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Offline bijou

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Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« on: March 17, 2009, 01:13:46 PM »
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Did you know that Joel Osteen is kicking it old school now?  And by old school, I mean Old Testament.  Straight outta Hebron!

The new-agey motivational speaker preacher at Lakewood Church took a bizarrely old-fashioned approach recently when he advised his congregation against eating both pork and seafood, saying that "...for our health's sake, we have to be willing to make some changes."

He further explained his newfound nutritional path to salvation with deeply theological phrases like "back in the Bible days" and "this is kinda gross" before launching into a detailed diatribe about the inherent filth and evil associated with porcine digestive tracts.

He appealed to his followers, "I know some of you love pork chops.  You love ham and cheese sandwiches.  I grew up on all that.  I love...bacon."  (The marked pause makes me think Joel doesn't really love bacon.)  But that they should follow the example set by his family -- who now eats turkey bacon -- and give up pork "to honor God." ...

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I can't see that being popular with an American congregation.
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Offline Sam Adams

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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 06:24:35 AM »
On the other hand, his wife is cute.
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2009, 06:30:50 AM »
Quote from: Sam Adams on March 18, 2009, 06:24:35 AM
On the other hand, his wife is cute.
Unless you work for an airline.
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 11:32:32 AM »
Seems to be another get-rich-blowhard.   :whatever:

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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 09:23:33 PM »
Quote from: lug-nut on March 18, 2009, 06:30:50 AM
Unless you work for an airline.

I...uh....what?
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 03:31:49 AM »
Quote from: dutch508 on March 24, 2009, 09:23:33 PM
I...uh....what?
Mrs Osteen had something of a dispute with a flight attendant, not sure how it ended (it may still be in court)
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Offline Sam Adams

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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 04:22:39 AM »
Quote from: bijou on March 25, 2009, 03:31:49 AM
Mrs Osteen had something of a dispute with a flight attendant, not sure how it ended (it may still be in court)

I think the flight attendant lost, though I could be wrong.
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 07:09:39 AM »
well ... I will not be giving up pork (the only meat for TRUE barbecue....... )

just to let everyone know, i am a POP ... (pal of pork) and i WILL NOT give it up ... :D


i have just judged my first BBQ event for the South Carolina Barbecue Association and loved every minute of it ... (already scheduled for my next event on 4 April )
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2009, 12:46:37 AM »
Quote from: TandT on March 25, 2009, 07:09:39 AM
well ... I will not be giving up pork (the only meat for TRUE barbecue....... )

just to let everyone know, i am a POP ... (pal of pork) and i WILL NOT give it up ... :D


i have just judged my first BBQ event for the South Carolina Barbecue Association and loved every minute of it ... (already scheduled for my next event on 4 April )

Do you like Maurice's in Columbia? It's good.
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Offline RobJohnson

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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2009, 01:46:08 AM »
Fishers of men can't eat fish???
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2009, 05:28:37 AM »
Quote from: RobJohnson on March 26, 2009, 01:46:08 AM
Fishers of men can't eat fish???


Some fish is kosher. In order to qualify, it must have both fins and scales. Shellfish is out; halibut and bass are in. Actually, Jesus declared all foods ceremonially clean, so the Old Testament dietary laws regarding pork, etc., no longer apply.

The larger question, though, is whether popular preachers like Osteen will ever preach from the Bible, instead of spewing nonsense. Don't hold your breath.
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2009, 02:40:51 PM »
Quote from: TandT on March 25, 2009, 07:09:39 AM
well ... I will not be giving up pork (the only meat for TRUE barbecue....... )

just to let everyone know, i am a POP ... (pal of pork) and i WILL NOT give it up ... :D


i have just judged my first BBQ event for the South Carolina Barbecue Association and loved every minute of it ... (already scheduled for my next event on 4 April )

yes i do ... but, i enjoy it more when i harvest it off MY smoker :D
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2009, 01:44:42 AM »
I hope you remembered to eat red meat on Good Friday!
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2009, 09:16:26 AM »
Quote from: Sam Adams on April 18, 2009, 01:44:42 AM
I hope you remembered to eat red meat on Good Friday!

You are really enjoying your anti-Catholic kick aren't you  :p

Fasting has a well established tradition in the church.  Origen, and early Christian theologian, wrote about how Christian fast on the 4th and 6th day of the week (Wed. and Fri), and the Lenten fast has very early origins as well.  Mind you, the Early Church had a stricter interpretation of the Lenten fast, as well as the Weekly fast, than the modern Catholic Church, but the changes in the Catholic church seem to mostly be more recent.  The Orthodox church still practices strict weekly fast, and a strict Lenten fast.  Red meat on Good Friday is absolutely not allowed ;)

Mind you, regarding one of the earlier threads, Orthodox Christians do not believe that fasting will "earn" them salvations, but rather that it is a good spiritual practice.  Fasting periods should be a time to focus on fasting from iniquity and the prescribed foods, in order to teach the body not to be ruled by its passions, even its passions for food, and a time to focus on alms giving and prayer.   
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Re: Depart From Me! I Never Knew You, Eaters of Bacon
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2009, 10:20:41 AM »
Quote from: Celtic Rose on April 18, 2009, 09:16:26 AM
You are really enjoying your anti-Catholic kick aren't you  :p

Fasting has a well established tradition in the church.  Origen, and early Christian theologian, wrote about how Christian fast on the 4th and 6th day of the week (Wed. and Fri), and the Lenten fast has very early origins as well.  Mind you, the Early Church had a stricter interpretation of the Lenten fast, as well as the Weekly fast, than the modern Catholic Church, but the changes in the Catholic church seem to mostly be more recent.  The Orthodox church still practices strict weekly fast, and a strict Lenten fast.  Red meat on Good Friday is absolutely not allowed ;)

Mind you, regarding one of the earlier threads, Orthodox Christians do not believe that fasting will "earn" them salvations, but rather that it is a good spiritual practice.  Fasting periods should be a time to focus on fasting from iniquity and the prescribed foods, in order to teach the body not to be ruled by its passions, even its passions for food, and a time to focus on alms giving and prayer.   

LOL. I was just trying to be funny when I wrote that. It was just my sense of humor breaking out. Thanks for not being offended.

I agree that fasting is a good idea.

The problem comes in when fasting on certain days becomes a tradition or is mandated by some churchly authority. I admit that fasting on certain days is a very old tradition, but it's still just a tradition. It's not something God commanded in His word. Fasting? Yes. On certain days of the year? Er...Not so much. Some of the first Protestants deliberately ate sausages at Lent, just to show they were not under the pope's authority. I was actually thinking of them when I posted that post.

There's also the problem of certain superstitious beliefs attached to fasting, but you addressed that already.

Again, thanks for not taking that post too seriously. H5 for being a good sport.
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