The Conservative Cave
Interests => Religious Discussions => Topic started by: Thor on January 02, 2008, 09:52:57 PM
-
A discussion a muslim friend of mine and I have had is that Islam has the same roots as Judaism and Christianity. I kind of think that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a bunch of fanatics, misinterpreting the Qur'An to suit their needs.
As for me, I'm kind of live and let live type of guy.
-
A discussion a muslim friend of mine and I have had is that Islam has the same roots as Judaism and Christianity. I kind of think that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a bunch of fanatics, misinterpreting the Qur'An to suit their needs.
As for me, I'm kind of live and let live type of guy.
Man, you just don't understand, man, Islam is a religion of peace, man. Christians are the true oppressors, man. :sarcasm:
-
At somewhere around 1,500 years, world religions seem to need a revolution. It happened in Judaism with the destruction of the temple. It happened in Christianity with the Reformation. It needs to happen to Islam, it seems to me.
-
"Topic: Is Islam Truly So Evil??"
Yes. Ever see any Mormon suicide bombers? No.
-
I think that the perversion of that religion is so widespread that the answer to your question is "yes."
Do I believe all people of Islamic faith are evil? No.
-
I think that the perversion of that religion is so widespread that the answer to your question is "yes."
Do I believe all people of Islamic faith are evil? No.
Problem is, it's said that 10% of Muslims are radical. It's also said there are between 1.3 and 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. That's 130-180 million radical weirdbeards out there and if their "moderates" don't get'em under control, they're going to be collateral damage. They need to make a choice.
-
I think that the perversion of that religion is so widespread that the answer to your question is "yes."
Do I believe all people of Islamic faith are evil? No.
Problem is, it's said that 10% of Muslims are radical. It's also said there are between 1.3 and 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. That's 130-180 million radical weirdbeards out there and if their "moderates" don't get'em under control, they're going to be collateral damage. They need to make a choice.
Agreed.
Ever see any Mormon suicide bombers? No.
:bravo:
-
I think that the perversion of that religion is so widespread that the answer to your question is "yes."
Do I believe all people of Islamic faith are evil? No.
Sadly, only "radical" muslims are hewing to their faith as defined by muhommed (may he burn in hell forever between pig skins).
I have read the accursed quran and anyone who follows it is, by definition, following evil. Modern society doesn't give a pass to people who say "I learned that as a child."
Everyone chooses their morality. To choose evil or to allow evil to be thrust upon you is a choice nonetheless.
-
I think that the perversion of that religion is so widespread that the answer to your question is "yes."
Do I believe all people of Islamic faith are evil? No.
Sadly, only "radical" muslims are hewing to their faith as defined by muhommed (may he burn in hell forever between pig skins).
I have read the accursed quran and anyone who follows it is, by definition, following evil. Modern society doesn't give a pass to people who say "I learned that as a child."
Everyone chooses their morality. To choose evil or to allow evil to be thrust upon you is a choice nonetheless.
um, so that's a "yes?"
-
A discussion a muslim friend of mine and I have had is that Islam has the same roots as Judaism and Christianity. I kind of think that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a bunch of fanatics, misinterpreting the Qur'An to suit their needs.
As for me, I'm kind of live and let live type of guy.
Fundie Muslims are not.
-
A discussion a muslim friend of mine and I have had is that Islam has the same roots as Judaism and Christianity. I kind of think that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a bunch of fanatics, misinterpreting the Qur'An to suit their needs.
As for me, I'm kind of live and let live type of guy.
Fundie Muslims are not.
True. And thats why we're over their blowing their brains outta the back of their heads.
But you yourself pointed out why the religion as a whole is not "evil". It's the fundies that are.
Fundies always take it to the extreme and twist it beyond what it's supposed to be.
I don't see Islam as being evil. It's a tool that can lead to evil, but its also one that can lead to good. It's all just how you use it. Kinda like the Force...
And having made a Star Wars reference in a somewhat serious discussion, I think it's time for me to leave. :bolt:
-
A discussion a muslim friend of mine and I have had is that Islam has the same roots as Judaism and Christianity. I kind of think that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a bunch of fanatics, misinterpreting the Qur'An to suit their needs.
As for me, I'm kind of live and let live type of guy.
Fundie Muslims are not.
True. And thats why we're over their blowing their brains outta the back of their heads.
But you yourself pointed out why the religion as a whole is not "evil". It's the fundies that are.
Fundies always take it to the extreme and twist it beyond what it's supposed to be.
I don't see Islam as being evil. It's a tool that can lead to evil, but its also one that can lead to good. It's all just how you use it. Kinda like the Force...
And having made a Star Wars reference in a somewhat serious discussion, I think it's time for me to leave. :bolt:
You are wrong. islam is inherently evil -- its very existence was created by evil for evil purposes. The reason there was never a muslim Enlightenment is that there is no part of the accursed quaran that can be "enlightened."
-
I think it's inherently evil.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Statement-on-Muslims.htm
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
-
Salaam, don't expect to make to many friends over here either.
-
From the home page of the link provided by the new member -
Welcome to the Official Website of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement for the Propagation of Islam' (Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha'at-e-Islam Lahore).
The aim of this website is to archive the literary treasures of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. Over the past hundred years the Movement has spread the word of Islam through peaceful means — the pen.
The main object of this Movement is to present the true, original message of Islam to the whole world — Islam as it is found in the Holy Quran and the life of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), obscured today by grave misconceptions and wrong popular notions.
Islam seeks to attract the hearts and minds of people towards the truth, by means of reasoning, good moral example, and the natural beauty of its principles. It neither aspires to gain political power, nor allows the use of force in support of the faith.
Full disclosure is always a good thing. There is a even a link on how to become a Muslim, complete with a declaration page.
Thanks for the unbiased info. :whatever:
-
Salaam, don't expect to make to many friends over here either.
Like I really care..... ::)
-
From the home page of the link provided by the new member -
Welcome to the Official Website of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement for the Propagation of Islam' (Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha'at-e-Islam Lahore).
The aim of this website is to archive the literary treasures of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. Over the past hundred years the Movement has spread the word of Islam through peaceful means — the pen.
The main object of this Movement is to present the true, original message of Islam to the whole world — Islam as it is found in the Holy Quran and the life of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), obscured today by grave misconceptions and wrong popular notions.
Islam seeks to attract the hearts and minds of people towards the truth, by means of reasoning, good moral example, and the natural beauty of its principles. It neither aspires to gain political power, nor allows the use of force in support of the faith.
Full disclosure is always a good thing. There is a even a link on how to become a Muslim, complete with a declaration page.
Thanks for the unbiased info. :whatever:
Now, I know you think you have shared some info, but any who know me, knows that I'm not an Ahmaddiyah, whether Lahori or not, and Muslims of all sects use this resource because it is an authoritative book complete with references. So you can either read the book or not, but can never say you didn't have the chance to read an authoritative commentary on Islam.
-
I wasn't discounting what you provided. And you shouldn't discount the information provided by others.
The best authoritative commentary on Islam is being done by those who commit atrocities and acts of terror in the name of Islam.
-
I wasn't discounting what you provided. And you shouldn't discount the information provided by others.
The best authoritative commentary on Islam is being done by those who commit atrocities and acts of terror in the name of Islam.
What about all those in Iraq who are fighting those who are committing those atrocities. I'd say there are probably many more Muslims who have taken up arms agains the terrorists, then the terrorists themselves.
-
Tsunami survivors given the lash
Michael Sheridan and Dewi Loveard, Banda Aceh
Disaster donations help Islamic vigilante force impose punishments on women
WHEN people around the world sent millions of pounds to help the stricken Indonesian province of Aceh after the Boxing Day tsunami of 2004, few could have imagined that their money would end up subsidising the lashing of women in public.
But militant Islamists have since imposed sharia law in Aceh and have cornered Indonesian government funds to organise a moral vigilante force that harasses women and stages frequent displays of humiliation and state-sanctioned violence.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2508262,00.html (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2508262,00.html)
+++
The Blasphemous Teddy Bear
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687755,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687755,00.html)
-
Christianity isn't without it's radical forms and factions. However, I think that most of Christianity has outgrown the radical Christianity that used to be rampant. (I still consider myself a Christian)
-
I wasn't discounting what you provided. And you shouldn't discount the information provided by others.
The best authoritative commentary on Islam is being done by those who commit atrocities and acts of terror in the name of Islam.
What about all those in Iraq who are fighting those who are committing those atrocities. I'd say there are probably many more Muslims who have taken up arms agains the terrorists, then the terrorists themselves.
I'm sorry we're not more familiar with each other's points of view. So, I will state it for the record and to clear up any confusion, I believe that a person should be judged by his deeds. Not by his religion.
That being said, you cannot overlook the inherent violence in Islam and the fact that many "moderate" Muslims fear for their lives if they speak out. Just look at the example you provided: Muslims in Iraq. What is being done to those who want to live in peace and side with Coalition Forces?
I hope that someday the radical elements who claim to the be the authority on Islam lose their grip and that it becomes nothing but a painful part of the past. I just don't know when that day will come.
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
pphhhbbbbbbbbbttttttt
anyone who comes using the word "sheeple" in their first post pretty much tells me all I need to know...
{edited to fix quote mishap}
-
Without a doubt, Islam is pure evil....
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
For more...http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html (http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html)
-
I wasn't discounting what you provided. And you shouldn't discount the information provided by others.
The best authoritative commentary on Islam is being done by those who commit atrocities and acts of terror in the name of Islam.
And the winner is...DixieBelle! :rocker2:
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
I have read the accursed quran -- it is pure evil and clearly states muhommed (may he burn forever in hell between 2 ham hocks) created a gutter religion to use as a political weapon and to lead the stupid. It worked.
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
I have read the accursed quran -- it is pure evil and clearly states muhommed (may he burn forever in hell between 2 ham hocks) created a gutter religion to use as a political weapon and to lead the stupid. It worked.
Freedum...tell us how you really feel :lmao:
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
I have read the accursed quran -- it is pure evil and clearly states muhommed (may he burn forever in hell between 2 ham hocks) created a gutter religion to use as a political weapon and to lead the stupid. It worked.
Freedum...tell us how you really feel :lmao:
I have got to learn not to be such a wall flower.
;)
-
Islam has not reformed itself for centuries. Many religions had their dark side, but at least they are past that. Islam does serious reforms. Perhaps, they should fight each other, like what is going on in Iraq and Pakistan, where Shia and Sunnis are at each other's throats.
Here is what I don't get. Why does the media associate Arabs with Islam? Yes, I know they invented Islam, but only make up 20 percent in the Muslim world. Before Islam, Arabs were mostly Pagan and Christian before Islam came. In American, 70% of Arabs are Christians.
-
thanks RC!! I try :naughty:
freedumb - that is some funny stuff!! May he burn in hell forever between 2 ham hocks. :rocker2:
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
Salaam, I have no problem with the mainstream Muslim, I know several and they are good people. My problem, and many others on this board and in the country is with the radical muslim. You know, the ones that like to suicide bomb trains, busses, public squares. The ones that riot over a DAMN CARTOON, those that perform "Honor Killings", yea that branch of Islam.
Until the moderate arm of Islam takes control over these fanatics its not going to be pretty for many Muslims. The moderate arm needs to come out and seperate themselves from these fanatics, CAIR needs to tone down their rhetoric and race baiting.
Incidents such as the recent bombing/assassination in Pakistan does NOT make Islam look good my friend and until the excusing of such incidents STOP and the CONDEMNATION starts, the Islamic faith is in for a rough time.
-
Salaam, I have no problem with the mainstream Muslim, I know several and they are good people. My problem, and many others on this board and in the country is with the radical muslim. You know, the ones that like to suicide bomb trains, busses, public squares. The ones that riot over a DAMN CARTOON, those that perform "Honor Killings", yea that branch of Islam.
Until the moderate arm of Islam takes control over these fanatics its not going to be pretty for many Muslims. The moderate arm needs to come out and seperate themselves from these fanatics, CAIR needs to tone down their rhetoric and race baiting.
Incidents such as the recent bombing/assassination in Pakistan does NOT make Islam look good my friend and until the excusing of such incidents STOP and the CONDEMNATION starts, the Islamic faith is in for a rough time.
That's what I am thinking too MASH.
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
:exactly:
Salaam, I have no problem with the mainstream Muslim, I know several and they are good people. My problem, and many others on this board and in the country is with the radical muslim. You know, the ones that like to suicide bomb trains, busses, public squares. The ones that riot over a DAMN CARTOON, those that perform "Honor Killings", yea that branch of Islam.
Until the moderate arm of Islam takes control over these fanatics its not going to be pretty for many Muslims. The moderate arm needs to come out and seperate themselves from these fanatics, CAIR needs to tone down their rhetoric and race baiting.
Incidents such as the recent bombing/assassination in Pakistan does NOT make Islam look good my friend and until the excusing of such incidents STOP and the CONDEMNATION starts, the Islamic faith is in for a rough time.
-
Honestly, I need to see more mainstream Muslims rising up themselves and stopping the insanity of the wackjob Mullahs. THEN, I'll be convinced that Islam can be a benign religion.
-
In all fairness, Salaam "tries" to do that. He's a USMC veteran who works in some fashion as a defense contractor, or something like that.
-
Honestly, I need to see more mainstream Muslims rising up themselves and stopping the insanity of the wackjob Mullahs. THEN, I'll be convinced that Islam can be a benign religion.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Islam is not based on the divine word of God.
-
I'm "new" but I wanted to share with the "experts" about my religion. I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within. The mouth bears witness to what is in the heart.
For those who actually want to read an authoritave commentary on Islam, outside of the armchair quaterbacks with no authority or education to speak on it, here is a downloadable pdf book that covers almost every Islamic topic you can think of.
The religion of Islam:
http://aaiil.org/text/books/mali/religionislam/religionofislam.pdf
pphhhbbbbbbbbbttttttt
anyone who comes using the word "sheeple" in their first post pretty much tells me all I need to know...
{edited to fix quote mishap}
Exactly....
-
I think if we apply the logic behind the saying...
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
... to Islam, we get...
Islam doesn't kill people. People kill people.
-
I think if we apply the logic behind the saying...
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
... to Islam, we get...
Islam doesn't kill people. People kill people.
Your analogy doesn't work.
People use guns.
Islam uses people.
-
I think if we apply the logic behind the saying...
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
... to Islam, we get...
Islam doesn't kill people. People kill people.
Your analogy doesn't work.
People use guns.
Islam uses people.
Beliefs have no power to act. They merely serve as a rationale for thoughts and behavior.
-
I think if we apply the logic behind the saying...
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
... to Islam, we get...
Islam doesn't kill people. People kill people.
Your analogy doesn't work.
People use guns.
Islam uses people.
Beliefs have no power to act. They merely serve as a rationale for thoughts and behavior.
Romans 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
1 Corr 3:11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
2 Corr 11:3-4 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
1 Timothy 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
1 Timothy 1:4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
1 Timothy 1:6 Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk.
1 Timothy 1:7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
1 Timothy 1:19 holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith.
1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
1 Timothy 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Timothy 6:3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound
instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
1 Timothy 6:4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in
controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife,
malicious talk, evil suspicions
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Jude 1:4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
-
I think if we apply the logic behind the saying...
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
... to Islam, we get...
Islam doesn't kill people. People kill people.
Clearly guns don't preach suicide bombing and jihad - Islam does (radical islam for the P.C. Crowd). I understand your point, however, guns have no influence over others actions were Islam the dominates daily behavior of billions of people.
-
Salaam, don't expect to make to many friends over here either.
Like I really care..... ::)
Ain't you some famous radio show guy?
:thatsright:
-
Clearly guns don't preach suicide bombing and jihad - Islam does (radical islam for the P.C. Crowd). I understand your point, however, guns have no influence over others actions were Islam the dominates daily behavior of billions of people.
I think you're missing my point. People who commit acts of violence in the name of a religion bear full responsibility for those actions. To blame Islam for what fanatics do in the name of Islam is like blaming movies for the actions of kids who emulate what they see in movies.
Moreover, the fact that billions of people can practice Islam without ever committing an act of terrorism serves to demonstrate that Islam is not the problem. Fanaticism is the problem.
-
Clearly guns don't preach suicide bombing and jihad - Islam does (radical islam for the P.C. Crowd). I understand your point, however, guns have no influence over others actions were Islam the dominates daily behavior of billions of people.
I think you're missing my point. People who commit acts of violence in the name of a religion bear full responsibility for those actions. To blame Islam for what fanatics do in the name of Islam is like blaming movies for the actions of kids who emulate what they see in movies.
Moreover, the fact that billions of people can practice Islam without ever committing an act of terrorism serves to demonstrate that Islam is not the problem. Fanaticism is the problem.
Explain to me the cartoon riots. It is more then fanaticism, it is a flaw in the religion of peace that allows what would be considered unthinkable behavior in other modern religions. It was similar with medieval Christianity, but that was hundreds of years ago and the rest of the world has matured - Islam has not - the result IMO is evil in our time. Are we talking fiction writer evil? No, I'm talking about a large mass of people (not all) that would kill over a cartoon or perceived slight or a book.
-
Explain to me the cartoon riots. It is more then fanaticism, it is a flaw in the religion of peace that allows what would be considered unthinkable behavior in other modern religions. It was similar with medieval Christianity, but that was hundreds of years ago and the rest of the world has matured - Islam has not - the result IMO is evil in our time. Are we talking fiction writer evil? No, I'm talking about a large mass of people (not all) that would kill over a cartoon or perceived slight or a book.
Neither the Koran nor Islam have any way of making people riot. People riot because they choose to, not because they are possessed by words or by belief systems they subscribe to.
Yes, violent extremism is more prevalent in Islam than in any of the other major religions, but even so, the percentage of Muslims who commit acts of violence in the name of their religion is extremely small. Let me put things into perspective... The Islamic faith has roughly 1.6 billion adherents. Even if we inflate the number of Islamic terrorists to an absurd and unrealistic 500,000, then we have only 0.03125% of Muslims who are terrorists.
-
Explain to me the cartoon riots. It is more then fanaticism, it is a flaw in the religion of peace that allows what would be considered unthinkable behavior in other modern religions. It was similar with medieval Christianity, but that was hundreds of years ago and the rest of the world has matured - Islam has not - the result IMO is evil in our time. Are we talking fiction writer evil? No, I'm talking about a large mass of people (not all) that would kill over a cartoon or perceived slight or a book.
Neither the Koran nor Islam have any way of making people riot. People riot because they choose to, not because they are possessed by words or by belief systems they subscribe to.
Yes, violent extremism is more prevalent in Islam than in any of the other major religions, but even so, the percentage of Muslims who commit acts of violence in the name of their religion is extremely small. Let me put things into perspective... The Islamic faith has roughly 1.6 billion adherents. Even if we inflate the number of Islamic terrorists to an absurd and unrealistic 500,000, then we have only 0.03125% of Muslims who are terrorists.
And .000213445329% Of all other religions combined who are terrorists.
-
Its the startling difference between Islam and other religions with kooky persons in it, at least to me. I live near Dearborn, they're everywhere... and the outcry is mysteriously near-absent towards the supposed hijackers of that faith.
Muslim outcry in response to terrorism may be absent in Dearborn, but it has not been absent elsewhere...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2936918.stm
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1403528,00.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/09/5000-algerians-protest-terrorism.html
-
Neither the Koran nor Islam have any way of making people riot. People riot because they choose to, not because they are possessed by words or by belief systems they subscribe to.
Huh? People riot EXCLUSIVELY because of their belief systems. They don't just get together and say "hey -- let's have a riot!" Whether their belief system is The Man is keeping them down or their evil god is being dissed, it is all about beliefs.
Yes, violent extremism is more prevalent in Islam than in any of the other major religions, but even so, the percentage of Muslims who commit acts of violence in the name of their religion is extremely small. Let me put things into perspective... The Islamic faith has roughly 1.6 billion adherents. Even if we inflate the number of Islamic terrorists to an absurd and unrealistic 500,000, then we have only 0.03125% of Muslims who are terrorists.
Their gutter religion specifically calls for using violence to accomplish the objective of making their pig god the only deity to be worshipped. Other than Satan worship it is the only major religion on Earth that has such exhortations. And before you point to the Old Testament, I remind you the stories pointed to with the warfare and the like are historical stories of the struggles of the Jews whose purpose are to provide generational continuity. That is not the case with islam.
-
Huh? People riot EXCLUSIVELY because of their belief systems. They don't just get together and say "hey -- let's have a riot!" Whether their belief system is The Man is keeping them down or their evil god is being dissed, it is all about beliefs.
Belief systems provide a rationale for behavior, but people and people alone are responsible for their behavior. If someone kills himself or herself after hearing a song which glorifies suicide, is the song to blame for the suicide? Of course not. Similarly, just because some Muslim takes an action which he or she believes is required by Islam does not mean that Islam is to blame for that action.
-
Their gutter religion specifically calls for using violence to accomplish the objective of making their pig god the only deity to be worshipped.
According to some sects of Christianity, a God who is supposedly merciful throws infidels like me into Hell for not worshipping him.
-
Huh? People riot EXCLUSIVELY because of their belief systems. They don't just get together and say "hey -- let's have a riot!" Whether their belief system is The Man is keeping them down or their evil god is being dissed, it is all about beliefs.
Belief systems provide a rationale for behavior, but people and people alone are responsible for their behavior. If someone kills himself or herself after hearing a song which glorifies suicide, is the song to blame for the suicide? Of course not. Similarly, just because some Muslim takes an action which he or she believes is required by Islam does not mean that Islam is to blame for that action.
Not "believes is required" -- just "required." Just as cult leaders are held responsible for their effect on their cults -- does the name Jim Jones ring a bell? -- if a screed is evil, calls for evil, promotes evil and requires evil, that screed is evil.
-
Their gutter religion specifically calls for using violence to accomplish the objective of making their pig god the only deity to be worshipped.
According to some sects of Christianity, a God who is supposedly merciful throws infidels like me into Hell for not worshipping him.
But they all believe that is between you and God. And them and God. Not you and them. Your strawman gives off much warmth when lit.
-
I suggest you actually read something instead of becoming sheeple looking for those who will give you vindication of the hate within.
Tell ya what, Salaam - reply with 100 links documenting Muslims standing up to Islamic extremists (like the Taliban or al Queda) and I'll read the PDF you posted. Deal?
-
Their gutter religion specifically calls for using violence to accomplish the objective of making their pig god the only deity to be worshipped.
According to some sects of Christianity, a God who is supposedly merciful throws infidels like me into Hell for not worshipping him.
your use of the word "sects" is inappropriate. and if you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in hell, either. So what's your problem?
-
Their gutter religion specifically calls for using violence to accomplish the objective of making their pig god the only deity to be worshipped.
According to some sects of Christianity, a God who is supposedly merciful throws infidels like me into Hell for not worshipping him.
Then you clearly do not understand Christianity.
-
your use of the word "sects" is inappropriate.
In a religious context, a sect is simply a dissenting group or denomination within a religion.
I suspect that most Christians believe that infidels can get into Heaven as long as they live decent lives, but many other Christians believe that infidels cannot get into Heaven no matter how they live their lives.
and if you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in hell, either. So what's your problem?
I disagree with the notion that one must believe in God or Hell to have opinions about them as concepts. Not believing in Allah doesn't stop people here from commenting on Islam, does it?
-
Of course an adult is always responsible for the choices they make. But you can't deny that the outcomes of such, can't be heavily influenced. When there's an organization systematically, methodically, attempting to influence choices to such a result.
Unlike the influence which certain drugs or certain mental illnesses exert, the influence Islam has is not beyond the control of humans. When people allow religion to influence their actions, they are making a conscious choice to allow religion to influence their actions.
Yes, they share blame.
I disagree. Islam bears no blame whatsoever for what the people who follow it do.
-
Of course an adult is always responsible for the choices they make. But you can't deny that the outcomes of such, can't be heavily influenced. When there's an organization systematically, methodically, attempting to influence choices to such a result.
Unlike the influence which certain drugs or certain mental illnesses exert, the influence Islam has is not beyond the control of humans. When people allow religion to influence their actions, they are making a conscious choice to allow religion to influence their actions.
Yes, they share blame.
I disagree. Islam bears no blame whatsoever for what the people who follow it do.
Truely clueless.
-
I disagree. Islam bears no blame whatsoever for what the people who follow it do.
People do what islam tells them to do and yet it bears no blame when they do so? WTF?
-
People do what islam tells them to do and yet it bears no blame when they do so? WTF?
The decision to take a course of action prescribed by Islam is entirely the responsibility of the person who makes it. Like I wrote before, religion provides nothing more than the rationale for actions. You can criticize a Islam for what it prescribes but you cannot blame it for the fact that people follow what it prescribes.
-
People do what islam tells them to do and yet it bears no blame when they do so? WTF?
The decision to take a course of action prescribed by Islam is entirely the responsibility of the person who makes it. Like I wrote before, religion provides nothing more than the rationale for actions. You can criticize a Islam for what it prescribes but you cannot blame it for the fact that people follow what it prescribes.
surely you are not equating the 9/11 attackers with, say, methodists, are you?
-
surely you are not equating the 9/11 attackers with, say, methodists, are you?
No, I am not equating the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks to Methodists and I'm perplexed as to why you think I would. I can assure you, however, that if the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks had been Methodists, I would not blame Methodism for those attacks.
-
surely you are not equating the 9/11 attackers with, say, methodists, are you?
No, I am not equating the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks to Methodists and I'm perplexed as to why you think I would. I can assure you, however, that if the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks had been Methodists, I would not blame Methodism for those attacks.
yes, we would.
-
surely you are not equating the 9/11 attackers with, say, methodists, are you?
No, I am not equating the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks to Methodists and I'm perplexed as to why you think I would. I can assure you, however, that if the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks had been Methodists, I would not blame Methodism for those attacks.
we would declare war on methodism, and methodists would die by the dozen.
(I am a methodist, by the way)
-
People do what islam tells them to do and yet it bears no blame when they do so? WTF?
The decision to take a course of action prescribed by Islam is entirely the responsibility of the person who makes it. Like I wrote before, religion provides nothing more than the rationale for actions. You can criticize a Islam for what it prescribes but you cannot blame it for the fact that people follow what it prescribes.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard -- and I have heard a lot. Let's put it this way: if there was no islam there would be no adherents trying to take over the world. I hate to potentially invoke Godwin's law, but your analysis says hitler wasn't responsible for the Holocaust since he only ordered the killings.
-
People do what islam tells them to do and yet it bears no blame when they do so? WTF?
The decision to take a course of action prescribed by Islam is entirely the responsibility of the person who makes it. Like I wrote before, religion provides nothing more than the rationale for actions. You can criticize a Islam for what it prescribes but you cannot blame it for the fact that people follow what it prescribes.
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard -- and I have heard a lot. Let's put it this way: if there was no islam there would be no adherents trying to take over the world. I hate to potentially invoke Godwin's law, but your analysis says hitler wasn't responsible for the Holocaust since he only ordered the killings.
That's gonna leave a mark. :hyper:
-
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard -- and I have heard a lot. Let's put it this way: if there was no islam there would be no adherents trying to take over the world. I hate to potentially invoke Godwin's law, but your analysis says hitler wasn't responsible for the Holocaust since he only ordered the killings.
Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust because he used his power to order the German people to carry out the Final Solution. Islam is not responsible for terrorism because Islam, unlike Adolf Hitler, has no power to force actions.
-
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard -- and I have heard a lot. Let's put it this way: if there was no islam there would be no adherents trying to take over the world. I hate to potentially invoke Godwin's law, but your analysis says hitler wasn't responsible for the Holocaust since he only ordered the killings.
Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust because he used his power to order the German people to carry out the Final Solution. Islam is not responsible for terrorism because Islam, unlike Adolf Hitler, has no power to force actions.
:rotf:
-
There is some crazy coincidence, then that those fellas who flow planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the field in central Pennsylvania all were of Islamic descent. It is mighty strange that the people who currently are strapping bombs to themselves to blow up innocent women and children all seem to be of Islamic persuasion.
-
There is some crazy coincidence, then that those fellas who flow planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the field in central Pennsylvania all were of Islamic descent. It is mighty strange that the people who currently are strapping bombs to themselves to blow up innocent women and children all seem to be of Islamic persuasion.
Funny, but... I'm not trying to completely divorce Islamic terrorism from Islam. What I've tried to do in this thread is point out Islam serves only as a rationale for actions. You can criticize Islam for what you think it requires of followers but you cannot blame it for what those followers actually do.
-
There is some crazy coincidence, then that those fellas who flow planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the field in central Pennsylvania all were of Islamic descent. It is mighty strange that the people who currently are strapping bombs to themselves to blow up innocent women and children all seem to be of Islamic persuasion.
Funny, but... I'm not trying to completely divorce Islamic terrorism from Islam. What I've tried to do in this thread is point out Islam serves only as a rationale for actions. You can criticize Islam for what you think it requires of followers but you cannot blame it for what those followers actually do.
I see, so you think these people would be terrorists anyway (without Islam), and just use Islam as their justification? :lame:
-
I see, so you think these people would be terrorists anyway (without Islam), and just use Islam as their justification? :lame:
No. I think that most who practice or support Islamic terrorism would have no rationale for it if not for Islam, but that doesn't mean that Islam is to blame for terrorism. Billions of people practice Islam peacefully.
-
Of course an adult is always responsible for the choices they make. But you can't deny that the outcomes of such, can't be heavily influenced. When there's an organization systematically, methodically, attempting to influence choices to such a result.
Unlike the influence which certain drugs or certain mental illnesses exert, the influence Islam has is not beyond the control of humans. When people allow religion to influence their actions, they are making a conscious choice to allow religion to influence their actions.
Yes, they share blame.
I disagree. Islam bears no blame whatsoever for what the people who follow it do.
Truely clueless.
He's like that turd in the toilet that pops up after you've flushed the toilet. It just won't go away.
-
Of course an adult is always responsible for the choices they make. But you can't deny that the outcomes of such, can't be heavily influenced. When there's an organization systematically, methodically, attempting to influence choices to such a result.
Unlike the influence which certain drugs or certain mental illnesses exert, the influence Islam has is not beyond the control of humans. When people allow religion to influence their actions, they are making a conscious choice to allow religion to influence their actions.
Yes, they share blame.
I disagree. Islam bears no blame whatsoever for what the people who follow it do.
Truely clueless.
He's like that turd in the toilet that pops up after you've flushed the toilet. It just won't go away.
:rotf:
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge. - Stephen Hawking
Being ignorant is not so much a shame as being unwilling to learn. - Benjamin Franklin
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
:-)
-
Huh? People riot EXCLUSIVELY because of their belief systems. They don't just get together and say "hey -- let's have a riot!" Whether their belief system is The Man is keeping them down or their evil god is being dissed, it is all about beliefs.
Their gutter religion specifically calls for using violence to accomplish the objective of making their pig god the only deity to be worshipped. Other than Satan worship it is the only major religion on Earth that has such exhortations. And before you point to the Old Testament, I remind you the stories pointed to with the warfare and the like are historical stories of the struggles of the Jews whose purpose are to provide generational continuity. That is not the case with islam.
The early stories of the battles related in the Hadith and Quran are related to just that, struggles for existence against a coalition of Jewish, Pagan, and Christian Arab tribes. Being a Semitic God, it is not surprising that Allah demands what It does. Judaism in itself also has references to brutality and violence, including their own brand of hating disbelievers (gentiles or goyim), but most do not interpret it as such to always mean hatred of all non-Jews. Many people, including Muslims, unfortunately lack something called historical context. If we took Jesus literally we would be whipping people for playing bingo or selling stuff in churches, and other not too nice things.
-
The early stories of the battles related in the Hadith and Quran are related to just that, struggles for existence against a coalition of Jewish, Pagan, and Christian Arab tribes. Being a Semitic God, it is not surprising that Allah demands what It does. Judaism in itself also has references to brutality and violence, including their own brand of hating disbelievers (gentiles or goyim), but most do not interpret it as such to always mean hatred of all non-Jews. Many people, including Muslims, unfortunately lack something called historical context. If we took Jesus literally we would be whipping people for playing bingo or selling stuff in churches, and other not too nice things.
May I suggest a remedial course in the New Testament? You seem to have missed about 99.99% of it. Extreme ignorance of any subject, while fully expected from DUmmies, is not supported on conservative boards.
-
A remedial course in Life On This Earth would also be appropriate.
-
The early stories of the battles related in the Hadith and Quran are related to just that, struggles for existence against a coalition of Jewish, Pagan, and Christian Arab tribes. Being a Semitic God, it is not surprising that Allah demands what It does. Judaism in itself also has references to brutality and violence, including their own brand of hating disbelievers (gentiles or goyim), but most do not interpret it as such to always mean hatred of all non-Jews. Many people, including Muslims, unfortunately lack something called historical context. If we took Jesus literally we would be whipping people for playing bingo or selling stuff in churches, and other not too nice things.
MOO-hammed and his merry gang running around robbing, kidnapping, raping and beheading people was no excuse for the Jewish, pagan and Christian Arabs to resent them, right?
-
I doubt that a remedial course on "Life on Earth" is necessary because we do not really care who we offend by questioning common opinions.
May I suggest a remedial course in the New Testament? You seem to have missed about 99.99% of it. Extreme ignorance of any subject, while fully expected from DUmmies, is not supported on conservative boards.
I do not envision the Son of God in such a meek pacifistic light. There is a prelude to the carnage that he is going to deliver to the Satanic hordes during the end of days, and you see references to it in Matthew and in his life when he warns people. Jesus Christ is not violent in the sense that we think of today, but he did not take blasphemy or offending God The Father lightly.
Not all Christians reject The Old Testament, and not all Christians see Jesus and The Apostles in the same light.
MOO-hammed and his merry gang running around robbing, kidnapping, raping and beheading people was no excuse for the Jewish, pagan and Christian Arabs to resent them, right?
All historical sources suggest that the Quraish initiated hostilities which led to the migration. The legacy of violent prophets--or at least those who fight hard in self-defense like some Indian figures--is common with the exception of Jesus. Again, I mentioned the words historical context, which invokes situations, politics, and other realities of the time which idiots both Muslim and non-Muslim do not understand.
-
Do things that occurred "at the time" justify muzzie terrorism today?
-
Do things that occurred "at the time" justify muzzie terrorism today?
to the moose-limbs it does
-
to the moose-limbs it does
I agree. But I want an answer from Frank Haider.
-
I agree. But I want an answer from Frank Haider.
Frank is over at DU asking for help
-
I doubt that a remedial course on "Life on Earth" is necessary because we do not really care who we offend by questioning common opinions.
I do not envision the Son of God in such a meek pacifistic light. There is a prelude to the carnage that he is going to deliver to the Satanic hordes during the end of days, and you see references to it in Matthew and in his life when he warns people. Jesus Christ is not violent in the sense that we think of today, but he did not take blasphemy or offending God The Father lightly.
Not all Christians reject The Old Testament, and not all Christians see Jesus and The Apostles in the same light.
All historical sources suggest that the Quraish initiated hostilities which led to the migration. The legacy of violent prophets--or at least those who fight hard in self-defense like some Indian figures--is common with the exception of Jesus. Again, I mentioned the words historical context, which invokes situations, politics, and other realities of the time which idiots both Muslim and non-Muslim do not understand.
Give me a break, the Spanish Christians came to Americas and with faith not unlike the Muslims felt thy were doing the Bidding of God and were re-payed with the Gold, slaves and decimated everything that did not follow the Christian belief.
Not so much far back, check out what the Christion missionary's did to destroy that culture and wipe out the census on the number of DNA full blood Hawaiians-- --
It has been a long time since the Christians were the under dog. We Christians have ruled the world for so long that the idea of a challenge by any other faith to invade us is to be laughed at.
Ancient war tactic for War, first invade then distroy the old gods. Insert the new Gods and the next generation will be loyal.
-
Frank is over at DU asking for help
:lmao: :rotf:
-
Do things that occurred "at the time" justify muzzie terrorism today?
No.
Frank is over at DU asking for help
Of course not. If you read our blog, you know that we hate liberals and Obama. We only want to court conservatives because liberalism is a symptom of decay.
Vesta, regardless of the outcome, there was nothing good left of the Aztec and other Mexican civilizations by that point. They had degenerated into human sacrificing superstition. It was their time to go into history; God just used the Spanish to do it. We also know that the peoples of the Pacific were prone to cannibalism and other degenerate rites like the Maori, but I am not sure about the Hawaiian native religion.
-
...and other realities of the time which idiots both Muslim and non-Muslim do not understand.
To what time do you refer?
-
To what time do you refer?
Fanatics think time stood still.
-
Fanatics think time stood still.
What the hell does that mean? You said:
...and other realities of the time which idiots both Muslim and non-Muslim do not understand.
So I repeat: To what time period to you refer? Or are you calling people who don't agree with muzzies idiots? Please be specific.
-
What the hell does that mean? You said:
So I repeat: To what time period to you refer? Or are you calling people who don't agree with muzzies idiots? Please be specific.
I called Muslims who do not understand what happened at the time in its context and how the world is not stuck in 600s idiots. I also question non-Muslims who either say Islam is a religion of peace, or who say Islam is Satanic. Abrahamic religion in general is not about "peace and love" except for perhaps a form of inner stillness and loving God. The concepts are much different than modern peace and love trademarked by hippies.
-
Islam is the worst faith on the planet. The Muslims are disgustingly vile creatures who know nothing but violence because that is what their religion teaches them.
Anyone who says otherwise is either a useful idiot, mentally challenged, or possibly a muzzie himself. Not that the three are mutually exclusive.
-
Islam is the worst faith on the planet. The Muslims are disgustingly vile creatures who know nothing but violence because that is what their religion teaches them.
Anyone who says otherwise is either a useful idiot, mentally challenged, or possibly a muzzie himself. Not that the three are mutually exclusive.
pretty well put, overall.
-
May I suggest a remedial course in the New Testament? You seem to have missed about 99.99% of it. Extreme ignorance of any subject, while fully expected from DUmmies, is not supported on conservative boards.
Frank Hater is from a site that tries to disguise racist hate as news. He will ignore anything in the Bible that doesn't support his hate filled Nazi views.
-
Frank is over at DU asking for help
Correction: Frank is over at Stormfront asking for help.
-
Frank Hater is from a site that tries to disguise racist hate as news. He will ignore anything in the Bible that doesn't support his hate filled Nazi views.
50 bucks says that he's "xtian identity" and has never read the bible - although for some strange reason the KKK and far right is willing to ally with the muzzy jihadies (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/03/the-far-right-jihadis-in-alliance). They call themselves the "Third Positionists" (http://www.publiceye.org/fascist/third_position.html):
The Extreme Right in the U.S. includes White Supremacists, militant antisemites, neofascists, neonazis and an assortment of hate groups. Activists in the Extreme Right have been involved in numerous violent incidents over the last 30 years; however, most have involved guns or bombs. The U.S. Extreme Right shares three ideological affinities with some Islamic clerical fascist movements such as the Taliban and the al Qaeda networks:
- A hatred of Jews who are seen in the traditional antisemitic caricature of running the world through secret conspiracies.
- A hatred of the U.S. government, seen as not just a global bully but also controlled by Jews. U.S. neonazis sometimes refer the administration in Washington, D.C. as the Zionist Occupational Government--ZOG.
- A desire to overthrow existing governments and replace then with monocultural nation states built around the idea of supremacist racial nationalism or supremacist religious nationalism or both mixed together. This ethnonationalist philosophy is sometimes called the "Third Position."
-
He claims to be conservative, but antisemitism seems to emanate more on the main stream left now. I guess that makes hate an equal opportunity employer.
He did warn us that he would anger a lot of us. Like any true troll the first place he was drawn was the religion/faith forum. Best place to start a fight.
When a racist like the gang from Frank's site start supporting islam...its not because they like islam. They are just supporting the only people who are openly advocating hate-and getting away with it.
-
He claims to be conservative, but antisemitism seems to emanate more on the main stream left now. I guess that makes hate an equal opportunity employer.
He did warn us that he would anger a lot of us. Like any true troll the first place he was drawn was the religion/faith forum. Best place to start a fight.
When a racist like the gang from Frank's site start supporting islam...its not because they like islam. They are just supporting the only people who are openly advocating hate-and getting away with it.
Looks like it's another one to place in the IGNORE category.
-
Looks like it's another one to place in the IGNORE category.
No. No. No.
He needs to be called out wherever he posts. Ignoring him just lets him spread racist filth on our good board.
-
No. No. No.
He needs to be called out wherever he posts. Ignoring him just lets him spread racist filth on our good board.
I do believe that racist filth is bannable.
-
No. No. No.
He needs to be called out wherever he posts. Ignoring him just lets him spread racist filth on our good board.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to deal with trolls.
-
No.
Of course not. If you read our blog, you know that we hate liberals and Obama. We only want to court conservatives because liberalism is a symptom of decay.
Vesta, regardless of the outcome, there was nothing good left of the Aztec and other Mexican civilizations by that point. They had degenerated into human sacrificing superstition. It was their time to go into history; God just used the Spanish to do it. We also know that the peoples of the Pacific were prone to cannibalism and other degenerate rites like the Maori, but I am not sure about the Hawaiian native religion.
How do you designate an intire civilization as degraded????
The Spanish had no qualms about burning people alive at the stake, had no problem destroying the arts, history and science that was more sophisticated then their own.
Had there been no GOLD the Spanish would have kept sailing, they used their faith to EXCUSE their dirty deeds. To keep Europe and Spain sending and approving more support as the Spanish treasure ships that made their way home.
What is nothing good left of the Aztec Empire mean, most of the world had gone from cannibalism and human sacrife onto greater things, this was not a down wood falling by European standards but the move up as Europe had done.
By the Way, Europe at that time was not so innocent of these ideas in that time.
Read your history and see what was going on in the rest of the world at that time and tell me that in one way or another the Europeans were more merciful then the so called savage Aztec.
OH a thought, my parents generation saw the same thing happen in Europe, had the Jews all been poor, uneducated and meaningless to the Nazi's, nothing to take from them, no reason to hate, envy or to claim they were subhuman I am sure they would have started on the wealthy Catholic Church.
It was then and still is now the profits that drive one civilization to war against another. Religion has all way been a good excuse to wipe out the so called subhumans to claim their wealth.
Look at it this way you Jerk, in today's world no one spends $1800.+ for an assult weapon to rob homeless shelters.
Why, way back then to spend a Kings Ransom to terrorise others unless there was fame and fortune, slaves, and riches to be had.
Unfortunately today the Muslims wish to take over the world, and they are not going to head out to where there is no potential big time pay off for them. They are trying to get a foot hold in China, and are moving quickly into Australia.
Go read up on Cotten Mather and his son, few people were poor that got caught up in the Salem Trials that did not loose all their land and property to the Church after conviction and death. If Burning at the stake alive is not human sacrifice, you tell me what is.
-
No, I'm not Christian Identity at all.
He claims to be conservative, but antisemitism seems to emanate more on the main stream left now. I guess that makes hate an equal opportunity employer.
He did warn us that he would anger a lot of us. Like any true troll the first place he was drawn was the religion/faith forum. Best place to start a fight.
When a racist like the gang from Frank's site start supporting islam...its not because they like islam. They are just supporting the only people who are openly advocating hate-and getting away with it.
I am morally conservative.
How do you designate an intire civilization as degraded????
The Spanish had no qualms about burning people alive at the stake, had no problem destroying the arts, history and science that was more sophisticated then their own.
Had there been no GOLD the Spanish would have kept sailing, they used their faith to EXCUSE their dirty deeds. To keep Europe and Spain sending and approving more support as the Spanish treasure ships that made their way home.
What is nothing good left of the Aztec Empire mean, most of the world had gone from cannibalism and human sacrife onto greater things, this was not a down wood falling by European standards but the move up as Europe had done.
By the Way, Europe at that time was not so innocent of these ideas in that time.
Read your history and see what was going on in the rest of the world at that time and tell me that in one way or another the Europeans were more merciful then the so called savage Aztec.
OH a thought, my parents generation saw the same thing happen in Europe, had the Jews all been poor, uneducated and meaningless to the Nazi's, nothing to take from them, no reason to hate, envy or to claim they were subhuman I am sure they would have started on the wealthy Catholic Church.
It was then and still is now the profits that drive one civilization to war against another. Religion has all way been a good excuse to wipe out the so called subhumans to claim their wealth.
Look at it this way you Jerk, in today's world no one spends $1800.+ for an assult weapon to rob homeless shelters.
Why, way back then to spend a Kings Ransom to terrorise others unless there was fame and fortune, slaves, and riches to be had.
Unfortunately today the Muslims wish to take over the world, and they are not going to head out to where there is no potential big time pay off for them. They are trying to get a foot hold in China, and are moving quickly into Australia.
Go read up on Cotten Mather and his son, few people were poor that got caught up in the Salem Trials that did not loose all their land and property to the Church after conviction and death. If Burning at the stake alive is not human sacrifice, you tell me what is.
Muslims have lived in China since the beginning of Islam, and rather peacefully until the wave of extremism started swelling in Central Asia. The Aztec civilization was sophisticated, advanced, yeah, but it was in decline and was having problems maintaining itself without horrible brutality towards its neighbors. What caused peoples to give up those practices? In more recent times, introduction of Christianity or Islam ... sometimes Judaism.
-
I am morally conservative.
No you're not because you're a racist idiot. Racism is the height of stupidity not to mention immorality.
-
The stench of a troll is in the air.
-
The problem exists in the want for Islam to be part of the inner-working of government. Once secularization is accepted, religion becomes much more of a personal thing. Life wasn't too great in non secularized Christian states. Whenever religious doctrine is part of national policy you have major problems.
Also secularization leads to more religions being tolerated. This makes it harder for the state to define countries as enemies for political reason, but on religious grounds.
For example, if Iran was secular and not controlled by the Ayatolla, many things would not be shrouded under the veil of religion. They would say, they don't like America because they overthrew Mossadegh, and other international relations issues, rather than because we infidels. I'm speaking more of the inhabitant of the nations, not the nations themselves.
-
This thread is a troll magnet.
-
Well, as we all know, the answer is yes.
Think about this, Islam has a repetitive history.
Nuff said.
-
I know, why are there 8 pages? The answer is yes.
-
I just finished reading this thread and I just have to say that I think people who do this "I'm a good America Muslim" lines are extremely dull and stupid. I'm not American but if you're going to live in America then you must convert to Christianity, if an Arab wants to show Americans how integrated and peaceful he is, then he should start by leaving Islam which goes against values like freedom and democracy. Why should a Christian nation have to work around you people? Do you honestly think that Americans want ugly Mosques (yeah I know the architecture came from Sassanid and Byzantines) in their countries and to have to bow down to your pathetic barbarian religion. Iran is now an Islamic governance and has not won Iran either human rights, freedom, democracy, or the respect of the world.
If you want to progress, then stop being Muslim, period.
-
I just finished reading this thread and I just have to say that I think people who do this "I'm a good America Muslim" lines are extremely dull and stupid. I'm not American but if you're going to live in America then you must convert to Christianity, if an Arab wants to show Americans how integrated and peaceful he is, then he should start by leaving Islam which goes against values like freedom and democracy. Why should a Christian nation have to work around you people? Do you honestly think that Americans want ugly Mosques (yeah I know the architecture came from Sassanid and Byzantines) in their countries and to have to bow down to your pathetic barbarian religion. Iran is now an Islamic governance and has not won Iran either human rights, freedom, democracy, or the respect of the world.
If you want to progress, then stop being Muslim, period.
Oh my, I must say that warrants a high five! :cheersmate:
-
Look at this picture and think about it for awhile. :-)
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2011/08/proof-even-muslims-know-their-religion.html
-
Look at this picture and think about it for awhile. :-)
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2011/08/proof-even-muslims-know-their-religion.html
LOL... epic
-
I just finished reading this thread and I just have to say that I think people who do this "I'm a good America Muslim" lines are extremely dull and stupid. I'm not American but if you're going to live in America then you must convert to Christianity, if an Arab wants to show Americans how integrated and peaceful he is, then he should start by leaving Islam which goes against values like freedom and democracy. Why should a Christian nation have to work around you people? Do you honestly think that Americans want ugly Mosques (yeah I know the architecture came from Sassanid and Byzantines) in their countries and to have to bow down to your pathetic barbarian religion. Iran is now an Islamic governance and has not won Iran either human rights, freedom, democracy, or the respect of the world.
If you want to progress, then stop being Muslim, period.
If we had a deeper foundation in Biblical law that wouldnt be a problem. Look up 2 Chronicles 15:13 if you want to hear my opinion on the mozzie infestation. :whistling:
-
If we had a deeper foundation in Biblical law that wouldnt be a problem. Look up 2 Chronicles 15:13 if you want to hear my opinion on the mozzie infestation. :whistling:
I just looked that passage up. Looks taken out of context.
http://bible.cc/2_chronicles/15-13.htm
I need to see it in context. The Bible does not promote violence so I'm going to guess you are a liberal atheist who wants to make Christians look violent?
-
I just looked that passage up. Looks taken out of context.
http://bible.cc/2_chronicles/15-13.htm
I need to see it in context. The Bible does not promote violence so I'm going to guess you are a liberal atheist who wants to make Christians look violent?
Oh, the bible did promote violence. However, the new testament, and Jesus's new covenant with His, turned away from violence. The religion changed. That's something the leftists who point out the violence in the of when trying to paint Christians as violent forget.
-
Oh, the bible did promote violence. However, the new testament, and Jesus's new covenant with His, turned away from violence. The religion changed. That's something the leftists who point out the violence in the of when trying to paint Christians as violent forget.
Makes sense.
-
I'm an atheist, so I offer some referrence material...
http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/
-
If we had a deeper foundation in Biblical law that wouldnt be a problem. Look up 2 Chronicles 15:13 if you want to hear my opinion on the mozzie infestation. :whistling:
If the US had a deeper knowledge of the Bible, many things would not be a problem...including people that quote passages of history detailing the rulings of one ancient human king as though they were Biblical law. :rofl:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. :-) O-)
-
If the US had a deeper knowledge of the Bible, many things would not be a problem...including people that quote passages of history detailing the rulings of one ancient human king as though they were Biblical law. :rofl:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. :-) O-)
Which passage is that? "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy." is the quote from who?
-
I just looked that passage up. Looks taken out of context.
http://bible.cc/2_chronicles/15-13.htm
I need to see it in context.
Im sorry for not supplying the entire chapter with footnotes and annotations for you. You have a bible, read the context yourself.
I'm going to guess you are a liberal atheist who wants to make Christians look violent?
Cute. And based on this next quote Im going to guess you are a wishy-washy Joel Olsteen style "christian".
The Bible does not promote violence so
I hate to break it to you but the bible is not politically correct. It does not promote cultural Marxism or pacifism. Sometimes God calls for people to die, most people dont have a problem when it is applied to murder so why do they have a problem when it is applied to other crimes?
Simple, because they are people of the world who are too afraid of offending people with their faith. They dont get their morality from the bible but from the world. People of the world like you will always reject the word of God(John 15:19) and will always hate the people preaching it.
1 John 2:15-16
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world."
Revelation 3:15
“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
Think about those verses for a bit.
-
Im sorry for not supplying the entire chapter with footnotes and annotations for you. You have a bible, read the context yourself.
Cute. And based on this next quote Im going to guess you are a wishy-washy Joel Olsteen style "christian".
I hate to break it to you but the bible is not politically correct. It does not promote cultural Marxism or pacifism. Sometimes God calls for people to die, most people dont have a problem when it is applied to murder so why do they have a problem when it is applied to other crimes?
Simple, because they are people of the world who are too afraid of offending people with their faith. They dont get their morality from the bible but from the world. People of the world like you will always reject the word of God(John 15:19) and will always hate the people preaching it.
1 John 2:15-16
"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world."
Revelation 3:15
“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
Think about those verses for a bit.
You are cherry-picking pretty heavily there, Gab. Maybe you should spend a little time getting to know the folks around here before you try to impress anyone with your "extensive" knowledge...or whatever you call that. ::)
-
Which passage is that? "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy." is the quote from who?
That is from Matthew, spoken by Christ, part of the Sermon on the Mount.
-
You have a bible, read the context yourself.
Well actually I dont.
-
Well actually I dont.
Resources...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm
http://www.mystudybible.com/
http://www.lifeway.com/Product/text-bible-nasb-P001011792
Gab is somewhat correct in saying that the Bible endorsed violence, he is just completely incorrect in thereby suggesting that Christianity has any basis for endorsing violence. ::) ::) ::) He seems to take the typical liberal stance that today's Christians are to blame for all the historical acts recorded in the Bible (from several thousand years ago). I may be wrong, but he has the scent of that type of bigotry.
-
Christianity isn't without it's radical forms and factions. However, I think that most of Christianity has outgrown the radical Christianity that used to be rampant. (I still consider myself a Christian)
It is VERY important to keep in mind that the Christian Renaissance happened when the Roman Catholic Church could no loner keep the Bible out of the hands of the average person. Once people found out that Jesus Christ said to dust off your feet and leave if somebody doesn't want to become a Christian, the Roman Catholic Inquisition lost its supposed authority from God to kill people for not bowing to the Pope of Rome.
But now lets look at Islam. I am not an historian, but I have heard that the "Holy" Prophet Mohammad went 2 times to Mecca in peace to start Islam, but got thrown out on his ear. He then went over to Medina and camped out where he robbed and pillaged passing caravans in order to feed his growing band of bandits. Then he went to Mecca for the 3rd time with a small army and killed everybody who wouldn't do religion his way, and the Religion of Islam as been spread by the sword ever since. This officially makes Islam the OPPOSITE of Christianity on the subject of how to get people to join it.
So the Koran has parts which talk about making friends with the non-believers and coming in peace, which is what Mohamed tried to do first, and the Koran has parts which talk about killing those who will not convert, which is what worked in the end for Mohamed. Question: Wouldn't Mohammad's later "revelations" superseded his previous "revelations"?
People can talk about the bad things the "Christian Church" has done, but if they read the Bible, they will find out that those bad things were done outside of the authority of God and the Bible, and the people who did these things were NOT following Jesus Christ's example. But when the followers of Islam kill people for being "infidels", they ARE following the Koran and Mohamed.
Jesus Christ said in Luke Chapter 6
"43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes."
Christianity is a good tree, and its good fruit became manifest when the Holy Scriptures were no longer hidden from people. But Islam is a corrupt tree, started in blood. There is no Renaissance to be forth coming from Islam like Christianity had, because their "Holy" Book is already known to them. The lesson taught by Islam's Mohammad, is that you try to make nice nice with people to get them to convert, and if they don't you lay in wait until you gather enough strength to FORCE them to convert, then kill everybody who won't. The only way for Islam to stop being a religion based on murder and conquest, is for those who follow Islam to reject Mohamed, but if they reject Mohammad, Islam will be no more.
Sorry, Islam is an Evil and Corrupt Tree, there is no redemption for it as a religion. Every Muslim is a threat, because they could wake up on any given day and decide that they have been patient long enough with the "Infidels", like Mohammad was, and it is now time to start spilling blood, like Mohammad did. Those who are part of Islam will have to leave it in order to redeem themselves.
There is a reason why we are not having problems with Buddhists, it is because Buddhism isn't in conflict with the Freedom that, according to the Declaration of Independence, every Government is DUTY Bound to Protect. It is impossible to actually control what people want to believe, but when George Bush told the often repeated lie that Islam is a religion of peace, he help endanger us by putting people of guard from the threat that Islam is. There is a reason why Islam has a campaign to convince people that it is a religion of peace, while Christianity and Buddhism do not. It is because nobody would come to that conclusion by observation.
I don't think we should be any more tolerant of Islam than we would have been of NAZI strongholds in this country during World War 2. Since the Islam threat will continue for as long as the Religion does, the war Islam always wages will never end for as long as the Religion exists, therefore, Strongholds such as Mosques which are considered Holy ground that the Government cannot go into and investigate, from which Islamists can launch attacks, cannot be allowed.
Since Islam and Suria Law ARE in conflict with the Natural Law and its Freedom which the united States are based on, AND Islam causes trouble EVERYWHERE it goes and gathers enough numbers, I think that Islam can be pursued legally under the RICO Act -> The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act.
We either believe in the Individual's Right to Freedom of Conscience that the Founders tried so hard to Protect when they wrote the Constitution, and are willing to defend this Freedom from organized threats against it like Islam, or we do not believe in this RIGHT.
-
I need to clarify something is paragraph 6 2nd sentence in my previous post. If I could edit it, it would say:
But Islam is a corrupt tree, founded in murdering people who exercise their God given Right to choose God or not.
This is another example of how Islam is the opposite of Christianity.
In Christianity, the follower of Christ is willing to lay down THEIR OWN life in an act of love, like Christ did.
John 15:13
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
In the united States Military, this principal makes us strong as people do courageous things in order to protect their fellow soldiers.
In Islam, the believer is willing to lay down SOMEBODY ELSE'S LIFE, like Mohammad did, in order to supposedly gain points with God. This ultimate teaching of selfishness makes the armies of Islam weak as they will scatter to save their own life and leave their friends to die when the going gets tough.
-
Gab is somewhat correct in saying that the Bible endorsed violence, he is just completely incorrect in thereby suggesting that Christianity has any basis for endorsing violence. ::) ::) ::) He seems to take the typical liberal stance that today's Christians are to blame for all the historical acts recorded in the Bible (from several thousand years ago). I may be wrong, but he has the scent of that type of bigotry.
IIRC the genocidal passages in the Bible always named specific tribes/nations. There has never been a general incitement to ethnic cleansing. There are general laws governing conduct in war and by modern standards they'd be seen as fairly liberal, all things considered.