Author Topic: proud2blib sees muslims (Read 1565 times)

Kimberly · « **on:** October 22, 2010, 12:27:37 PM »

What a coincidence that her bouncies occur with major news events.

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 09:52 PM
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I saw a family of Muslims in the store today. Was I supposed to be afraid?
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 10:08 PM by proud2BlibKansan
As I pulled into the parking lot, the news was on and they were reading the story about Juan Williams being fired from NPR. Not two minutes later, I was walking down the aisle in the store and two women and a small girl wearing burkas passed by me. My first thought was how nice it was to live in a diverse community. I can remember when seeing anyone who was not white was rare here.

Then I thought of Juan Gonzalez and wondered how he would react. I chuckled to myself when I realized this wasn't an airport so maybe he would not be afraid.

For many years now, there have been quite a few Muslims in the schools where I have taught. It never went through my mind that I should be afraid of them. After 9/11, I feared FOR them, knowing that those who feared them would make their lives as uncomfortable as possible.

These are such sad days in our once great country.

A few of the DUmp monkeys aren't buying it, however.

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REP (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:08 PM
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12. Why was a child wearing a burqa? I never see children wearing them; only adult women
Children are not required to wear it. Maybe they weren't Muslim.

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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:15 PM
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17. Girls have to wear burqas when puberty starts. nt

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REP (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 11:09 PM
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24. OP says "small girl" - under puberty, no burqa, hijab, or scarf required
Just sayin'

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:20 PM
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19. I don't know. I didn't ask.
Lots of younger girls at school wear burkas.

Riiiight.

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REP (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 11:16 PM
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25. Burqas. Really. Not hijabs or niqabs or headscarfs, but burqas that cover from head to foot
Unbelievable. Really.

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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-22-10 10:13 AM
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43. Lots of people keep asking you if you really mean Burkas?
Full covering, head to toe? You have 'lots' of students wearing burkas? Really surprising, just really, really surprising.

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kwenu (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:16 PM
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18. Who the hell is Juan Gonzalez?
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 10:17 PM by kwenu
You mean Juan Williams. Anyway, I remember jogging on a trail near the lake. Saw a muslim family, the mother was wearing a burka in 95 degree weather. The father and son were wearing shorts. I thought..how utterly ridiculous, but...whatever. No one is perfect and free from personal prejudices and if they say they are I tend to believe they are lying. Knowing your faults is the key to becoming a better person. Acting like you have none just proves ignorance.

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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:40 PM
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21. They were wearing "Burkas"..? Really? Are you sure?
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 10:42 PM by A HERETIC I AM
They were dressed like this?!?;

<photo of women in burkas>

A ****ing BURQA?!?

So you are asking that your readers believe that YOU....."Proud2BlibKansan"...IN ****ING KANSAS, NO LESS saw a an entire family wearing a dress/covering that utterly and completely shielded them?

Sorry, but this just S C R E A M S hyperbole.

Honestly, were those three women really wearing "Burkas"?

Or were they simply wearing the Hijab?

<photo of women with headscarves>

There is a HUGE difference, you know.

Edited for structure.

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REP (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 11:18 PM
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26. She claims a CHILD was wearing a burqa
Yeah.

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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-22-10 09:09 AM
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42. Do you really see women and girls in actual full burkas often?
I've lived near mosques and traveled the world, a full Burka is a very rare thing to see in Islamdom, actually, and even more rare in the US areas with lots of Muslims. Most Muslim women do not wear the burka. So seeing that garment is like seeing the Hasidim or a nun, you just think, man, these are some Fundie religious types, with full costumes.
Just to be clear, the Burka means to me things far more specific than 'muslim' because that garment is much more a reflection of culture than of faith, as it is not a requirement of Islam itself.

Chris_ · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:44:11 PM »

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 09:52 PM
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My first thought was how nice it was to live in a diverse community.

I live in a 'diverse' community, too. Good luck finding anyone that speaks English.

Ballygrl · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:45:30 PM »

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Juan Gonzalez

Who's Juan Gonzalez? is that a jab at his hispanic ancestry?

Vagabond · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:46:54 PM »

I saw this right after she posted. I don't know that she suffers from a low IQ, but she certainly is ignorant. I have spent a good amount of my life in Muslim I don't recall seeing a young girl wearing a burqa or hijab. There are even older women that don't much bother with the hijab either.

As far as the way most of them dress, I think she would have heart failure on a flight to or from the middle east. Women go to the bathroom to put on more traditional clothing going and put on jeans and a blouse leaving.

Maybe I expect too much in my DUmmie of the year selections, but she could at least try to be believable. She clearly has prejudices and notions about Muslims, but she had to put a post out to say she wasn't like that mean old nasty Juan Williams.

Ballygrl · « **Reply #4 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:47:35 PM »

OK, we know it's a lie right there because small girls don't wear burqa's, as was pointed out by someone, girls wear regular clothes until they go through puberty than they wear burqa's.

Ballygrl · « **Reply #5 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:51:59 PM »

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:20 PM
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19. I don't know. I didn't ask.
Lots of younger girls at school wear burkas.

No they don't, though they do wear head scarves.

Ballygrl · « **Reply #6 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:56:37 PM »

BTW great find on the thread!

blitzkrieg_17 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2010, 12:57:16 PM »

Quote from: Ballygrl on October 22, 2010, 12:45:30 PM

Who's Juan Gonzalez? is that a jab at his hispanic ancestry?

I think he was watching his former team last night, and not being part of DUmmy bouncies.

Tnafbrat · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:08:55 PM »

... I just see dead people

JohnnyReb · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:12:22 PM »

Yea tho I walk through the WAL-MART parking lot I will fear no Muslim...for my Glock and extra clip are with me.

delilahmused · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:12:38 PM »

My first thought had I seen this fictional group IRL would be "those poor women, that kind of oppression shouldn't happen in this country" NOT how wonderfully diverse my neighborhood is.

Cindie

crockspot · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:12:56 PM »

When I was living in Montreal, I saw a lot of Muslims. The men tended to wear track suits like Paulie Walnuts from the Sopranos, and most of the women wore hijabs. Rarely would you see a full on burka. On my brother-in-law's street, there were actually a couple of Saudi women who wore the full black ninja suit, head to toe. I saw them in the street often with their children, who were dressed in normal child clothes.

Carl · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:13:16 PM »

This is the second grocery store bouncy with a burqa,remember there was one a while back about a guy in tears from seeing how thankful she was that he talked to her.

A new storyline is forming.

Tnafbrat · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:15:08 PM »

Quote from: JohnnyReb on October 22, 2010, 01:12:22 PM

Yea tho I walk through the WAL-MART parking lot I will fear no Muslim...for my Glock and extra clip are with me.

mine's a pearl handled colt cobra .38 detective special ... 6 shot

Chris_ · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:15:13 PM »

Quote from: Carl on October 22, 2010, 01:13:16 PM

This is the second grocery store bouncy with a burqa,remember there was one a while back about a guy in tears from seeing how thankful she was that he talked to her.

A new storyline is forming.

Tucker's buddy 11Bravo, I think.

Tnafbrat · « **Reply #15 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:17:28 PM »

I've always thought of burkas as a form of torture ... not only that, but they're black! imagine the heat ... I figure white at least would reflect.

crockspot · « **Reply #16 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:18:12 PM »

Quote from: Carl on October 22, 2010, 01:13:16 PM

This is the second grocery store bouncy with a burqa,remember there was one a while back about a guy in tears from seeing how thankful she was that he talked to her.

A new storyline is forming.

Another Montreal story... I usually give strangers a smile when they make eye contact with me, just a natural friendliness I guess. I was heading into a shopping mall on the west island, and this young woman in a hijab was talking on the pay phone. She was quite cute. We made eye contact, I smiled, and she flashed me back one of the most beautiful smiles I've ever seen... I do not recall crying however.

dandi · « **Reply #17 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:20:58 PM »

Quote from: Tnafbrat on October 22, 2010, 01:08:55 PM

... I just see dead people

Really? I just see stupid ones.

Tnafbrat · « **Reply #18 on:** October 22, 2010, 01:25:11 PM »

Quote from: wasp69 on October 22, 2010, 01:20:58 PM

Really? I just see stupid ones.

.. oh, I thought they were one in the same ...

Vagabond · « **Reply #19 on:** October 22, 2010, 02:04:26 PM »

Quote from: Tnafbrat on October 22, 2010, 01:17:28 PM

I've always thought of burkas as a form of torture ... not only that, but they're black! imagine the heat ... I figure white at least would reflect.

They wear white burqas when on hajj.

Tucker · « **Reply #20 on:** October 22, 2010, 02:47:57 PM »

Quote from: chris_ on October 22, 2010, 01:15:13 PM

Tucker's buddy 11Bravo, I think.

That's him. Mr. Hamburger Hill.

Anyway. I live in SE Michigan. The largest muslim population in the US. I bet I don't see 5 people a year in a burka.

Karin · « **Reply #21 on:** October 22, 2010, 03:10:19 PM »

I went over to see if Ann clarified the wardrobe. She never did, even though she saw the questions (based on post numbering). But anyway, look who shows up, just like yesterday:

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Bragi (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-22-10 08:10 AM
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38. Why celebrate a display of oppression and subservience?
Edited on Fri Oct-22-10 08:20 AM by Bragi
I saw a Saudi-style niqab-clad woman in a store last week, accompanied, of course, by a young son or other male relative.

From my reading, I know that if she went out alone, even dressed in that Saudi-inspired reactionary garb, she would be a disgrace to the honour of her family, and could be killed with impunity by her male relatives for this under the Wahhabist interpretation of sharia law.

(Note: This is an undeniable fact, and "honour killings" do happen.)

Unlike those here who see such people as "just trying to live her life as normally as possible" and who preach tolerance towards this reactionary Islamic group, I am quite uncomfortable with and saddened by public displays of oppression and gender inequality of this sort.

And I feel great sadness for the women who are victims of this kind of religious and cultural oppression, however deeply culturally programmed they may be to accept it as their fate.

On the other hand, I also know that these sad women and their reactionary families are not at all typical of Muslim women as whole, who do not ascribe to the retrograde Wahhabist dictates, and who live in families who are not stuck in the 12th century.

Personally, I don't think that displays of reactionary Wahhabism are something that should be applauded by anyone who cares about gender equality.

I know that it used to be that feeling this way was pretty well accepted mainstream thinking in the West, but I know now that expressing discomfort and sadness about women victims of Wahhabism is now likely to result in accusations being hurled that the speaker is a racist, bigot, etc. etc. (In current times, expressing discomfort with displays of subservience could even get me fired at NPR, apparently.)

So I will close by simply declaring up front that I'm neither a racist or a bigot, never have been or will be, and that I'm not intimidated by those who might be quick to defend reactionary, Saudi-inspired and promoted Wahhabism without even apparently understanding the horrific oppression of women that they are defending.

Nobody replied to her.

Attero Dominatus · « **Reply #22 on:** October 22, 2010, 03:12:14 PM »

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 09:52 PM
Original message
I saw a family of Muslims in the store today. Was I supposed to be afraid?
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 10:08 PM by proud2BlibKansan
As I pulled into the parking lot, the news was on and they were reading the story about Juan Williams being fired from NPR. Not two minutes later, I was walking down the aisle in the store and two women and a small girl wearing burkas passed by me. My first thought was how nice it was to live in a diverse community. I can remember when seeing anyone who was not white was rare here.

Then I thought of Juan Gonzalez and wondered how he would react. I chuckled to myself when I realized this wasn't an airport so maybe he would not be afraid.

For many years now, there have been quite a few Muslims in the schools where I have taught. It never went through my mind that I should be afraid of them. After 9/11, I feared FOR them, knowing that those who feared them would make their lives as uncomfortable as possible.

These are such sad days in our once great country.

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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-21-10 10:20 PM
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19. I don't know. I didn't ask.
Lots of younger girls at school wear burkas.

FAIL. That bouncy fell flat. Zero bongs.

Celtic Rose · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2010, 03:17:11 PM »

Quote from: Vagabond on October 22, 2010, 12:46:54 PM

I saw this right after she posted. I don't know that she suffers from a low IQ, but she certainly is ignorant. I have spent a good amount of my life in Muslim I don't recall seeing a young girl wearing a burqa or hijab. There are even older women that don't much bother with the hijab either.

As far as the way most of them dress, I think she would have heart failure on a flight to or from the middle east. Women go to the bathroom to put on more traditional clothing going and put on jeans and a blouse leaving.

Maybe I expect too much in my DUmmie of the year selections, but she could at least try to be believable. She clearly has prejudices and notions about Muslims, but she had to put a post out to say she wasn't like that mean old nasty Juan Williams.

I see muslims fairly frequently, and I've seen young girls wearing a hijab once. Two little girls in a stroller, both wearing one. It was very odd, because they generally aren't required until puberty.

I saw several women wearing burka's when I happened to go to an Amusement park on Muslim Unity day. My cousin from out of town with me, and the majority of women in the park were wearing a hijab, so she asked if the demographics of the area had really changed that much

Attero Dominatus · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2010, 03:23:24 PM »

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54. burqas represent oppression of women....I am not afraid of the clothing..just

disgusted by what it represents....it is a step backwards for all females...here and abroad. (IMO)

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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Oct-21-10 10:40 PM
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21. They were wearing "Burkas"..? Really? Are you sure?

Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 10:42 PM by A HERETIC I AM
They were dressed like this?!?;

A ****ing BURQA?!?

So you are asking that your readers believe that YOU....."Proud2BlibKansan"...IN ****ING KANSAS, NO LESS saw a an entire family wearing a dress/covering that utterly and completely shielded them?

Sorry, but this just S C R E A M S hyperbole.
Honestly, were those three women really wearing "Burkas"?
Or were they simply wearing the Hijab?
There is a HUGE difference, you know.
Edited for structure.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Thu Oct-21-10 11:18 PM
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26. She claims a CHILD was wearing a burqa

Yeah.
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The Proud2BDumb primitive's bouncy did not just fall flat, it got torn to shreds. By other hive members no less! EPIC FAIL!

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