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Title: Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously.
Post by: CC27 on February 12, 2020, 07:56:27 AM

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DanTex (19,059 posts)

 
Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously.

 
Yet another paper-thin attack against M4A. And I get why union leaders do things like this. They have to play politics too, need to stay right with certain politicians, I don't begrudge them doing that.

But it's also good to keep the facts straight. Single payer would greatly benefit union workers. Yes, it's true that unions have made concessions in pay in order to get good healthcare. This is not an argument against M4A, but in favor of it. With M4A, everyone, including union workers, will have good healthcare, so they won't have to give up pay concessions in order to get that. And since corporations won't have to pay for workers' healthcare, it will in fact be easier to negotiate higher pay. It's extremely shortsighted and dishonest to pretend that the current agreements unions have negotiated are eternal.

And that's not all. When employers control workers' healthcare, it gives them more power over workers' lives. And this isn't theoretical. During the recent UAW strike, GM cut off the healthcare of striking workers. With single payer, this couldn't happen, taking away this leverage that corporations can use against striking workers.

So, fine, the leadership of the culinary union in Nevada for political reasons needs to circulate fliers attacking M4A. Just lets also not forget the facts.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287506574

I doubt unions will enjoy losing their gold plated healthcare.

Title: Re: Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously.
Post by: 67 Rover on February 12, 2020, 08:11:26 AM

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And since corporations won't have to pay for workers' healthcare,

And they wonder why we call them DUmmies. Stupid like that should hurt because they don't even know that they are stupid.  :banghead:

Title: Re: Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously.
Post by: thundley4 on February 12, 2020, 09:14:23 AM

God these people are stupid.

 Look what happened with ObamaCare. Employers dropped their coverage forcing workers onto the crappy exchanges.

Did they pay their workers more? Hell no.

The same thing will happen with Medicare for all. The union workers will be forced to take that crappy care and won't see any increase in their paychecks.

Unions in Nevada are already coming out against the candidates backing single payer and other unions will, too.

Title: Re: Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously.
Post by: Texacon on February 12, 2020, 09:32:22 AM

Oh and all the while they were telling us just how GREAT Obamacare was going to be, the unions and large corporations were opted out for 5 years!  The unions didn't want that pile of shit either, so Obama gave them an out.  You don't think the same thing would happen with Medicare for All??

KC

Title: Re: Single Payer is good for union workers. Obviously.
Post by: Old n Grumpy on February 12, 2020, 03:29:45 PM

With single payer / medicare for all you wind up with a system like in England. Shitty care doled out with long waits and excelent care outside the system for those willing and able to pay for it.

The dems are selling a shit sandwich on stale bread. :thatsright: