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A MUST READ: Why Socialism Always Results in Tyrannical Rule
Hella Jeff:
--- Quote from: Eupher on June 10, 2011, 06:34:36 PM ---You are a complete moron, evidently. And apparently you have to be shown just how stupid you are.
No problem, I have a few minutes to oblige. First, you said this:
The bolded part is why you got bitchslapped. And that's why you're getting bitchslapped again.
I'd engage in your conversation, but since you're having your ass handed to you so easily by Odin's Hand, I'll just observe. :popcorn:
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How do you figure that?
Eupher:
--- Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 10, 2011, 06:35:33 PM ---How do you figure that?
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:rotf:
I rest my case.
Odin's Hand:
--- Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 10, 2011, 06:05:14 PM ---Laws within themselves are socialist. You heard it here folks!
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Laws are a social contract. They exist to the end that the suppression of liberty by ALL within their national scope must be adhered to. In Switzerland, to adhere to this law is the suppression of an individual's liberty to own a firearm without a blessing by the state government unless the citizen is a resource of the state (militiaman) and executes the commands of the government fully.
--- Quote ---So its a GLOBAL socialist conspiracy now. Me thinks you need to stop watching so much Glenn Beck.
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Yep...ever hear of the U.N? You know, that "governing" entity liberals like yourself worship? You know, UNODA and their Arms Trade/Small Arms Treaty? Yeah, that's what you call "global".
Recently, we even had Washington D.C. try to ban arms from citizen's ownership, outside of government officials security details, etc. until it was struck down in Heller vs. the District of Columbia
--- Quote ---There have been lots of Dictators in the history of the world, even before Marx. You still havent shown me
any sort of causation.
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Yet, every single socialist that rises to nationalistic power seems to be vehemenant in installing weapon limitations on undesirables. That was the premise of your first smart-assed comment. You stated that no "socialist documents advocated taking away firearms from citizens". I provided quotes and historical examples of where they did and you still disregard them. It's simple, if the ownership of arms doesn't serve these dictator's desires, they remove the weapons by force (Waffen-SS, NKVD/KGB Directorates, Stasi, Red Guard, etc.)
To end, I'll quote Marx himself when he said in his "10 Planks of Communism" from the Communist Manifesto..."Confiscation of the property (weaponry especially) of all emigrants and rebels."
and also Thomas Jefferson's quote of "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"~Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, pg. 334
Hella Jeff:
--- Quote from: Odin's Hand on June 10, 2011, 09:31:24 PM ---
Yet, every single socialist that rises to nationalistic power seems to be vehemenant in installing weapon limitations on undesirables. That was the premise of your first smart-assed comment. You stated that no "socialist documents advocated taking away firearms from citizens". I provided quotes and historical examples of where they did and you still disregard them. It's simple, if the ownership of arms doesn't serve these dictator's desires, they remove the weapons by force (Waffen-SS, NKVD/KGB Directorates, Stasi, Red Guard, etc.)
To end, I'll quote Marx himself when he said in his "10 Planks of Communism" from the Communist Manifesto..."Confiscation of the property (weaponry especially) of all emigrants and rebels."
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But they were not exclusively socialists. They were also authoritarians and dictators. I gave you an example of a non-authoritarian socialist state which allowed gun ownership. What I am arguing is that the confiscation of Firearms is not something inherent in Socialism.
You added the "(weaponry especially)" to that. If you look at the other "planks" youll find things like the abolishment of inheritance and abolishing the distinction between city and country and other things I dont think most socialists in the west seriously advocate.
Odin's Hand:
--- Quote from: Hella Jeff on June 10, 2011, 09:47:18 PM ---But they were not exclusively socialists. They were also authoritarians and dictators. I gave you an example of a non-authoritarian socialist state which allowed gun ownership. What I am arguing is that the confiscation of Firearms is not something inherent in Socialism.
You added the "(weaponry especially)" to that. If you look at the other "planks" youll find things like the abolishment of inheritance and abolishing the distinction between city and country and other things I dont think most socialists in the west seriously advocate.
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BS, Switzerland is not a "socialist government". They hold free elections regularly, have a MULTI-party legislature (a violation of Marxism's "one people, one party"), and their personal, marginal tax rates are below 50%.
Remember this do ya? When the government tried to disarm the nation? It was shot down in a national referendum by the citizens of the nation.
http://militaryarms.blogspot.com/2011/02/swiss-to-lose-their-rifles.html
Let's see what a "Western Socialist" like Hugo Chavez has to say on these issues.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/17/venezuela-congress-grants-hugo-chavez-decree-powers/
"Rule by decree". Don't like it? You can rot in prison then.
http://www.hispanicprwire.com/News/in/14012/10/venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez-confronted-on-political-prisoners-at-summit-of
This is socialism in practice today as it has been since it's inception. You may live in a fantasy land of words and not actions, but this the actions of the modern, Western socialist.
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