I'll be honest: I'm increasingly of the opinion that Proglodytes ought to abort their offspring as often as possible.
I can mourn the unborn who have been lost but if it keep the Proglodyte hordes in check I'm okay with it.
boston bean (29,714 posts)
after 300 years a woman wins a parties nomination and loses the EC but wins the popular vote
and our lesson is that we need to be more open to anti choice candidates in our party?
That it is ok to support them over pro choice dems in primaries?
WTeverlovity****?!
Orsino (34,659 posts)
1. We don't have the luxury of money-enforced lock-step.
Dems have to work a larger tent in order to win majorities.
all american girl (1,493 posts)
48. So, can I ask what rights are willing to give up?
And I mean rights that personally affect you
If you can't make it through life without destroying your offspring -- you shouldn't.
ismnotwasm (31,724 posts)
5. Social justice issues and/or women's rights are NOT negotiable
I think the fact that there are anti-choice women perhaps confuses people? I'm not getting it.
LisaM (19,917 posts)
6. Yes, this is beginning to bother me more and more.
We were gaslighted into not being able to joyfully celebrate having a woman candidate. I think it happened a little in 2008 too (talk about a rigged primary - the DNC just flat out didn't count two states the woman candidate won in the primaries because they dared move them to a more relevant date).
Now it's "oh, okay, a woman, just not this (super-qualified and experienced with a huge history of working for women and also capable of holding a progressive and evolving platform) woman. Daring to hold women's rights dear and equal is "identity politics".
Just sick of it.
Again with the misapplied use of "gaslight."
Egnever (19,149 posts)
15. I can't decide if you are being played or playing people
Who the **** cares about a mayor in bum**** Egypt.
No one is suggesting that the Dem party drop it's support for abortion.
This is division for division sake over a ****ing mayor.
Someone who has little or no impact whatsoever on abortion.
For that we are going to blow up the Democratic party?
This is some dumb ass BS
Congrats on ignoring the elephant in the room while fighting over a ****ing mayor.
stonecutter357 (6,617 posts)
16. I ****in care ... why don't you?
guillaumeb (13,429 posts)
31. Because Bernie said...........................
and ...............something................independent....................all his fault.
Keep ****ing that chicken!
Bernardo de La Paz (17,221 posts)
20. What would Putin want the Democratic Party's position on reproductive rights to be?
FairWinds (1,458 posts)
21. What if a Dem was Pro-choice . .
but also Pro-war?
This is not hypothetical. Check out
"Rep. Alcee Hastings has sponsored a bill to authorize President Trump to attack Iran."
What if they were Pro-corporate - and wanted to shift more tax burden to working families?
Is Choice the ONLY qualification to receive progressive credentials?
Squinch (17,094 posts)
39. I own my body. First and foremost. If someone is advocating taking that away from me, then
there is nothing more to talk about. It is non-negotiable.
I am heartbroken that people here on DU do not realize that I have a right to the ownership of my own body. I am heartbroken that people are playing this, "what if" nonsense, as if this is some kind of a game.
You own your body but the unborn don't own theirs...
...and you're the one who put them there.
athena (3,192 posts)
51. What if they were pro-slavery?
Would you still be defending them?
Or is it only when Democrats want to deny women's basic humanity that you feel the need to defend them? It's hypocritical to be against slavery, capital punishment, and war, while making excuses for Democrats who want to force women to undergo dangerous medical procedures against their will.
Getting knocked up because of personal irresponsibility is not slavery.
LakeArenal (914 posts)
23. I support pro-choice and am an atheist.
But my family has some very real Catholics. They can get behind most of the platform. Take birth control up to your eyebrows. Plan B.
Planned Parenthood is great. But they just can't say abortions are okay for anyone. It's even hard for them to accept them in a case to save the mother. A lot of them feel abortion is more often used as birth control than a medical emergency.
These are caring and loving people. Where do they vote? If anyone who doesn't support abortion ever can't be a Democrat, then who are they to the party?
Some of them who follow politics feel Dems are becoming as excluding as evangelicals.
boston bean (29,714 posts)
25. They don't have to have an abortion.
And they vote with the party they agree with most.
No woman should have to give up rights for someone elses religious reasons. Dems aren't the taliban. Repubs sort of are.
LakeArenal (914 posts)
28. They aren't asking for an abortion and they are not asking for anyone to give up anything..
They hear everyday, anyone who can't support abortion can't be a Democrat. Not vote your conscience. I was told by a poster lately that
democrats have a big tent but not an open one. That's what they hear and it feels like an invitation to not join up.
Squinch (17,094 posts)
47. This is kind of bullshit. No one is saying they have to "support abortion." We are saying they
cannot impose their beliefs about abortion on me.
This entire thread is you assholes imposing your beliefs on others.
They don't have to lift a finger for abortion. They just have to get those fingers off my uterus and not think they have a say about what goes into it.
And nominally their opposition to abortion rights comes from a belief that "all life is sacred" and fetuses are people. Bad science, but let's let that go. If, to avoid "supporting abortion" they vote for the Republican, they are ALWAYS endangering a lot more lives than if they vote for the Democrat. Let's face it, looking at climate change alone, Republicans are going to kill us all.
So if their issue is that they are against killing things, then if they do the math they will STILL vote for the Democrat, even if they think abortion falls into that category.
I say this as someone who grew up in a very Catholic family and community. And as an aside, those staunch beliefs are actually quite mushy. In my Catholic college, a larger percentage of women by far had abortions than in any other cohort I ever belonged to in my life. As in, they had many TIMES the number of abortions. This was because they had little information about birth control, and because their families and communities would treat them badly if they were pregnant out of wedlock. Often the abortions were arranged by their parents, often pillars of the Catholic community.
LakeArenal (914 posts)
49. See this is exactly the problem for them and a little for me...
Bullshit. These are core beliefs of people. You call bullshit. Which is always helpful in a discussion of ideas. I will vote the way you want. But we are asked over and over why people don't vote. Not vote republican.. Just not vote. People are told their beliefs are bullshit. That you don't need their timid vote. That Catholic beliefs are mushy. If your beliefs are mushy fine. Don't qualify other peoples beliefs. It seems if you bully them enough with insults, they will come over to the "correct" side.
I seriously don't see these tactics any different than the enemy. I expect an onslaught of haters to chase me now.. Have at it.
Atman (30,221 posts)
57. Then help to educate them and/or start their own Religious Party.
The God Party would pay taxes, though. No more of this tax-exemption bullshit.
I'm tired of having to deal with Republican idiots who get voted in by one-issue voters, many of them Democrats. They are destroying the country, willing to bring everyone else down with them, just because their magic book supposedly tells them abortion is wrong (it doesn't say that). I'm sick of it. I'm sure your family is very nice. So is mine, and I generally enjoy our visits. But I am repulsed when our hear my very elderly in-laws vote for Trump and then complain about Medicare cuts. EDUCATE. Don't continually give in.
Initech (59,515 posts)
26. It's called "don't let them frame the narrative".
The presidential election was stolen from us - fact. We got steamrolled in the Congressional and gubernatorial races - fact. But rather than spend the next two years drowning in our beers and tears trying to figure out where it went wrong - which is what is happening now, we should start going after these rat bastards hard. We are letting them frame the narrative as to why we lost, and that keeps us distracted, which keeps us fighting with each other, which ensures they will keep winning elections. It's the shit cycle that we've gone through since Reagan.
Want to stop that from happening again? What we need to do is get ****ing organized with a clear narrative, a clear direction, and a clear mission statement. And that mission statement should be - we don't want another Trump. We don't want to have to waste time figuring out that our election was hacked by a foreign entity, and they're about to do it again. What we have to do is stop this shit from happening.
So the answer is simple: DON'T. LET. THEM. FRAME. THE NARRATIVE. We need to get our people out there and running at literally every level of government. And I mean every - even if it's something like a city comptroller's office or a school board election. Regardless of whether we win or lose these elections. Any pick ups are pick ups. We need to start flipping every office we can't get now, then we can start flipping districts, then we can start flipping states. Did you see that movie "Moneyball"? That's how they did it in that movie - little gains first, then big ones. But we can't let them get to us by making us fight over Bernie or Hillary, pro choice or anti choice, and so on and so forth. That's how they win.
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