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Pretty awesome...For once, the two best teams in Major League Baseball will square off at Fenway tonight.
Gotta love it! (helps that I live in NH and I'm a Sox fan!)
Any predictions? I say Sox in 7 games. Cardinals are a great team, but the Red Sox really do seem like a team of destiny this year!
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I'll say the Cards in 6.
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Well, you guessed it, I'm...
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Jesse Spector, SN national baseball writer
THE PICK: Cardinals in four
WHY THE CARDINALS WILL SWEEP: Yadier Molina, the last active Cardinal from the 2004 team that got swept by the Red Sox, gathers his teammates before Game 1 at Fenway Park. It's not difficult to assemble them, because the visitors' locker room is the size of a shoebox, and also because it's always easy for Molina to assemble the Cardinals — he just uses the telepathic brain implant that all Cardinals receive upon their arrival in St. Louis. "This is for the Cardinal Way," Molina explains. "You already know about Marlon Anderson and Kiko Calero, about Matt Morris and Woody Williams, about Cal Eldred. But there was another guy on that team. Mike Matheny. He's the same one who's our manager now." A hush falls over the room. "We do this for him," they say in unison. The Cardinals operate with the machine-like efficieny of the cyborgs that they have become, but each is still, at heart, a man with his own motivation. For Molina, it is revenge. For Adam Wainwright, it's a belief that beards are to be properly groomed and maintained. For Carlos Beltran, it's the last item on a lengthy career to-do list. For Joe Kelly, it's America. For Matt Adams, it's the promise of having a sandwich named after him at his neighborhood deli, a sandwich that he will get to eat free for life. For me, it's about having made a preseason pick that actually has a chance to be correct, and sticking with that. That's why it's Cardinals in four.
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I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm an American League fan, but love the Cardinals fans and fan-base, especially as a native Midwesterner. So I shall root for them.
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Jesse Spector, SN national baseball writer
THE PICK: Cardinals in four
Wow! This guy is ballsy. A sweep? Really? With the Red Sox having home field advantage--he's saying they won't win a single game, even at Fenway?
I think this guy is due to eat some crow the next few days.
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Red Sox Slight Favorites Over Cardinals (http://www.baseballnation.com/hot-corner/2013/10/21/4862564/world-series-odds-red-sox-cardinals)
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Sox in 6.
I love this time of year, where I can sit at home, watch the leaves turn, and watch the World Series.
Just like the Yankees.
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Cards getting pounded early...
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hmmm...seven nothing in the seventh...
so much for the sweep :-)
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Tough loss for the Cards, but I have no doubt they will bounce back.
I think they just were shell shocked in the early innings and couldn't recover
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hmmm...seven nothing in the seventh...
so much for the sweep :-)
A sweep by the good guys is still possible. :rofl:
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Cards pull off the split. A sweep is still possible. A home sweep at Saint Louis !
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I still say its going to go 7 games...Wacha is only 1 pitcher, and the Sox have now seen what he's got.
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Well it took to the 7th inning of the 2nd game, but maybe the Cards are actually going to show up to the park to play. Up until then they looked like they didn't really want to be there.
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I'm rooting for the Sox for one reason only...David Ross. He was one of my favs as a Brave; and I really want him to get a ring.
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Red Sox will pull the feathers off the Cardinals, just you wait and see!! :wink:
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I think the Cards will take two of these in St. Louis, the Red Sox one, and the Sox will win the final two in Fenway.
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Game 3 not looking good for the Sox.
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Weird ending.
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Obstruction call on the Sox 3rd baseman on an inaccurate throw from the catcher in trying to gun down Craig, who is sliding into 3rd. Ball sails into left field, the Sox 3rd baseman is on the ground, belly side down, his legs go up, Craig picks himself up from his slide into 3rd, trips on the 3rd baseman's legs, and the ump calls "obstruction" which is this rule:
OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner..
Intent does not matter.
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Obstruction call on the Sox 3rd baseman on an inaccurate throw from the catcher in trying to gun down Craig, who is sliding into 3rd. Ball sails into left field, the Sox 3rd baseman is on the ground, belly side down, his legs go up, Craig picks himself up from his slide into 3rd, trips on the 3rd baseman's legs, and the ump calls "obstruction" which is this rule:
OBSTRUCTION is the act of a fielder who, while not in possession of the ball and not in the act of fielding the ball, impedes the progress of any runner..
Intent does not matter.
Maybe that idiot should watch where he is going. He tripped two times for goodness sakes>> 2 TIMES!!
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Meh...whattya gonna do? Sometimes the calls go your way, sometimes they don't
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Interference is called a lot more frequently, but it and obstruction are essentially two sides to the same coin. The run didn't score on the obstruction. The walkoff obstruction was caused by a very ill advised throw by the Sox catcher.
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It's the rules....
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As someone who has no horse in this race, I don't think the 3rd baseman or the runner did anything intentional. It just happened.
I will say that I do believe if the runner would not have fallen over the 3rd baseman he would have beat the throw. He would have been a minimum of 15 to 20 feet closer to base than he was, and who knows how it would have altered the throw to the catcher.
I get the feeling the Cards would have preferred the game didn't end that way. It was just strange all the way around.
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After two games, all I know is this: David Ortiz is a baseball God, and will likely surpass Ted Williams as the greatest and most revered Red Sox player to ever wear the uniform.
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Don't kid yourself, Gern. Papi won't hit 500 HR's, and he hasn't played more than 40 games defensively in a season since 1997.
Personally, at this point, he's good, but not Cooperstown material. Sorry, YMMV.
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Don't kid yourself, Gern. Papi won't hit 500 HR's, and he hasn't played more than 40 games defensively in a season since 1997.
Personally, at this point, he's good, but not Cooperstown material. Sorry, YMMV.
Well, I'd have to disagree with you. Based on stats and defensive ability, you're correct. But I said he'll be the most revered Red Sox player ever, not the best statistically.
Ted Williams never won a world series. Neither did Carl Yastrzemski, both listed as one and two respectively in the all time greats of the Sox.
David Ortiz has been on two World Series teams, possibly on his way to a third, and though he's in his zenith his career isn't even over--he's a guy who can consistently turn games and series around with one swing of his bat at the right time.
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Jesse Spector, SN national baseball writer
THE PICK: Cardinals in four
WHY THE CARDINALS WILL SWEEP: Yadier Molina, the last active Cardinal from the 2004 team that got swept by the Red Sox, gathers his teammates before Game 1 at Fenway Park. It's not difficult to assemble them, because the visitors' locker room is the size of a shoebox, and also because it's always easy for Molina to assemble the Cardinals — he just uses the telepathic brain implant that all Cardinals receive upon their arrival in St. Louis. "This is for the Cardinal Way," Molina explains. "You already know about Marlon Anderson and Kiko Calero, about Matt Morris and Woody Williams, about Cal Eldred. But there was another guy on that team. Mike Matheny. He's the same one who's our manager now." A hush falls over the room. "We do this for him," they say in unison. The Cardinals operate with the machine-like efficieny of the cyborgs that they have become, but each is still, at heart, a man with his own motivation. For Molina, it is revenge. For Adam Wainwright, it's a belief that beards are to be properly groomed and maintained. For Carlos Beltran, it's the last item on a lengthy career to-do list. For Joe Kelly, it's America. For Matt Adams, it's the promise of having a sandwich named after him at his neighborhood deli, a sandwich that he will get to eat free for life. For me, it's about having made a preseason pick that actually has a chance to be correct, and sticking with that. That's why it's Cardinals in four.
(COUGH)... :-)
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A 2 game sweep is still possible (and required), in Boston.
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Yes keeping my fingers crossed for them
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Series over. No way the Cards will take 2 in Boston.
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Well, I'd have to disagree with you. Based on stats and defensive ability, you're correct. But I said he'll be the most revered Red Sox player ever, not the best statistically.
Ted Williams never won a world series. Neither did Carl Yastrzemski, both listed as one and two respectively in the all time greats of the Sox.
David Ortiz has been on two World Series teams, possibly on his way to a third, and though he's in his zenith his career isn't even over--he's a guy who can consistently turn games and series around with one swing of his bat at the right time.
Well, he is 37 years old, turning 38 in a few weeks. Players of his size don't generally tend to age well. He was hurt a lot early in his career, which might mean he'll still have some more gas in the tank. Hard to tell.
His comparable players at Baseball-Reference.com are interesting, because no one compares really well with him:
Carlos Delgado (929)
Jason Giambi (903)
Paul Konerko (860)
Jeff Bagwell (854)
Jim Edmonds (853)
Andres Galarraga (848)
Juan Gonzalez (844)
Lance Berkman (842)
Jose Canseco (840)
Willie Stargell (833) * (HOF)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ortizda01.shtml
9 time All-Star, and should the Sox win the World Series, he'll be a 3-time winner. Players who have been primarly DH's haven't fared extremely well in the balloting, such as Edgar Martinez.
Papi will be treated with special care by the voters because of the above extras. If he can accumulate some more numbers in key categories the next couple years, his overall stats will look a little different but materially will still be the same. For instance, he could cross over the 500 HR barrier, as well as coming close to 2,500 career hits. Those are still "psychological" counting statistics that sadly some voters still consider important.
I haven't done a study, nor do I have time at the moment, but he will certainly be an interesting case when he becomes eligible in 2020 or thereabouts.
Any clue if he is planning on retiring?
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Series over. No way the Cards will take 2 in Boston.
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The road team has not won Games 6 & 7 since the '79 Pirates. Granted, the road team hasn't had a ton of chances to play both a game 6 & 7 on the road since '79 either.
I wouldn't be shocked to see the Cards pull it out, but I would be pleasantly surprised.
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I want the Sox to win, dang it all...
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Well, I'd have to disagree with you. Based on stats and defensive ability, you're correct. But I said he'll be the most revered Red Sox player ever, not the best statistically.
Ted Williams never won a world series. Neither did Carl Yastrzemski, both listed as one and two respectively in the all time greats of the Sox.
David Ortiz has been on two World Series teams, possibly on his way to a third, and though he's in his zenith his career isn't even over--he's a guy who can consistently turn games and series around with one swing of his bat at the right time.
Tony Gwynn never won a World Series. He's in Cooperstown. Ken Griffey Jr. will be, as will Ichiro. Phil Neikro, Don Sutton, and Gaylord Perry.
Ernie Banks? Nope. Ditto Harmon Killebrew and Ty Cobb.
Want me to keep going?
Ortiz is a pretty good player, for what he does. Unfortunately for him, it's called the Hall of FAME, not the Hall of "Pretty Good."
Mark my words, David Ortiz, for all his clutch performance, etc., simply doesn't have the numbers to get into Cooperstown. Period.
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The road team has not won Games 6 & 7 since the '79 Pirates. Granted, the road team hasn't had a ton of chances to play both a game 6 & 7 on the road since '79 either.
I wouldn't be shocked to see the Cards pull it out, but I would be pleasantly surprised.
Angels-Giants, 2002. Angels needed them both to win the Series. I was at Game 6. Best. Comeback. EVER. Watching Barroid tank that play in the 7th to give the Angels the tie was AWESOME.
And while it's not a Game 7 like it was in 2002, I think it'd be kind of cool to see Lackey take it down like he did then and seal the deal.
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RED SOX WON!!!!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Hmmm...I'm still remembering something about a Cardinals sweep....
^^^(enjoys beating dead horses)^^^ :-)