Seventies and culminating with Ford's pardon of Nixon in September 1974 was and still is huge in American politics.

[JohnnyReb]

Obama Grants Holder Executive Privilege ...does that also mean Holder can use Air Force #1 for golfing vacations?

[Bad Dog]

I could not disagree more.

That scandal alienated more Americans against the political process and fawned more distrust of politicians than had EVER been seen before.

That scandal caused the only resignation of a sitting U.S. president in history.

That scandal portrayed the president as having far more power and willingness to use it than had ever been thought imaginable.

That scandal helped created a cynicism that is still rampant today.

No, what happened in the early Seventies and culminating with Ford's pardon of Nixon in September 1974 was and still is huge in American politics.

Well said.

[docstew]

Listening to Rush while running errands and heard Queen Botox expounding on the contempt resolution and how it was an attack on Holder for working against "voter suppression." I guess botox really is corrosive to the brain.

I heard that and LMAO'd. Does she not realize that opens another avenue of attack on him?

(Theoretical Issa Statement): "I'd like to thank Representative Pelosi for her reminder of AG Holder's responsibilities. It is in this spirit that I am filing another request for a Contempt of Congress resolution against the AG, for his failure to enforce anti-voter suppression laws, specifically his decision to drop charges against the New Black Panther Party for their actions during the election of 2008. The Oversight and Government Reform Committee will be voting on this new resolution today."

[obumazombie]

Well said.

Anyone who legitimately thinks Watergate was bad, should think F&F is orders of magnitude worse. Several commentators have made statements to the effect of "Watergate was child's play" in comparison. Some poster before you was trying to remember the name of the Bush administration sting that had nothing to do with F&F. It was "Wide Receiver".

[Bad Dog]

Anyone who legitimately thinks Watergate was bad, should think F&F is orders of magnitude worse. Several commentators have made statements to the effect of "Watergate was child's play" in comparison. Some poster before you was trying to remember the name of the Bush administration sting that had nothing to do with F&F. It was "Wide Receiver".

What he said.

[Cyn]

One wonders if O'gangsta and Holder have matching "Thug Nation" tats on their abdomens. That's what this country has become under his dictatorship.

[CG6468]

Anyone who legitimately thinks Watergate was bad, should think F&F is orders of magnitude worse. Several commentators have made statements to the effect of "Watergate was child's play" in comparison. Some poster before you was trying to remember the name of the Bush administration sting that had nothing to do with F&F. It was "Wide Receiver".

Badda-BING!   

[BlueStateSaint]

I'm not sure if anyone's brought up this angle yet--giving weapons to groups that are fighting the Mexican government, without the knowledge of the Mexican government, is an act of war against the Mexican government.  It can be easily established that the drug gangs want to transform Mexico into a narco-state, similar to how the Obamessiah and his minions want to transform the USA into a European socialist state.  So, in conclusion, the Obama Administration committed an act of war against Mexico, and should be held accountable for that--all to try to destroy the Second Amendment.

[docstew]

I'm not sure if anyone's brought up this angle yet--giving weapons to groups that are fighting the Mexican government, without the knowledge of the Mexican government, is an act of war against the Mexican government.  It can be easily established that the drug gangs want to transform Mexico into a narco-state, similar to how the Obamessiah and his minions want to transform the USA into a European socialist state.  So, in conclusion, the Obama Administration committed an act of war against Mexico, and should be held accountable for that--all to try to destroy the Second Amendment.

Committed an act of war without a declaration of war, clear and present danger to the country, or even bothering to tell Congress. Something there screams "High crimes and misdemeanors".

[BlueStateSaint]

Committed an act of war without a declaration of war, clear and present danger to the country, or even bothering to tell Congress. Something there screams "High crimes and misdemeanors".

Try to get the Democratics to see that angle.

[obumazombie]

Committed an act of war without a declaration of war, clear and present danger to the country, or even bothering to tell Congress. Something there screams "High crimes and misdemeanors".

Libya, Yemen, Egypt, probably Syria, Africa, committing combat equipped US soldiers, and even actively attacking these countries with US military personnel, wholly without any congressional approval. Not to mention a de facto act of war in Mexico, owebuma should have already been convicted of undeclared wars many times over.

[Delmar]

Everyone knows that blaming Bush won't work. But seeing that it is all the liberals have, they might as well try it.

The democrat party is starting to realize that blaming President Bush is only working with the hardcore DUmmy types and isn't fooling the rest of us, so now they are starting to say that--while Bush is still to blame--the House is wasting time on this distraction when they should be working on JOBS.  One of the three Hillary Rosens that Jay Carney knows was saying this--with a straight face--on ABC's This Week today.     

[Kyle Ricky]

The democrat party is starting to realize that blaming President Bush is only working with the hardcore DUmmy types and isn't fooling the rest of us, so now they are starting to say that--while Bush is still to blame--the House is wasting time on this distraction when they should be working on JOBS.  One of the three Hillary Rosens that Jay Carney knows was saying this--with a straight face--on ABC's This Week today.    

Two of the things main things this election is about is jobs and the economy. Since Obama's hasn't helped either of those, and really has nothing else to run on. They are going to try anything they can to distract from it. Whether it be blame Bush, call everyone a racist, give 1 million illegals amnesty so they can vote for him, force states to stop purging illegal voters, cause a race war, give free birth control and accuse the right of hating women, etc, etc, etc... They will stop at nothing to keep his record from coming up.