what elements of fascism are we seeing today?

[Ralph Wiggum]

Other than by the Democrat party, NONE!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4236700

w8liftinglady(1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:38 PM
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what elements of fascism are we seeing today?
   
The Government involvement in the banking system had me thinking...what other subtle elements of fascism have we seen develop over the last 8 years?(or am I dreaming things?)

XemaSab (1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:40 PM
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1. Telling people it's patriotic to shut the hell up and support the "Commander-in-Chief"

Lydia Leftcoast(1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:42 PM
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2. Disdain for intellectuals
   
Xenophobia
Public insistence on "traditional morality" while the higher-ups violate the rules they preach
Perversion of religion for political ends
Glorification of the military and the equation of militarism with patriotism

Democrats_win  (1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:43 PM
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3. Cameras on all stop lights. Free-speech zones, ID requirements
   
ID (can you believe it? Now the Nazis could ask for our papers as was done in the movie Casablanca.) Drug laws (where's freedom), seizure of property associated with drug laws and without just compensation or a trial.

Note, fascism is corporate control of government and you might notice that is about the way things are.

Feles Mala  (1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:48 PM
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10. All this voter registration malarkey...
   
The fake, multiple names... With the millions registering, these errors and the few downright deceptions probably don't even add up to one percent of the electorate, and yet the Neocons have convinced themselves and their legions that any Obama win will not be legitimate. Claiming mass fraud when your side loses - should they lose - is about as fascist as you can get because it hinders the ability of the winner to govern.

More idiocy, as usual, at the link.

[Chris_]

Other than by the Democrat party, NONE!!!

w8liftinglady(1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:38 PM
Original message
what elements of fascism are we seeing today?
  
The Government involvement in the banking system had me thinking...what other subtle elements of fascism have we seen develop over the last 8 years?(or am I dreaming things?)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4236700

More idiocy, as usual, at the link.

I'm omitting all but the original post for the moment, because they are irrelevant to the point I need to make here, but I think this DUmmy may have stumbled onto a piece of truth here.

I'm still looking for corroberating links, but I was listening to Jerry Doyle's radio show this afternoon, and he has an article that reports 7 of the 9 financial firms targeted by Henry Paulson for "bail out" with the $750 billion Congress took from you and I at gunpoint last week DID NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT MONEY.  PAULSON TOLD THEM THEY WERE GOING TO BE "BAILED OUT" - OR ELSE.   Apparently Paulson has told someone that the government was going to bail out these firms, because as "big guys" in the marketplace, he wanted to use them to remove the stigma of taking the government's help for the rest of the fish in Paulson's barrel.

If the federal government is using a market correction and the normal fluctuations of the market as pretext to take control over the financial system in this country - as they appear to be doing - how does this NOT rise to the level of fascism?  Apparently there are a couple of troubled financial firms that are applying for re-charter under New York banking laws, rather than accept Federal money - and the inevitable long arm of regulation that will follow.

This stinks on ice to this Classical Liberal Constitutionalist.

[MrsSmith]

Claiming mass fraud when your side loses - should they lose - is about as fascist as you can get because it hinders the ability of the winner to govern.

Huh?
What site has this DUmmy been reading?

Apparently, not the one he's posting at.

   No kidding!!  These are the jokers that have cried "stolen election" for 8 years now!!  

[MrsSmith]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4236700

More idiocy, as usual, at the link.


I'm omitting all but the original post for the moment, because they are irrelevant to the point I need to make here, but I think this DUmmy may have stumbled onto a piece of truth here.

I'm still looking for corroberating links, but I was listening to Jerry Doyle's radio show this afternoon, and he has an article that reports 7 of the 9 financial firms targeted by Henry Paulson for "bail out" with the $750 billion Congress took from you and I at gunpoint last week DID NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT MONEY.  PAULSON TOLD THEM THEY WERE GOING TO BE "BAILED OUT" - OR ELSE.   Apparently Paulson has told someone that the government was going to bail out these firms, because as "big guys" in the marketplace, he wanted to use them to remove the stigma of taking the government's help for the rest of the fish in Paulson's barrel.

If the federal government is using a market correction and the normal fluctuations of the market as pretext to take control over the financial system in this country - as they appear to be doing - how does this NOT rise to the level of fascism?  Apparently there are a couple of troubled financial firms that are applying for re-charter under New York banking laws, rather than accept Federal money - and the inevitable long arm of regulation that will follow.

This stinks on ice to this Classical Liberal Constitutionalist.

I'm not at all happy about the idea of our government owning our banks, either.     Buying mortgages, yes.  Buying banks, no.  The stupid Democrat regulations started all this mess, and now we're going to "fix" it by having the government get into the bank business.   

[Carl]

Huh?
What site has this DUmmy been reading?

Apparently, not the one he's posting at.

Their ability to believe completely opposite things can be breathtaking at times

[NHSparky]

Claiming mass fraud when your side loses - should they lose - is about as fascist as you can get because it hinders the ability of the winner to govern.

[miskie]

 No kidding!!  These are the jokers that have cried "stolen election" for 8 years now!!  

They think they have been on the right side of the 'stolen election' issue for the last eight years. They aren't looking forward to calls for Chimpeachment for Obama&Co. If The One wins - I suspect the calls to chimpeach will begin about 30 seconds after inauguration.

The only difference is the charge of obvious election fraud is already getting loaded up with facts.

[Chris_]

I'm not at all happy about the idea of our government owning our banks, either.     Buying mortgages, yes.  Buying banks, no.  The stupid Democrat regulations started all this mess, and now we're going to "fix" it by having the government get into the bank business.   

The government has no more Constitutional authority to buy up the mortgages of irresponsible people than it does to buy up irresponsible banks.  Acceptance of either as good, okay or even normal sets a mui mui bad precedent all the way around.  The case is actually stronger for the buying up of the banks; even there though, Congress only has authority to "coin money, [and] regulate the value thereof", not to nationalize private businesses.

[TheSarge]

w8liftinglady(1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:38 PM
Original message
what elements of fascism are we seeing today?

Proposals for redistribution of wealth...class welfare...attempts to silence speech...propaganda disguised as "news" from the major media outlets...universal healthcare proposals...attempts to kill and or alter the free market trade system.

And they are all attributed to the Democrat party.

[Vagabond]

The modern liberal is all the evidence of fascism I hpe I ever see.

[MrsSmith]

The government has no more Constitutional authority to buy up the mortgages of irresponsible people than it does to buy up irresponsible banks.  Acceptance of either as good, okay or even normal sets a mui mui bad precedent all the way around.  The case is actually stronger for the buying up of the banks; even there though, Congress only has authority to "coin money, [and] regulate the value thereof", not to nationalize private businesses.

Good point.  The best thing would have been to take the CRA and shove it up Carter's, um, nose...   

[Vagabond]

Good point.  The best thing would have been to take the CRA and shove it up Carter's, um, nose...   

But unfortunately, the second best thing is to recapitalize the banks after the government schemes blows up and try to eliminate the laws that caused it all to begin with.  A healthy financial sector is a little bit important.

[Chris]

Legislative attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights

Attempts to limit First Amendment rights


Stop me if you've heard this before.  And feel free to add your own.

[FlaGator]

A bunch of socialists calling others facsist... how existential.

[MrsSmith]

What elements of fascism are we seeing today?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20040525-1848-ca-countyseal-aclu.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad_cross_controversy

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/11/01/desert.cross.ap/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250154,00.html

http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/1226/stories/1226_cross.php

http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030507cross0507p2.asp

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3228069&page=1

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/5/afa/272005a.asp

http://www.gazette.com/articles/speech_26669___article.html/district_corder.html

http://members.iquest.net/~macihms/Education/schoolval.html

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/usnews/060620b.aspx

http://www.prayinjesusname.org/

http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/354544181.html

Our whole country is going...

[Airwolf]

Huh?
What site has this DUmmy been reading?

Apparently, not the one he's posting at.

"Cough...ALGORE.....Cough"

[jukin]

When I first noticed it was when Reid and Pelosi threatened the TV and cable media not to run "The Path to 9/11" with not renewing their FCC licenses.

Now it just seems that squelching opposing opinions or inconvenient facts by the Obama campaign is a rerun of Mussolini.

Then there is the plans for a brown shirt national civil force with a budget as large as the DOD.

I see all of this from the libera...totalitarian collectivists of the democra....socialist party of America.

[USA4ME]

Lydia Leftcoast

Disdain for intellectuals

She has a point. Liberals have held conservatives, who are their intellectual superiors in every conceivable way, in disdain for years now.

.

[USA4ME]

I'm still looking for corroberating links, but I was listening to Jerry Doyle's radio show this afternoon, and he has an article that reports 7 of the 9 financial firms targeted by Henry Paulson for "bail out" with the $750 billion Congress took from you and I at gunpoint last week DID NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT MONEY.  PAULSON TOLD THEM THEY WERE GOING TO BE "BAILED OUT" - OR ELSE.   Apparently Paulson has told someone that the government was going to bail out these firms, because as "big guys" in the marketplace, he wanted to use them to remove the stigma of taking the government's help for the rest of the fish in Paulson's barrel.

I understand your concern, and while I am generally in agreement with you, there is a legit reason for this whether we might agree with it or not.  Traditionally, when a bank went to the Fed discount window in order to borrow, that sent a signal to the market that bank was experiencing difficulties.  What he's doing is a smoke and mirrors trick, and they know it, but it calms concerns.

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[whiffleball]

w8liftinglady only sees pink elephants.  She must be DTing again.

[DumbAss Tanker]

w8liftinglady(1000+ posts)
Tue Oct-14-08 04:38 PM
Original message
what elements of fascism are we seeing today?

A media oligarchy and its press organs in control of 95% of public information and completely co-opted for one political party.....?