http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3387242Oh my.
Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:18 PM
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The lunacy of the "different gasoline blends" argument as a contributor to high prices
There is an article on CNN.com about "quick fixes" for high gas prices. One of the sections starts out with this...
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Ease refining restrictions. Refineries seem to be in a perpetual mess. They currently have to make over 40 types of gasoline blends to meet clean air requirements in different areas. They are also only running at about 85%capacity.
Easing clean air requirements or reducing the number of blends made might bring down prices.
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Excuse me, but who says oil companies have to produce over 40 blends to meet clean air requirements in different areas? If it's such a burden, what would be so horrible about just making one blend of each grade of gasoline, and make it meet the toughest state's requirement? What would be so horrible, everyone would benefit from cleaner air? *gasp* HORRORS!
Seems to me it more greed on the part of the oil companies. It gives them more ways to screw around with prices and supply, and provides cover for their profiteering (imho).
But of course, I could be wrong.
The beach boy's wrong.
Anyway.
eyesroll (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:19 PM
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1. I know nothing about this...but is there a single blend that would meet all areas' requirements?
Or, might some of them have incompatible or contradictory ingredients?
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:19 PM
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2. I don't know the merits of their arguement but their claim is that different regions require different gas due to the differing climates of those regions. That is a gas which would be clean in California would be dirty in Illinois and vice versa. I don't know the merits though.
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:26 PM
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6. Also, the "additive story" doesn't make sense
Additives are needed in the winter for gas line freeze-up protection and lower efficiencies in the cold.
Yet, the gas prices go up in the summer, precisely when consumption does.
So, yeah, I've always called bullshit on that argument.
DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:30 PM
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7. If it were truly a free market driven by supply and demand, they wouldn't be operating permanently at 85% capacity. Period.
Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:37 PM
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8. But why then is diesel even higher than gas?
It takes way way less to refine diesel from crude than it does to refine gasoline.. someone is talking out their ass.
KSCFAN (74 posts) Wed Jun-04-08 09:05 PM
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14. It used to cost less.
We now have low sulfur diesel requirements. It takes more equipment and effort to do that. Small price to pay for clean air.
bbinacan (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 07:55 PM
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9. This may be helpful
A Primer on Gasoline Blending
Gasoline is composed of many different hydrocarbons. Crude oil enters a refinery, and is processed through various units before being blended into gasoline. A refinery may have a fluid catalytic cracker (FCC), an alkylate unit, and a reformer, each of which produces gasoline blending components. Alkylate gasoline, for example, is valuable because it has a very high octane, and can be used to produce high-octane (and higher value) blends. Light straight run gasoline is the least processed stream. It is cheap to produce, but it has a low octane. The person specifying the gasoline blends has to mix all of the components together to meet the product specifications.
There are two very important (although not the only) specifications that need to be met for each gasoline blend. The gasoline needs to have the proper octane, and it needs to have the proper Reid vapor pressure, or RVP. While the octane of a particular grade is constant throughout the year, the RVP spec changes as cooler weather sets in.
The RVP is the vapor pressure of the gasoline blend when the temperature is 100 degrees F. Normal atmospheric pressure varies, but is usually around 14.7 lbs per square inch (psi). Atmospheric pressure is caused by the weight of the air over our heads. If a liquid has a vapor pressure of greater than local atmospheric pressure, that liquid boils. For example, when you heat a pot of water, the vapor pressure increases until it reaches atmospheric pressure. At that point, the water begins to boil.
In the summer, when temperatures can exceed 100 degrees F in many locations, it is important that the RVP of gasoline is well below 14.7. Otherwise, it can pressure up your gas tanks and gas cans, and it can boil in open containers. Gas that is boiled off ends up in the atmosphere, and contributes to air pollution. Therefore, the EPA has declared that summer gasoline blends may not exceed 7.8 psi in some locations, and 9.0 psi in others.
A typical summer gasoline blend might consist of 40% FCC gas, 25% straight run gas, 15% alkylate, 18% reformate, and 2% butane. The RVP of the gasoline blend depends on how much of each component is in the blend, and what the RVP is of each component. Butane is a relatively inexpensive ingredient in gasoline, but it has the highest vapor pressure at around 52 psi.
In a gasoline blend, each component contributes a fraction to the overall RVP. In the case of butane, if there is 10% butane in the blend, it will contribute around 5.2 psi (10% of 52 psi) to the overall blend. (In reality, it is slightly more complicated than this, because some components interact with each other which can affect the expected RVP). This means that in the summer, the butane fraction must be very low in the gasoline, or the overall RVP of the blend will be too high. That is the primary difference between winter and summer gasoline blends.
Why Prices Fall in the Fall
Winter gasoline blends are phased in as the weather gets cooler. September 15th is the date of the first increase in RVP, and in some areas the allowed RVP eventually increases to 15 psi. This has two implications for gasoline prices every fall. First, as noted, butane is a cheaper blending component than most of the other ingredients. That makes fall and winter gasoline cheaper to produce. But butane is also abundant, so that means that gasoline supplies effectively increase as the RVP requirement increases. Not only that, but this all takes place after summer driving season, when demand typically falls off.
These factors normally combine each year to reduce gasoline prices in the fall (even in non-election years). The RVP is stepped back down to summer levels starting in the spring, and this usually causes prices to increase. But lest you think of buying cheap winter gasoline and storing it until spring or summer, remember that it will pressure up as the weather heats up, and the contained butane will start to vaporize out of the mix.
And that's why gasoline prices generally fall back in the fall, and spring forward in the spring.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/9/13/234043/431
And now comes the predictable primitive wiggle-waggle:
Xenotime (1000+ posts) Wed Jun-04-08 08:44 PM
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10. Meh...still just bullshit.
KSCFAN (74 posts) Wed Jun-04-08 09:04 PM
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13. Too much science stuff in there.
There are a lot of truthers and moon hoax nuts that never took a science or math class and just assume it's all BS. They live off the lifetime dedication of others to science and engineering and then have the nerve to question it without learning. Same thing on the Repug's side with the religious nuts.
Well, one guesses Pedro Picasso, who apparently never took a science or mathematics class, and assumes it's all bull excresence, is wrong.
