International homicide rates, etc.

[Bainsbane]

Sounds like the shoe fits in your case. You have been informed previously, quoting questionable sources like wikipedia is a sure fire indication of low intelligence. English must not be your first language.

Thanks for confirming you're completely incapable of advancing a substantive argument of any kind.  With each post you both confirm who the low information voters are.

[txradioguy]

MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

And I'm sure you have a link somewhere that backs this up?

I mean after all you had to have learned how to cite your sources somewhere along the way to allegedly getting your PhD. right?

[sybilll]

Find a more reliable source and post it then.

If you really want it, I could give you an entire page of links to statistics which evidence that gun-free zones don't work, and the outcomes of gun banning are equally less successful.  But, I have another honest question. I live in a large metropolitan city that is riddled with gang related gun crimes and murders. Do any of you really think a lawless gang member will abide by any laws requiring background checks?  You liberals have pushed me to explore getting training to get a concealed carry permit, which I will do by the book, but if I were inclined, I could go to the south side of my city and procure an illegal gun within 15 minutes. How do you stop that?

[txradioguy]

You people love to attack sources but rarely have any of your own.

Pot..ths is kettle...you're black.

Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.

How'd that exit poll strategy work for you in 2004?

How about we look at the exit poll results from 2010?

 

Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.

 

Proof?

Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.

 

Which means what?  That they'll lie and fudge data to advance a political agenda?  That they put ideology over the results of their research?

Polls show Republicans, in general, lack basic knowledge of the most basic science.

Link?

The problem is you only believe what suits your preconceived ideas and refuse to consider ant other information.

Projection.

Wikipedia compiles information and says where their data come from. Those charts give the original sources.  You can easily check them out yourselves.  The lazy I don't like your source comment shows you have nothing to contribute.

When you wre getting your alleged PhD. would your professors have let you cite WikiPedia in your doctoral thesis as a credible source?  What about in your masters thesis?

[txradioguy]

Funny you should mention the hood because some of the states with the highest homicide rates are in the South.
It's unfortunate you're more concerned with stereotype than facts.  

Link?

I'm calling bullshit on this since Chicago is losing more people every month than we are losing soldiers in Afghanistan.

[Lacarnut]

MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

That is what conservatives want. Everyone paying less taxes including the rich so that they will invest and start a new business resulting in more hiring. You are just too stupid or partisan to understand how the economy works.

The Obama economy is a complete failure with the rich taking their money offshore for fear that the government will steal it after they have already paid taxes on it. Why should they invest when Obama and Reid want to tax, tax and tax. These retards in DC do not understand that principal. FYI, many, many millionaires have left France. Same as here. You are probably not old enough to remember another tax that fell flat on it's face, and that was the luxury tax on expensive cars, boats and jewelry. The Feds took in less than half of the estimated revenues it projected and almost killed the boat builders in the northeast. Do you remember that? Dummie like you that adore your master Obama have not even seen the effects of Obamacare which will result in some groups paying 20 to 50% more on insurance premiums. Conclusion, I do not give a rat's ass what happening in MN. This dumb shit Obama and fools like you do not understand the downward spiral economic and social results his actions will place on this country. Yeah, you do sound like a low IQ Obama voter.  

[txradioguy]

Find a more reliable source and post it then.

Fine...you asked for it.

In July 2012, The Guardian compiled a spreadsheet containing data on the number of guns per 100 people and the homicide by firearm rate for most countries around the world. However, both pieces of data were not available for each country. Eliminating countries with incomplete data sets leaves us with 107 countries to analyze. Here are the results:

You honestly thing Gun Free Zones work,

Here's three examples of why you're full of crap.

Pearl, MS

Aurora, CO

Newton, CT


Shall I continue?

[formerlurker]

MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class. 

I had no idea that governors had so much power.   Really, who knew?

Looking at Pawlenty's response to dismal Moody bond ratings (you know how much they love those one time revenue fixes to balance budget), I see the LEGISLATURE had no other choice.

That said, gutting services/education is what governors do.  See the tenure of Deval Patrick if you require further information.     

[formerlurker]

I will admit I didn't read much of this thread as anyone who truly brings Wikipedia as a source to an OP really doesn't deserve much of anyone's time.   That said, I did a google search that took all of 3 seconds to get this link:

Annual homicides from firearms

According to the U.N. figures, the U.S. had 9,146 homicides by firearm in 2009. That year, Colombia and Venezuela both exceeded the U.S. total, with 12,808 and 11,115 firearm deaths, respectively. Three other nations topped the U.S. amount in the most recent year for which data is available: Brazil (34,678 in 2008), Mexico (11,309 in 2010) and Thailand (20,032 in 2000).

So the U.S. ranks high in this category, but not first. Even using the higher U.S. homicide figure of 11,493 in 2010 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (cited here), the U.S. still doesn’t rank first internationally.

Annual homicide rate for firearms

Because the U.S. is so big, it's better to compare the frequency of firearm homicides per capita, usually expressed as firearm homicides per 100,000 in national population.

According to the U.N., the U.S. had 3.0 firearm homicides per 100,000 in population in 2009. But there were 14 other nations that had higher rates in 2009, primarily in Latin America and the Caribbean: Honduras (57.6), Jamaica (47.2), St. Kitts and Nevis (44.4), Venezuela (39.0), Guatemala (38.5), Colombia (28.1), Trinidad & Tobago (27.3), Panama (19.3), Dominican Republic (16.9), Bahamas (15.4), Belize (15.4), Mexico (7.9), Paraguay (7.3) and Nicaragua (5.9). Three other nations had higher rates in 2008: El Salvador (39.9), Brazil (18.1) and Ecuador (12.7).

So the U.S. doesn’t rank no. 1 when firearm homicides are adjusted for population.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/

Which pulls information from the UN http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


Murder by state/weapon (2010) - I don't know, seeing a lot of blue here:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls

[txradioguy]

I expect her to call us stupid uneducated Republicans for refuting her Wikipedia "facts".

[Big Dog]

Find a more reliable source and post it then.

Ms. PhD,

Would you accept wikipedia as a source on an undergrad's paper? Would you accept wikipedia as a source for any serious purpose (business, government, or academic)?

You're sitting at the grownup table now, that DU bullshit won't fly here.

[miskie]

BB -

Alright, I'll play along.

The point of your post is to highlight the 'murderous' United States and its unrestricted 2nd amendment advocates, right ? Why don't you take a moment and look online and find out where the most murders are happening per capita in the United States.

-What you'll find is that nearly all of them are happening in 'Blue' cities in 'blue' states. Most of which already have tight gun control laws.

At which point you'll say something to the effect of "We need tighter gun regulation to stop the flow of guns from 'Red States' with lax gun laws into urban centers", right ?

Then Ill say this -

"What is so wrong with the education and social systems in blue states that the citizens don't understand firearm safety, and the ramifications of murder ? Are you suggesting that Democrats lack basic self-restraint, are unable to control themselves, and are far more likely to react with deadly force than the 2nd Amendment supporting 'rednecks' in conservative states and cities ? - That even with some of the toughest gun laws in the country, many blue cities are incapable of educating their citizens that gun violence is wrong ?

What absolutely classist - and dare I say RACIST - views you have. Most of the population in the most violent cities in America are minorities - and to suggest they are incapable of self-control - that they are incapable of following laws - that they are incapable of understanding the value of life - is deplorable. Shame on you."    

-Have a nice day.

[JohnnyReb]

I will admit I didn't read much of this thread as anyone who truly brings Wikipedia as a source to an OP really doesn't deserve much of anyone's time.   That said, I did a google search that took all of 3 seconds to get this link:


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/23/facebook-posts/the-us-is-no-in-gun-violence-is-it/

Which pulls information from the UN http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


Murder by state/weapon (2010) - I don't know, seeing a lot of blue here:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls

I did the addition in my head so I may be off a few.....10 or less....but I see hands, fist, feet, etc. out number riffles almost  2 to 1....
....and no mention of whether the riffles were assault riffles or not.
Riffles............................ 358

Hands, fist, feet. etc.........665

Out law hands, feet, fist, etc first then we'll talk about riffles.

I'm thinking Blue Commiefornia and red Texas have a large population of undocumented killers.

[Vagabond]

MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

I got two words for you DUmbass......Martin O'Malley.  That Ass got into the Governor house claiming he "Would do for all Maryland schools what he had done for Baltimore's schools" as if it were some great thing.  In fact, test scores and student attendance in Baltimore got worse while he was there, but the liberal media never got around to mentioning that.  He balanced the state budget, not through judicious pruning, but by pushing the teacher's pensions on to the counties balance sheets and raising state taxes.  He refused to make cuts even when shown there was massive fraud going on in some programs.  Now, the education system falters, no jobs are effetively being created, and he just chased more manufacturing out of state.  This is a Democrat angling to be president.  Obama is a terrible president, butt the country is done if this idiot ever gets in the oval office.

[Undies]

You like statistics?  I like history.  

Here's a history lesson:

DUmbasses like you and your friends worship at the feet of failure.  Nothing about your anti-humanity ideology has an ounce of value.

Take socialism for example.  It has three categories:

1.  Already failed

2.  In the process of failing

3.  Future failure

Yet you DUmbasses keep pushing it.  Why?  Because it is anti-humanity and you little goons hate humanity.

You don't give a shit about "gun control".  What you and your fellow idiots care about is taking guns out of the hands of people in order to make it easier to force people to worship at the feet of failure -- right along with you.  It isn't anymore complicated than that.  You love misery for others because you hate humanity.

[docstew]

I posted information.  You want to deny it because you don't like what you see.  I don't like it either.  The solution is to try to change the situation rather than denying reality.  The number one reason the US has such a high homicide rate is gun proliferation.  It is possible to do something about that while still protecting 2nd amendment rights.  Tell your representatives to quit rolling over for the gun lobby and put human life above profits by backing some common sense measures designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. 

You posted infromation from wikipedia. Here's a hint when forming your argument (feel free to take this back to DU), if it's not acceptable reference material for a college course (and wikipedia isn't), then don't use it.

[Happy Fun Ball]

[USA4ME]

Look at exit polls from 2008 and 2012.  Those with advanced degrees overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  Over 90% of scientists are Democrats.

Which means nothing.  I know several people with PhD's who barely know how to tie their own shoes.  They have no concept of the real world and how things happen other than what they're read in a book or observed from their office on campus.  They don't run companies, they don't have to meet a payroll, they don't have to deal with the public.  Advanced degrees has not provided them business smarts.

This notion you have, and not only you but all libs, that you're smarter than conservatives is just the biggest falsehood you lie to yourselves about.  We're smarter than you, we make more money than you, we're extremely resourceful, and most important we're going to do whatever we want to do and there's nothing you can do about it.  We'll find ways to skirt around any gov't regulation that should have never been there in the first place.  We find ways to beat the system.  We'll exploit loopholes in order to do what needs to be done.  Good gracious, I'm living evidence of this.  I do this kind of stuff everyday.  You have to.  If I didn't it'd take forever to get things done.  I don't have that kind of time and I certainly don't see the point of wading through all the nonsense when I can just go through the back door and get the same results.

For whatever reason, these types of things completely escapes the political left.

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Save Lives: Don't Ban Guns, Ban Democrats

[USA4ME]

If I wanted to mole, I wouldn't have used my DU name.  I wanted to confront you directly, so I did.  As. For asking nicely, before I came you had done nothing but insult me and then increased 100 fold the level of vulgarity once I posted.  Why you expect someone to be nice to you when you behave like degenerates is astounding. You justify abusing people because they exercise their democratic rights to free speech and vote differently from you?  It doesn't appear to me that most of you have any respect for democracy, the founding principles of our nation, and even yourselves.  Nothing I have said approaches the crass and vulgar comments you have directed at me.

Do I expect someone to act nicely when they come onto private property?  Yeah, I do.  Especially if they're requesting we do something for them, like take down their pic, etc...

This is another life lesson for you.  Let's say you own a piece of property and you want to have it rezoned.  You don't bust into the door at the Planning Dept declaring how much smarter you think you are and how they're all idiots.  You don't appeal to them by saying they should rezone your property if they were descent, and if they don't then that's a poor reflection on them and they should just do what you ask.  Just try it if you don't believe me.  They'll toss you out on your ear.  You see, they control the situation.

There's a proper way to go about having property rezoned, just like there's a proper way for you to behave here, that is if you wanted your request to be honored.  Based upon how you've conducted yourself, the only reasonable conclusion I can make is you weren't serious about desiring to have your pic removed.

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[Zathras]

Are you telling me that you didn't even know than DC doesn't get a vote in the House or Senate?

Ummm, please reread what I posted DUmbass. Nowhere in my post did I write that I LIVED in DC. I wrote that my representatives WERE IN DC. You really are dumber than a bag of rocks, you know that?

[Zathras]

MN Education.  Republican Gov Tim Pawlenty single handed destroyed MN's education rankings.  For the last year he determined the state budget entirely by himself, but long before then he had decimated education.  He took millions from the schools as part of a shell game to pretend he had balanced the budget.  The state is gradually paying back the money Pawlenty took.  Lesson:  Republican governor's who have an eye on the Presidency are terrible.  He treated the state as a pawn in his game to please the national GOP, and the only way thar us possible is to screw over Americans.  He ruined education and made it so that the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage in taxes than the middle class.  

If you want to see what happens when you DUmbasses are in charge of education (or an entire state for that matter) I have one word for you....California.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Interesting since so many here have been talking about me.  

People don't go to a circus to have a dialog with the clowns, just to laugh at their buffoonery.

[txradioguy]

People don't go to a circus to have a dialog with the clowns, just to laugh at their buffoonery.

OFT

[Zathras]

Thanks for confirming you're completely incapable of advancing a substantive argument of any kind.  With each post you both confirm who the low information voters are.

Yeah, the low info voters are people like you who sold their votes for "Bread & Circuses" provided by The Empty Suit and his minions. With every post you are showing that you don't have a clue and are one of those low info voters that fell for the lies and false promises of The Empty Suit.