do men, who do not believe in white male privilege/entitlement oppose affirmativ

[zeitgeist]

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seabeyond (81,772 posts)

do men, who do not believe in white male privilege/entitlement oppose affirmative action?
 i ask this because last night my teenage son came to me telling me about the NFL discussing no african american was hired as a coach this year. that it is wrong. they need to hire black coaches every year to get a balance or something.
 he was telling me in his view, that if no black coach was as capable as a white, that they should not have to hire a black coach.
he said they are for the win, for the money and they would naturally hire the best person for the job. that it was not about racism.
 i had to explain to him, again, about privilege and entitlement. that men who are not racist are still raised in a culture of privilege and entitlement and that they do not always recognize they are denying blacks jobs. but, through those two conditionings, they automatically go to the white person. and that is why we have affirmative action.
i gave him examples and one was a study done on names written on applications. white sounding names got call backs over 50% of black sounding names even when a black sounding name was more qualified.
 so, this has me thinking. if you do not believe in privilege and entitlement, i would think you would have to oppose affirmative action.

Is it just me or does anyone else see this when they see seabeyond?



The denture adhesive primitive apparently is a fan of  e.e.cummings when it comes to capitalization.

All kidding aside, this is a well populated campfire.  I just grabbed a handful of stupid and rowed back over, enjoy.

Romulox (22,304 posts)
6. How does the OP explain that about 70% of NFL players are black? Racism in coaching, merit on the
field?

Response to Romulox (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:28 AM

 seabeyond (81,772 posts)

9. big difference between the front office jobs and head coach, and the players on the field.
that would be like looking at a corporation and saying, but look at all the employees on the lower tier that is of minority. forget all the management, upper management and owners are white males.
and that would be 65% and that includes mixed race. i assume that a drop of black blood makes one black and not white. saying, it seems if it is a biracial person they are catagorized as black when they have equal white in them. so i think i will step back from the 65%.
 

Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:32 AM

 Romulox (22,304 posts)

15. "Big difference" doesn't explain why the players are selected for merit, but coaches aren't.
WHY is there a "big difference"? If you think racism is the reason, I think an explanation of how and why is in order.
 

Response to Romulox (Reply #15)
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:39 AM
 seabeyond (81,772 posts)
20. as i said, i think that there is a conscious and unconscious belief that white male own those

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positions of power and authority out of entitlement that is more subconscious than conscious.
hence the need for affirmative action

Response to seabeyond (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:46 AM

 Romulox (22,304 posts)

22. When you phrase it like that, I actually agree.
Good point.

Response to seabeyond (Reply #20)
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 11:54 AM
 Travis_0004 (739 posts)

26. So if you support affirmite action, should there be less black players?
It looks like White people are underrepresented in football, probably basketball (although I'll admit, overrepresented in hockey). Should affirmative action require more white people to be hired?
I'm going to stand by my previous comment, and say I want the best person for the job. If that means 100% black people, I'm fine with it. If it means 100% white people, I'm fine with it.

Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #26)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 12:27 PM

 seabeyond (81,772 posts)

34. it is with numbers. times. passes. scores. those are clear black and white number to the best
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player, firstly. while coach and front office is qualitative/subjective. shoot off a gun for a race and the person at the end of the race with best time, has nothing subjective in the win.
secondly, that thinking totally ignores a history of an oppressed group vs a non oppressed or oppressive group.
your argument does not stand.

[chitownchica]

She really is a stupid old git isn't she? Or at least she plays the  part well.
I feel sorry for her kid. Hopefully he knows his mom is a loon and sees past it.

[JohnnyReb]

So, how many rednecks has the NAACP hired?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Rich, white men sitting in easy chairs, smoking cigars watching the black men work the field to make them money.

How can that NOT be racist?

 

[franksolich]

One wonders if seabeyond drinks the same water as our own dear vesta.

[zeitgeist]

So, how many rednecks has the NAACP hired?

Actually with Black Republican History month coming right up prehaps this is as good a time as any to post this short quiz, please note number 5:


http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/DYK-HistoryTest

HistoryTest


BLACK POLITICAL HISTORY: THE UNTOLD STORY
 
 
 
1. What Party was founded as the anti-slavery Party and fought to free blacks from slavery?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
2. What was the Party of Abraham Lincoln who signed the emancipation proclamation that resulted in the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
3. What Party passed the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U. S. Constitution granting blacks freedom, citizenship, and the right to vote?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
4. What Party passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875 granting blacks protection from the Black Codes and prohibiting racial discrimination in public accommodations, and was the Party of most blacks prior to the 1960’s, including Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Booker T. Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
5. What was the Party of the founding fathers of the NAACP?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
6. What was the Party of President Dwight Eisenhower who sent U.S. troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958, and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ]  b. Republican Party
 
 
 
7.   What Party, by the greatest percentage, passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1950’s and 1960’s?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
8. What was the Party of President Richard Nixon who instituted the first Affirmative Action program in 1969 with the Philadelphia Plan that established goals and timetables?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
9. What is the Party of President George W. Bush who appointed more blacks to high-level positions than any president in history and who spent record money education, job training and health care to help black Americans prosper?
 
            [ ] a. Democratic Party
 
            [ ] b. Republican Party
 
 
 
10. What Party fought to keep blacks in slavery and was the Party of the Ku Klux Klan?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
11. What Party from 1870 to 1930 used fraud, whippings, lynching, murder, intimidation, and mutilation to get the black vote, and passed the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws which legalized racial discrimination and denied blacks their rights as citizens?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
12. What was the Party of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and President Harry Truman who rejected anti-lynching laws and efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
13. What was the Party of President Lyndon Johnson, who called Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “that [N-word] preacher” because he opposed the Viet Nam War; and President John F. Kennedy who voted against the 1957 Civil Rights law as a Senator, then as president opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. after becoming president and the FBI investigate Dr. King on suspicion of being a communist?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
14. What is the Party of the late Senators Robert Byrd who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, Ernest “Fritz” Hollings who hoisted the Confederate flag over the state capitol in South Carolina while governor, and Ted Kennedy who called black judicial nominees “Neanderthals” while blocking their appointments?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
15. What was the Party of President Bill Clinton who failed to fight the terrorists after the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, sent troops to war in Bosnia and Kosovo without Congressional approval, vetoed the Welfare Reform law twice before signing it, and refused to comply with a court order to have shipping companies develop an Affirmative Action Plan?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
16. What is the Party of Vice President Al Gore whose father voted against the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960’s, and who lost the 2000 election as confirmed by a second recount of Florida votes by the “Miami Herald” and a consortium of major news organizations and the ruling by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission that blacks were not denied the right to vote?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party
 
 
 
17. What Party is against school vouchers, against school prayers, and takes the black vote for granted without ever acknowledging their racist past or apologizing for trying to expand slavery, lynching blacks and passing the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws that caused great harm to blacks?
 
            [ ] a. Republican Party
 
            [ ] b. Democratic Party



NOTE: All answers are "b."

 

[txradioguy]

I don't buy into critical race theory (white privilege) and I oppose affirmative action.

Because affirmative action has done more to hurt minorities than just about anything the Liberals have ever dreamed up.