We're Living In The Final Years of Capitalism

[Freeper]

Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-03-10 08:16 PM
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We're Living In The Final Years of Capitalism
   
All systems fail when the benefits of that system are not fairly nor adequately shared. Since the beginning of the new century, less and less people are benefiting from capitalism. New job creation has been negative. Incomes, housing valuations, and the stock market have all lost significant value and/or declined. Capitalism has not given the average American any real reason why it should be continued.

Sure, there does exist massive pro-Capitalism propaganda networks from Fox News, CNBC, AM Talk radio, etc., and thanks to the Citizens United decision, major corporations have free reign to spend even more money on electioneering propaganda. However, just as in the former Soviet Union, the rhetoric cannot compete with the reality of life. The people mentally tune out the propaganda and focus on survival while preparing for a chance to over throw the system.

Our jobs are Progressives is to think beyond Obama and the entire Democratic party. Our jobs as Progressives is to offer America a clear, precise, unambiguous vision of how our future can be under a strong set of Progressive principles. Our job is to be the light at the end of that tunnel.

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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Dec-03-10 08:25 PM
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7. One thing that I think is a good sign is that younger people no longer view the word
   
socialism with horror and fear like the people did years ago.

If you knew history and I mean real history not the shit that DU spews you would realize why the older folks look at socialism with horror and fear. Many of them escaped that horror to come here and live in freedom, only to watch as you goons turn this country into what they fled from.

[Chris_]

Someone's going to lose it tonight and go to bed with a granite cookie.

I'm going to sit back and laugh at the morons who voted for higher taxes and more regulations.

[blitzkrieg_17]

We shall flush you and your ideas down the toilet like the turds they are, DUmbasses. Just stop wasting space, idiots. 

[ColonialMarine0431]

We will throw socialism onto the trash heap of dead ideologies,

So help me God.

[ColonialMarine0431]

We shall flush you and your ideas down the toilet like the turds they are, DUmbasses. Just stop wasting space, idiots. 

H5

[Allentownjake]

We don't have capitalism right now.  The entire argument is moot.

[Attero Dominatus]

We shall flush you and your ideas down the toilet like the turds they are, DUmbasses. Just stop wasting space, idiots. 

H5

[LC EFA]

We don't have capitalism right now.  The entire argument is moot.

Doesn't stop the hive from lapping up that sort of masturbatory post like like a cat in the cream now does it.

[BlueStateSaint]

We will throw socialism onto the trash heap of dead ideologies,

So help me God.

And this old cavalryman will be right by your side, Marine.  H5.

[whiffleball]

If you knew history and I mean real history not the shit that DU spews you would realize why the older folks look at socialism with horror and fear. Many of them escaped that horror to come here and live in freedom, only to watch as you goons turn this country into what they fled from.

I have a BIL who says he'd be more than happy to pay $1000 a year to the spread-the-wealth pot if only socialism would take root in this country.  It doesn't occur to him that he won't be performing this based on his altruism and since he's very comfortable financially his contribution won't stop at 1k.  This is a man who is well educated and works at a university, but somehow he's forgotten or revised the history of the world.  I love him, but he's a maroon when it comes to such things.

[Freeper]

We don't have capitalism right now.  The entire argument is moot.

You are right we already have been infested by socialism by both parties.

[Allentownjake]

You are right we already have been infested by socialism by both parties.

I view it as more of a kleptocratic fascism. 

In any regards, the Fed's actions disclosed recently put the myth that we live in a capitalist country to bed.

[jukin]

Can any of the DUchebags point out one example of socialism/communism's success?  History has proven over and over that all socialism/communism brings is death and misery.

Look at this success record it had in the twencen:

The top ten worst genocides of the 20th Century
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000

[ColonialMarine0431]

All systems fail when the benefits of that system are not fairly nor adequately shared.

No. They fail when the parasites outnumber the producers. Just look at what's happening in Europe.


There's a famous quote (I can't remember the exact words or who said it) that says that economies collapse when enough people figure out that it's easier to feed at the public trough than to work for themselves.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I view it as more of a kleptocratic fascism. 

In any regards, the Fed's actions disclosed recently put the myth that we live in a capitalist country to bed.

If I was feeling particularly cynical today, I would disagree to the extent of saying it is more of a kleptocratic oligarchy supported by an Imperial Roman vox populi, vox Dei philosophy which (Particularly in Democrat hands) uses the public coffers to purchase a certain degree of 'Tyranny of the majority.'

[ColonialMarine0431]

If I was feeling particularly cynical today, I would disagree to the extent of saying it is more of a kleptocratic oligarchy supported by an Imperial Roman vox populi, vox Dei philosophy which (Particularly in Democrat hands) uses the public coffers to purchase a certain degree of 'Tyranny of the majority.'

Exactly. Which is why the Founding Fathers intended us to be a Republic, not a Democracy.

[thundley4]

Exactly. Which is why the Founding Fathers intended us to be a Republic, not a Democracy.

I think that is why Senators were elected by state legislatures, not the general voting public.  Senators no longer have to please all of the state, just the voters in the largest metropolitan areas.

[true_blood]

LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts)   Fri Dec-03-10 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. One thing that I think is a good sign is that younger people no longer view the word socialism with horror and fear like the people did years ago.

That's because they're being brought up as red diaper doper babies. They have no clue about socialism. It's all about what the lord zero tells them. it's great,...till they have to pay for others to use that gubberment entitlement. Redistribute their wealth around then they'll see how great the socialism is.

[Allentownjake]

I think that is why Senators were elected by state legislatures, not the general voting public.  Senators no longer have to please all of the state, just the voters in the largest metropolitan areas.

Well it wasn't just that, the state legislators could pick their best and brightest to represent their interest instead of the morons that exist in the US Senate right now.

[BlueStateSaint]

Well it wasn't just that, the state legislators could pick their best and brightest to represent their interest instead of the morons that exist in the US Senate right now.

AJ, when I look at the FUBAR that is the Legislature of the State of New York, I'd say that their "best and brightest" would be classified as "morons" (at least) in 40 or so of the other states.

[Allentownjake]

AJ, when I look at the FUBAR that is the Legislature of the State of New York, I'd say that their "best and brightest" would be classified as "morons" (at least) in 40 or so of the other states.

Yes, but they wouldn't be sending anyone to Washington D.C that would supercede their powers in the state legislature.

At the end of the day, none of the unfunded mandates imposed on the state legislatures would have ever passed with a state legislature appointed Senator in D.C.

The Senate originally was set up to be the voice of the state legislature in D.C.

[thundley4]

Yes, but they wouldn't be sending anyone to Washington D.C that would supercede their powers in the state legislature.

At the end of the day, none of the unfunded mandates imposed on the state legislatures would have ever passed with a state legislature appointed Senator in D.C.

The Senate originally was set up to be the voice of the state legislature in D.C.

A few of the newly elected Tea Party members support going back to that method of electing senators.

[jukin]

If I was feeling particularly cynical today, I would disagree to the extent of saying it is more of a kleptocratic oligarchy supported by an Imperial Roman vox populi, vox Dei philosophy which (Particularly in Democrat hands) uses the public coffers to purchase a certain degree of 'Tyranny of the majority.'

As well, when the power is not in democrat hands they use the public coffers to purchase a certain degree of 'Tyranny of the minority.'

[true_blood]

We shall flush you and your ideas down the toilet like the turds they are, DUmbasses. Just stop wasting space, idiots. 

H5! Well said.
Suck it DUmmies/libs.