Herman Cain a Fraud?

[vesta111]

What would such a display look like? Would it be like every major Muslim organization denouncing fanatacism? Would it be press conferences, statements, or tv appearances? What about working with law enforcement, joining the FBI, or serving in the military? Maybe we just need your advice, because we have done all those things and yet 10 years later people still claim it isn't happening. Maybe people just don't know how to use Google?

Salaam, it is difficult to explain fanaticism to those that have never seen it.  

We walk by people wild eyed on street corners clothed in robes carrying a bible and shouting the end is coming. Do we speak to them, question their mission, Hell no we run the other way.

We watch in horror as people in Asia, Buddhists douse them selves with gas and burn to death.

Fanatics come from all walks of people, the State of RI became as it is is because the Protestants ran the Catholics out of Mass.

Utah was settled by the Mormons that were killed and jailed in the North.    At one time the Quaker's were tared and feathered and ran out of town by the good Christian Fanatics of the time----not even going to the burning alive people of the fanatics in Mass.


Today we center on the Middle Eastern Muslims that are fanatical about keeping their faith and culture intact.  They have gone from a civilization that was once proud, the arts and science was their crowning glory.  Today they have become so religious oriented they have lost their wonderful heritage to become slaves to their religious leaders.   They no longer build awe inspiring edifices, temples or even think of them selves as humans, all is for religion, and war.

The westernised Muslims are in no way the same with a few exceptions  in any way, they make tremendous contributions to western society's, smart, hard working and are not about to want to go back to the places they came from, good reason they fled their home land in the first place.

Just compair the ME Muslims with the American Black Muslims, Sure Farracon attracts the fanatics, but like all faiths not all are wild eyed and dangerous.

Why do not the Muslim comunity  speak out about the Finatics, easy, they have family and are controlled by the Muslim religious leaders.   The very fear of what will happen to their family's and to themselves leaves them alone and silent.----To speak out is a sentence of death to them and family.

Check out what is happening to the Bahia comunity in the ME-----Gross and inhuman.

[DefiantSix]

OK then. So since we all know or should know by now that the overwhelming majority of terror arrests come from tips from Muslims, then we shouldn't continue with arguments that have no basis in reality.

We all know this?  Please cite a source, because I've sure never heard this before.  I know that SOME terrorist arrests have come from tips within "the community", but most of the ones I'm immediately familiar with are arrested because alert bystanders, passengers, Times Square security cameras, etc. are spotting them in the act and refusing to be a victim of muslim violence.

By contrast, I'm all too familiar with the mosques in Virginia, Florida, Michigan and other places which are actively recruiting American muslims and shipping overseas for training in Jihad against the west.  I'm aware of terrorist training camps being set up and run here in this country, on American soil.  I'm aware of muslim religious schools here on American soil, where - among other questionable things - kids are taught geography with the state of Israel nowhere on the map.

But the part I find most offensive, is the fact that muslim apologists - "moderate" muslims, all (or so they claim, and without refute from any other voices in the muslim community, I might add) - tell me that all of this is merely "misperception" on my part; that I am mis-interpreting what it is that is before my eyes, because somehow I lack the cultural context to understand that all of these things really are peaceful, and that muslims are simply trying to live and fit in and function within American society.  Bullshit.  Don't piss on my leg and then try to tell me that it's just the rain.

If the "moderate" muslim community - where y'all claim that of about 1.5 BILLION muslims, only - at most - 10% or 150 million are the radicals doing what we here in the west associate with the "Religion of Peace^(TM)" - wanted these radicals ostracized and separated from them, 1.35 billion people could make it happen.  The fact that radicals continue to find cover and shelter, not to mention recruits, money, arms, and support from within the "moderate" flocks tells me that at best, y'all are of two minds, even here in America.

[rich_t]

I tell you what it would look like.  It would look like "moderate" muslims walking out of a mosque where "jihad" or other forceful conversion of us "infidels" was being preached, and making a right turn and a beeline for the local police station to file reports and demand arrests for the crap going on there.

I'm a mormon.  In the '80s, we had a mission out in Honolulu where some of the male missionaries were pimping out the female missionaries.  The church came down on that whole mission like a ton of bricks.  All 200 or so missionaries were excommunicated from the church: some for participating; and the rest, for knowing it was going on and doing or saying nothing to stop it.  That done, the actual actors in the whole debacle were escorted down to Honolulu PD, where they were surrendered to the authorities, and charged with their crimes.

That's the kind of response I'd love to see from the "moderate" muslim community, Salaam.  Not tolerance of the "radicals".  Not sheltering them and their activities.  Not sweeping their carnage done in Allah's name under the rug.  If Islam truly is a "religion of peace", then set the standard in your community, and then expel those who refuse to live by it, reporting their activities to the proper authorities.

Thanks.  You beat me to it.

[renewal2012]

Muzzies all dress alike. How does one tell the difference between a good muzzie and a bad one?

Actually they are quite capable of outwardly blending into a western society in an appearance sense. As to good or bad- A true moslem can only be an enemy to any normal civil society. Sharia and jihad define being moslem. The community in self-defense must remove any person spouting/harbouring  such ideas by any means available.

[renewal2012]

Books, school, google, 14 centuries and people still pretend they don't know any better. 5 pillars and 6 articles govern the faith of a Muslim. Neither Jihad nor Shariah are part of either. One day we will get past blatant misinformation and stick to the facts.

Of course no true moslem feels the least guilt at deception of the infidel. Show me a moslem who will publically reject sharia and jihad, publically accept the Right of anyone to laugh at and mock Muhammad & the koran-PUBLICALLY, the Right of anyone to leave the moslem religion at any time for any reason, acknowledge that moslems who commit 'honour' killings are first degree murderers who MUST be put to death and accept immediate deportation for ever backsliding on such conditions and I will show you a 'moslem' it might be safe to allow to reside in America.

[Eupher]

Thanks, Salaam, for bringing up the original post and trying to come back to the point of the thread.

As you well know, we've been down this tired road of Islam and Shariah and Jihad and all the rest of it. Ain't goin' there again, myself, because I've BTDT, but if there's an interest in pursuing it by yourself and others, might I suggest opening another thread on it?

TIA

[CG6468]

...but if there's an interest in pursuing it by yourself and others, might I suggest opening another thread on it?

TIA

Thank you, Eupher.

[Janice]

Thanks for taking the time to point out some of the finer details that most of us would miss Salaam. Great stuff.

After listening to Cain on the radio for so many years before he threw his hat into the ring this year its hard for me to imagine that he is any sort of fraud. He seems no different now than he has always been.

[Salaam]

Thanks for taking the time to point out some of the finer details that most of us would miss Salaam. Great stuff.

After listening to Cain on the radio for so many years before he threw his hat into the ring this year its hard for me to imagine that he is any sort of fraud. He seems no different now than he has always been.

I haven't heard of him before this election cycle. Maybe it's a rush to judgement on my part. Even at 100% genuine I don't see him winning the nomination. There has to be a candidate that can not only excite the base but have the ability to gain the support of all Americans. You can't win a general election based on how well your party's base likes you.

[Rebel]

I haven't heard of him before this election cycle. Maybe it's a rush to judgement on my part. Even at 100% genuine I don't see him winning the nomination. There has to be a candidate that can not only excite the base but have the ability to gain the support of all Americans. You can't win a general election based on how well your party's base likes you.

When's the last time someone was elected in the general election with the support of all Americans? Let's face it, the Muslim population in this nation isn't exactly the number that's going to sway any election. As for Cain, I have no problem WHATSOEVER with him requiring any Muslim nominated to take an oath of allegiance to the nation. People do it all the time when getting a federal position. I just don't know if I believe most of'em. One of the heads of CAIR is on record as saying he wants to see an Islamic flag flying over the White House and the United States to adopt Shar'ia law. If you support that antiquated bullshit, you shouldn't have a vote as it's incompatible with the US Constitution.

[Salaam]

You've said so yourself all federal employees have to take some sort of oath. Not to mention a damn SSBI! So what's the point in bringing it up? Any federal employee that is Muslim would have already "proven" such allegiance. Cain was pandering plain and simple to a base that gets a hard on for this BS. The sad part is its like the damn poll taxes in the Jim crow era and Cain should know better. The thing I don't get is why is the GOP preparing for electoral suicide? They can't expect to win future elections if the party consists mainly of older white males in the south. Throwing minorities under a bus for one or two election cycles is bound to bite you in the butt once those same communities become the majority in 20 years. Bush carried the Muslim vote in 2000 and had a sizable chunk of the Hispanic vote in 2004. His black vote actually increased 3%-5% from 2000 to 2004. All these so called "scary" people will be the majority or close to it by 2020. What the hell is the Republican party going to do when their tried and true voters are no longer a political threat? The party is bleeding and promoting stupid stuff like loyalty tests for one group of Americans and not others is sinister, dispicable, and un-American.