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Title: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 25, 2013, 04:20:22 PM
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Lady Freedom Returns (6,302 posts)

PTSD STINKS!!!!
I was down at the U of A Stadium this Saturday, enjoying the activities going on outside. I was not ready for what I heard coming from the Stadium. Sirens, the kind that reminded me of Tornado Sirens. I had a wee bit of a breakdown.

A week earlier I was at the Ronstadt Transit Center and someone dropped a jar of something from their groceries. The sound of breaking glass reminded me of hearing the windows busting.

And you know the people around you have no clue why you are breaking out in a sweet and shaking like it is below zero. They have no idea what is going on ( and I hope they never have to get first hand understanding) or what they could do to help. Some ask in hopes to help, but there really is nothing they can do.

PTSD SUCKS!!!!!!

By which I assume she means Pathetic Tucson Sucker of Dicks (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024092001)


Amber, PTSD is for people who have experienced more than a tornado.

I bet the rattle of coins in your cup is the sweetest music you ever heard, right?



Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Mike220 on November 25, 2013, 04:22:54 PM
Yeah. Not buying it. Go home Amber. Let your sisters take care of you. They can arrange a nice warm bed with all the anti-psychotics you could want.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Carl on November 25, 2013, 04:24:40 PM
Three words Amber...**** you poser  :bird:
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Chris_ on November 25, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
Flake.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Traveshamockery on November 25, 2013, 04:27:35 PM
By which I assume she means Pathetic Tucson Sucker of Dicks (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024092001)


Amber, PTSD is for people who have experienced more than a tornado.

I bet the rattle of coins in your cup is the sweetest music you ever heard, right?






Your definition of PTSD is brilliant! 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: dane on November 25, 2013, 04:32:02 PM
Oh, good grief!

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 05:22 PM
 panader0 (10,125 posts)

3. Hang in there LFR.
I wish I had a better vehicle. I'd come to Tucson (I live in Sierra Vista) and take you to lunch.

She must feel *some* degree of guilt for claiming PTSD for her one little tornado when there are so many who have actually suffered actual trauma.  What a poser!
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Tess Anderson on November 25, 2013, 04:49:34 PM
She has mental problems for sure, and she had them long before that tornado.  :whatever: It sure didn't keep her from running to the library and posting at the DUmp, but this lounge thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018523004

makes me wonder if she's not flipping again and wanting to return to Joplin.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 25, 2013, 04:54:44 PM
PTSD: in Amber's case "Post Tucson Silly Dithering".
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 25, 2013, 04:58:16 PM

     She must have a grand mal seizure every time she farts.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 25, 2013, 05:00:41 PM
     She must have a grand mal seizure every time she farts.
Well duh.....it deflates her brain.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: zeitgeist on November 25, 2013, 05:20:54 PM
Chief Whitecloud better watch out if he ever drops a quarter in that flop house vibrating bed. Who knows what it might trigger.

 :runaway:
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 25, 2013, 05:23:52 PM
Chief Whitecloud better watch out if he ever drops a quarter in that flop house vibrating bed. Who knows what it might trigger.

 :runaway:



     Actually, that's probably what he has to do to induce an outcome for himself.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Dori on November 25, 2013, 05:59:58 PM
Oh, good grief!

She must feel *some* degree of guilt for claiming PTSD for her one little tornado when there are so many who have actually suffered actual trauma.  What a poser!

Well in all fairness, it was an EF5.  Killed a couple hundred people and wiped out one third of the town, leveling 7,000 structures.

But I agree with CR, her issues started before the tornado.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 25, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
Well in all fairness, it was an EF5.  Killed a couple hundred people and wiped out one third of the town, leveling 7,000 structures.


A terrible time in American history that tested the nerves of all, as evidenced by Lord Zero's bearing at the time those poor people were dying:


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LiBMzzdjT4U/TdwpE-G_J4I/AAAAAAAAGUY/51QWCCcaYdY/s640/bcf8cdf3854d100bee0e6a7067004a76-APTOPIX+Ireland+Obama.JPEG)

Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Freeper on November 25, 2013, 06:04:30 PM

A terrible time in American history that tested the nerves of all, as evidenced by Lord Zero's bearing at the time those poor people were dying:


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-LiBMzzdjT4U/TdwpE-G_J4I/AAAAAAAAGUY/51QWCCcaYdY/s640/bcf8cdf3854d100bee0e6a7067004a76-APTOPIX+Ireland+Obama.JPEG)

It was a toast to the fallen.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: freedumb2003b on November 25, 2013, 06:10:58 PM
By which I assume she means Pathetic Tucson Sucker of Dicks (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024092001)


Amber, PTSD is for people who have experienced more than a tornado.

I bet the rattle of coins in your cup is the sweetest music you ever heard, right?


Dayum!  I shouldda rode being 3 miles from the Northridge Quake epicenter (picture being inside a jackhammer) to the freaking pity bank!!!  My wife even more so.  We had to send her to relatives in another state for 2 weeks since every tiny rumble (like trucks going by) made her jump out of her skin (me, too, but I could get back to sleep).

It never occurred to us it was PTSD.  We just figured it was "Earthquake just happened and it might happen again."  After about 2 or 3 months we able to sleep OK.

Note: You might recall the aerial shots of a building that looked like a shoebox with a crack down the middle.  That was across the street from me.
 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Skul on November 25, 2013, 06:12:59 PM
An EF5 is nothing compared to the spin the DUmpmonkies and DUmboRATS, are foisting on the American public.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: NHSparky on November 25, 2013, 07:36:24 PM
Amber...a word, if I may:

Here's a few of the things I've been through in my brief turn on this planet:

--When I was 12, my house burned down.  I WAS IN IT when I started.  My mother and I had to walk in bare feet (literally) 200 yards to my next door neighbor and beat on the door to get the neighbors up to call the fire department.

--On my first boat (that's "submarine" for those of you who don't know any better) we ended up snagging something that dragged us down.  Think going through 700 feet with a 20-degree down angle, the Chief of The Watch can't get the Trim Pump started, and the throttleman isn't getting any response on the backing bell ordered.

--A few months later, we're out on an exercise (PACEX '89) and while at 400 feet, doing 10 degree rolls (HIGHLY unusual.)  The OOD thinks it's a good idea to come to PD to get a fix.  We get to 150 feet and are doing 40 degree rolls.  Despite this, someone thought it would be a good idea to continue to PD.  The CO falls (literally) into Control and tells the OOD to get the boat back to 400 feet.  Meanwhile, pretty much everyone who had lunch long since lost it, if they didn't hear what sounded very much like the fairwater planes about to be snapped off.

--I got to pick the brains, skull, etc. of one of my shipmates off the hull of that same boat about a year later, when he decided he'd had enough and blew his brains out while on watch.  The XO's comment was, "Get this mess hosed off before sunrise!"  The CO's comment was, "Good thing we won't have to paint over it."

--I, along with many of my shipmates, got to go through a no-shit, honest-to-****ing-God SUPER Typhoon (Google Omar 1992) before it hit Guam.  We also got to clean up afterwards.  That's how I got my Humanitarian Medal, in case you were wondering.

--I got a phone call from my mother at 2 am one morning telling me my sister was dead, out of the blue.  I got to plan the funeral.

--A couple of years ago, I was working 80-hour weeks, going through the middle of a nasty divorce, and coping with the imminent loss of my father from lung cancer, who I got to fly 3000 miles to memorialize a week before Christmas.

So to you DUmmies I say:

BRING IT ON, MOTHER****ERS!!!!
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: GOBUCKS on November 25, 2013, 07:38:28 PM
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And you know the people around you have no clue why you are breaking out in a sweet

I'm sure Amber smells awful anyway. I'd hate to be around when she breaks out in a "sweet".

The Ronstadt Transit Center is the downtown bus station where bums and winos hang out in Tucson. Amber feels at home there.
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Rio Nuevo manager Greg Shelko said perceptions about crime are one reason why more retailers haven’t located downtown.

“We have to prove that it’s safe here,” Shelko said recently.

Maggie Golston, founder of Biblio, said last year that social ills around the bookstore’s East Congress location were one reason she closed.

The store sat across the street from the Ronstadt Transit Center, the hub for Sun Tran buses and a hangout for the homeless and others downtown. Crowds make it a hot spot for violent crime, police said.

Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 25, 2013, 07:51:23 PM
Wasn't Amber in the hospital, after being thrown from a moving car by a John, or something?

Her stories are starting to get tangled together.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: NHSparky on November 25, 2013, 07:54:31 PM
Wasn't Amber in the hospital, after being thrown from a moving car by a John, or something?

Her stories are starting to get tangled together.

Not as tangled or nasty as her hair after not washing for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 25, 2013, 08:05:59 PM
What a whiner!  :mental:
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: redwhit on November 25, 2013, 10:34:54 PM
You'd never guess it from the stories over at DU and across the net but PTSD is an actual thing and what she's describing ain't it.  What's appalling is people deciding they have PTSD and then milking it for all it's worth 'cause all that does is make every thinking person believe PTSD is another bullshit excuse.  Not only is PTSD real, it's very treatable when approached with discipline, honesty, and a willingness to do hard work along with a qualified counselor.

Guess I just lost my patience with someone who's making everyone's life harder.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: delilahmused on November 25, 2013, 10:41:07 PM
I've never known anybody who had PTSD from a tornado. These people look for ways to have a mental illness.

Cindie
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: freedumb2003b on November 25, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
Amber...a word, if I may:

Here's a few of the things I've been through in my brief turn on this planet:

--When I was 12, my house burned down.  I WAS IN IT when I started.  My mother and I had to walk in bare feet (literally) 200 yards to my next door neighbor and beat on the door to get the neighbors up to call the fire department.

--On my first boat (that's "submarine" for those of you who don't know any better) we ended up snagging something that dragged us down.  Think going through 700 feet with a 20-degree down angle, the Chief of The Watch can't get the Trim Pump started, and the throttleman isn't getting any response on the backing bell ordered.

--A few months later, we're out on an exercise (PACEX '89) and while at 400 feet, doing 10 degree rolls (HIGHLY unusual.)  The OOD thinks it's a good idea to come to PD to get a fix.  We get to 150 feet and are doing 40 degree rolls.  Despite this, someone thought it would be a good idea to continue to PD.  The CO falls (literally) into Control and tells the OOD to get the boat back to 400 feet.  Meanwhile, pretty much everyone who had lunch long since lost it, if they didn't hear what sounded very much like the fairwater planes about to be snapped off.

--I got to pick the brains, skull, etc. of one of my shipmates off the hull of that same boat about a year later, when he decided he'd had enough and blew his brains out while on watch.  The XO's comment was, "Get this mess hosed off before sunrise!"  The CO's comment was, "Good thing we won't have to paint over it."

--I, along with many of my shipmates, got to go through a no-shit, honest-to-****ing-God SUPER Typhoon (Google Omar 1992) before it hit Guam.  We also got to clean up afterwards.  That's how I got my Humanitarian Medal, in case you were wondering.

--I got a phone call from my mother at 2 am one morning telling me my sister was dead, out of the blue.  I got to plan the funeral.

--A couple of years ago, I was working 80-hour weeks, going through the middle of a nasty divorce, and coping with the imminent loss of my father from lung cancer, who I got to fly 3000 miles to memorialize a week before Christmas.

So to you DUmmies I say:

BRING IT ON, MOTHER****ERS!!!!

Dude --

You have had the worst run of bad luck I have read/seen/heard.

The fact you remain upbeat and optimistic is the death-toll for "progressives" who whine and scream PTSD (and taxpayer-subsidized housing, meds, etc.).  

But if I was any of them I would kill myself.

The fact they live is an indictment of the straw "values" they have.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Chris_ on November 25, 2013, 10:44:31 PM
I've never known anybody who had PTSD from a tornado. These people look for ways to have a mental illness.

Cindie
But she's special. ::)

Again, flake.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 25, 2013, 10:45:24 PM
Not as tangled or nasty as her hair after not washing for a few weeks.

Where's that JIZZ graphic when we need it?
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: landofconfusion80 on November 26, 2013, 06:50:49 AM
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why you are breaking out in a sweet and shaking like it is below zero

Well, alright.....!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vA3BgpAa_s[/youtube]
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: NHSparky on November 26, 2013, 07:43:23 AM
Dude --

You have had the worst run of bad luck I have read/seen/heard.

The fact you remain upbeat and optimistic is the death-toll for "progressives" who whine and scream PTSD (and taxpayer-subsidized housing, meds, etc.).  

But if I was any of them I would kill myself.

The fact they live is an indictment of the straw "values" they have.


See, that's just it--I don't consider it "bad luck", merely the things that can happen in one's life.  If anything, these experiences I've had have made me STRONGER, learning how to deal (or not deal) with stress.  I don't just shut it down and cry about the stuff that has happened to me that I can't control, can't change, or can't erase.

Some people ruck up and move on.  Some curl up in a ball and cease to function as normal human beings.  I'd like to think I'm firmly in the former category.  

As coach would say, "excrecence happens."  I refuse to let the "bad" things in life control or define me.

ETA: Conversely, I've also had some wonderful things happen in my life.  Scoobie and the kids very high (if not actually on top) on that list.  I've been fortunate to be pretty healthy.  I've worked hard, been gifted with a good talent and an ability to learn new things, which has translated quite well into my life.  I really want for nothing in my life.  Believe me, my list of things to be thankful for I remind myself of daily, not just over a turkey once a year with the family.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Traveshamockery on November 26, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
See, that's just it--I don't consider it "bad luck", merely the things that can happen in one's life.  If anything, these experiences I've had have made me STRONGER, learning how to deal (or not deal) with stress.  I don't just shut it down and cry about the stuff that has happened to me that I can't control, can't change, or can't erase.

Some people ruck up and move on.  Some curl up in a ball and cease to function as normal human beings.  I'd like to think I'm firmly in the former category.  

As coach would say, "excrecence happens."  I refuse to let the "bad" things in life control or define me.

ETA: Conversely, I've also had some wonderful things happen in my life.  Scoobie and the kids very high (if not actually on top) on that list.  I've been fortunate to be pretty healthy.  I've worked hard, been gifted with a good talent and an ability to learn new things, which has translated quite well into my life.  I really want for nothing in my life.  Believe me, my list of things to be thankful for I remind myself of daily, not just over a turkey once a year with the family.

Scoobie and the kids are lucky to have you.  I'm a sucker for a good love story. 

Like you said, we ALL have bad things happen to us in our lives, and we deal with it and move on.  How you deal with it is what determines your character.   
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: wasp69 on November 26, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
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Lady Freedom Returns (6,302 posts)

PTSD STINKS!!!!
I was down at the U of A Stadium this Saturday, enjoying the activities going on outside. I was not ready for what I heard coming from the Stadium. Sirens, the kind that reminded me of Tornado Sirens. I had a wee bit of a breakdown.

A week earlier I was at the Ronstadt Transit Center and someone dropped a jar of something from their groceries. The sound of breaking glass reminded me of hearing the windows busting.

And you know the people around you have no clue why you are breaking out in a sweet and shaking like it is below zero. They have no idea what is going on ( and I hope they never have to get first hand understanding) or what they could do to help. Some ask in hopes to help, but there really is nothing they can do.

PTSD SUCKS!!!!!!

When you can tell me what sound a 7.62x39 mm makes as it passes by the bridge of your nose, so close the heat and air displacement makes your eyes water, I'll worry about your PTSD from a tornado that didn't leave a ****ing scratch on you.

Until then... 

(http://thefinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Obama-big-middle-finger.jpg)

Zip it, headcase.

Sparks, I hear ya and understand completely.  Got a few sea stories without happy endings, myself, and still manage to be successful.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Freeper on November 26, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
These idiots get PTSD if their pizza gets delivered in 31 minutes instead of 30.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: freedumb2003b on November 26, 2013, 06:02:45 PM
See, that's just it--I don't consider it "bad luck", merely the things that can happen in one's life.  If anything, these experiences I've had have made me STRONGER, learning how to deal (or not deal) with stress.  I don't just shut it down and cry about the stuff that has happened to me that I can't control, can't change, or can't erase.

Some people ruck up and move on.  Some curl up in a ball and cease to function as normal human beings.  I'd like to think I'm firmly in the former category.  

As coach would say, "excrecence happens."  I refuse to let the "bad" things in life control or define me.

ETA: Conversely, I've also had some wonderful things happen in my life.  Scoobie and the kids very high (if not actually on top) on that list.  I've been fortunate to be pretty healthy.  I've worked hard, been gifted with a good talent and an ability to learn new things, which has translated quite well into my life.  I really want for nothing in my life.  Believe me, my list of things to be thankful for I remind myself of daily, not just over a turkey once a year with the family.

Agreed.  If life was easy for me I would not have learned fromovercoming excrement obstacles.  And I think we both look back with no small contentment on how we worked through them.  No "mountain high" or high-falutin' prose.  Just doing what had to be done.  Pay the rent, buy cheap beer, pay the bills -- all of them.

It is what men do.  And women. But we still rightly call it "manning up."
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Dori on November 26, 2013, 06:13:24 PM
These idiots get PTSD if their pizza gets delivered in 31 minutes instead of 30.

I just don't get all this PTSD stuff.  I do with vets, especially after prolonged deployment, but one traumatic episode?

Maybe our resident medical experts can weigh in on this issue.   :)

 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Freeper on November 26, 2013, 06:40:37 PM
I just don't get all this PTSD stuff.  I do with vets, especially after prolonged deployment, but one traumatic episode?

Maybe our resident medical experts can weigh in on this issue.   :)

 

They use the term PTSD to excuse them being idiots, this is a disservice to those who truly have it.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 26, 2013, 06:42:13 PM
I just don't get all this PTSD stuff.  I do with vets, especially after prolonged deployment, but one traumatic episode?

Maybe our resident medical experts can weigh in on this issue.   :)

Dori,

A person can legitimately develop PTSD after a single traumatic episode. Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK83241/) is the current clinical definition of PTSD.

But Amber is lying. She's trying to jump on the disability gravy train.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 26, 2013, 06:50:15 PM
You'd never guess it from the stories over at DU and across the net but PTSD is an actual thing and what she's describing ain't it.  What's appalling is people deciding they have PTSD and then milking it for all it's worth 'cause all that does is make every thinking person believe PTSD is another bullshit excuse.  Not only is PTSD real, it's very treatable when approached with discipline, honesty, and a willingness to do hard work along with a qualified counselor.

Guess I just lost my patience with someone who's making everyone's life harder.

I was diagnosed by a Real Deal Psychiatrist, but other than assaults/abuse the only trauma that involved potentially my life at risk was talking my stepfather into putting the loaded gun down when he was loaded, angry, and wanted to take it out on the front porch to wave it at someone.  I wasn't worried he'd shoot intentionally, but *terrified* the gun would go off from his poor trigger-finger discipline as my mother was close to him, pleading for him to put it down.  I drew his attention (and the muzzle of the gun naturally) toward myself instead of her, spoke firmly, and he listened.  I was also standing between him and the front door, to try to save him a legal charge or a stray bullet going outside the house.

I could say all the life shit I've gone through, too, and I think it's silly to try to compare who has the better sob story and how well or how not well they've coped.  Edit to add: I try to follow the idea of not judging til I've walked a mile in a person's shoes, then walked back and returned them. ;)

For me, my worst symptoms have been night terrors and waking up with severe sleep starts if I sense a human nearby while I'm sleeping.  (Hospitals are terrible for that, FWIW).  The medication that's helped the most?  Prazosin.  Great if your blood pressure already runs high, if you're not hypertensive it can cause some dizziness in the mornings, but the body adjusts.  Also has reduced the frequency and severity of nightmares.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: wasp69 on November 26, 2013, 07:07:23 PM
I could say all the life shit I've gone through, too, and I think it's silly to try to compare who has the better sob story and how well or how not well they've coped.  Edit to add: I try to follow the idea of not judging til I've walked a mile in a person's shoes, then walked back and returned them. ;)

If that is what you got out of this, then you completely missed the point.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 26, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
If that is what you got out of this, then you completely missed the point.

Nope, that was actually in response to the person who listed the traumas they have dealt with well.  I admire them for being strong people. 

The Prazosin, or MiniPress, is a drug that is underutilized in treating night symptoms of PTSD -- it's even reduced my overactive startle reflex when awake.  It's not narcotic or addictive, though it will lower blood pressure so isn't suitable if you consistently run below 90/50 normally -- I run 110/70 normally and that's where it takes me to in the mornings, and that's when I have to stand up slowly.  But it is a far better solution if a person needs medication along with proper therapy than benzodiazepines, which are over-prescribed and have severe withdrawal effects even if not abused but used as directed.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: wasp69 on November 26, 2013, 07:55:41 PM
Nope, that was actually in response to the person who listed the traumas they have dealt with well.  I admire them for being strong people.  

Then why didn't you quote him?

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The Prazosin, or MiniPress, is a drug that is underutilized in treating night symptoms of PTSD -- it's even reduced my overactive startle reflex when awake.  It's not narcotic or addictive, though it will lower blood pressure so isn't suitable if you consistently run below 90/50 normally -- I run 110/70 normally and that's where it takes me to in the mornings, and that's when I have to stand up slowly.  But it is a far better solution if a person needs medication along with proper therapy than benzodiazepines, which are over-prescribed and have severe withdrawal effects even if not abused but used as directed.

God almighty...  Have you ever considered that sometimes in life it's not how hard you hit, it's how hard you can get hit and still push forward?  To be able to overcome and win?
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: GOBUCKS on November 26, 2013, 08:02:51 PM
Nope, that was actually in response to the person who listed the traumas they have dealt with well.  I admire them for being strong people. 

The Prazosin, or MiniPress, is a drug that is underutilized in treating night symptoms of PTSD -- it's even reduced my overactive startle reflex when awake.  It's not narcotic or addictive, though it will lower blood pressure so isn't suitable if you consistently run below 90/50 normally -- I run 110/70 normally and that's where it takes me to in the mornings, and that's when I have to stand up slowly.  But it is a far better solution if a person needs medication along with proper therapy than benzodiazepines, which are over-prescribed and have severe withdrawal effects even if not abused but used as directed.

DUmmy lunatics are far more entertaining in their natural environment over in the DUmp loonybin.

Here, they're just sickening.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: redwhit on November 26, 2013, 08:40:57 PM



Wasn't talking to you, wasn't talking about you, certainly don't know enough to do either.  I'm glad you've found a drug that helps with the sleep, hope you're getting proper counseling as well.

My point remains the same: what Amber described ain't PTSD and people tend to discount PTSD as a real thing because too many bullshit artists use it as an easy way to the disability train.  In a perfect world, PTSD disability would be temporary and contingent on therapy work but we haven't walked into Utopia yet.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: obumazombie on November 26, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
Dori,

A person can legitimately develop PTSD after a single traumatic episode. Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK83241/) is the current clinical definition of PTSD.

But Amber is lying. She's trying to jump on the disability gravy train.
It's contagious among the closed company of libs.

If I were a judge in the Amber case, do you know what her sentence would be ?
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 26, 2013, 08:45:05 PM
It's contagious among the closed company of libs.

If I were a judge in the Amber case, do you know what her sentence would be ?

Yes, I do.

 :-)
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Vagabond on November 26, 2013, 09:12:28 PM
You'd never guess it from the stories over at DU and across the net but PTSD is an actual thing and what she's describing ain't it.  What's appalling is people deciding they have PTSD and then milking it for all it's worth 'cause all that does is make every thinking person believe PTSD is another bullshit excuse.  Not only is PTSD real, it's very treatable when approached with discipline, honesty, and a willingness to do hard work along with a qualified counselor.

Guess I just lost my patience with someone who's making everyone's life harder.

I have made comments about mine in past posts.  It isn't as bad as some, it is worse than in others.  It is worse when it is co-morbid with something else going on.  Everything you just said is accurate.  When I know it is acting up, I schedule some time with a psychologist and work on it.

She claims a tornado is the root cause of all her problems.  Well I'll trade her.

I have a couple of medals that were issued to me for "especially meritorious actions on behalf of his country."  Those actions will remain a secret.  I didn't get them for dating the general's daughter.

A couple of weeks after that, about 2 AM, a buddy ran off the road and was thrown out of his car.  I went back to find him and was holding him when he died.

Years later, I was one of the only contractors on my contract that routinely went under the wire going to other bases to provide training and equipment to troops.  I was in one vehicle that was the target of an IED that went off.

I was excercising one night, near "Z" lake for those that know of it.  A mortar round went off in front of me, as the alarm sounded and I heard more.  I realized they were walking my direction.  I through myself faced down and rolled over.  I prayed that it would be quick about the time the Anti-ballistic battery on Strawberry Hill picked off the one that would have hit me.  There is luck, and then there is providence.  My mind actually blotted this one and the next out until later when a counselor started asking.

Another time, I was on Camp Liberty when a mortar attack happened in daylight.  One round, no warning.  It hit right across a canal from me.  It killed one guy outright and injured a couple of others.  I felt helpless because I couldnt't get to them.

Then there is the one that bugs me because it makes me feel like a wimp.  A big bomb went off in Baghdad.  I didn't see it, but it pushed the door to my office closed from the pressure.  It sounded like a garbage truck that picks up dumpsters.  A giant clanging sound.  On the other hand, when I get jumpy from hearing a garbage truck, I know it's time to talk to the counselor.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 26, 2013, 10:36:25 PM
Then why didn't you quote him?

Because I was trying not to post a ton as you guys are at least temporarily allowing me as a houseguest.  I apologize.

Quote
God almighty...  Have you ever considered that sometimes in life it's not how hard you hit, it's how hard you can get hit and still push forward?  To be able to overcome and win?

Yes, I have.  I'm sorry if somehow I've offended you by trying to let people know who might read this thread and be dealing with the trap of benzos prescribed in good faith by their doctor and taken in good faith) to deal with particularly nighttime PTSD issues a treatment that made a world of difference for me in one of my primary symptoms.  It's a blood pressure pill, pure and simple.  When taken at night, it reduces the affect of adrenaline rushes that can occur during nightmares and particularly the ones that cause night terrors.  And by agreeing that yes, it is real.  And that yes, it can be overcome.  With proper therapy, and sometimes medication can be needed in the initial stabilization process. 

And I was the one who said, in reference to things said on the thread itself, exactly that, maybe not in the best words.  I assume, at least, you mean how hard you have been hit, not how hard you hit.  I think there *are* many people who compete in martyrdom vs fighting to survive and live a productive life.  The latter is obviously the more appropriate attitude.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 26, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Because I was trying not to post a ton as you guys are at least temporarily allowing me as a houseguest.  I apologize.

Yes, I have.  I'm sorry if somehow I've offended you by trying to let people know who might read this thread and be dealing with the trap of benzos prescribed in good faith by their doctor and taken in good faith) to deal with particularly nighttime PTSD issues a treatment that made a world of difference for me in one of my primary symptoms.  It's a blood pressure pill, pure and simple.  When taken at night, it reduces the affect of adrenaline rushes that can occur during nightmares and particularly the ones that cause night terrors.  And by agreeing that yes, it is real.  And that yes, it can be overcome.  With proper therapy, and sometimes medication can be needed in the initial stabilization process. 

And I was the one who said, in reference to things said on the thread itself, exactly that, maybe not in the best words.  I assume, at least, you mean how hard you have been hit, not how hard you hit.  I think there *are* many people who compete in martyrdom vs fighting to survive and live a productive life.  The latter is obviously the more appropriate attitude.


     I think the issue, in part, is that we in general don't need to be lectured on PTSD when we are generally loathe to claim it, ESPECIALLY by self-diagnosis. It's possible that someone can be afflicted by PTSD and NOT want to claim it as a badge of honor. Not that it's shameful, but I suspect most CCers don't walk around bragging about their issues.

    Think that over.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 26, 2013, 11:26:44 PM

     I think the issue, in part, is that we in general don't need to be lectured on PTSD when we are generally loathe to claim it, ESPECIALLY by self-diagnosis. It's possible that someone can be afflicted by PTSD and NOT want to claim it as a badge of honor. Not that it's shameful, but I suspect most CCers don't walk around bragging about their issues.

    Think that over.

If you think admitting my mental health issues to anyone other than people online is easy, you're very wrong.  Mine wasn't self-diagnosed, and I often feel like I'm somehow more fragile than I should be because again, as I said, I've only been in one situation where I could have been shot.  Just one.  Not dozens, not years or decades of my life.  Sure, my life was not easy, but whose is?  Why should I be screwed up over things when others could have handled that situation with my stepdad in their sleep, yet it made me phobic of ever going into that house again, the house I grew up in?  I DO understand the self-loathing that comes with feeling like you weren't tough enough to hack it, and how that's one of the first roadblocks to overcome in therapy -- that no, you weren't weak, you aren't weak, and you don't have to be weak in the future unless you choose to.

I don't consider it a badge of honor.  Yet when I say I think it's silly the way many people do treat it that way, that competing in martyrdom as I really feel it is, people seem to accuse me of seeing it as that. 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 26, 2013, 11:41:37 PM
If you think admitting my mental health issues to anyone other than people online is easy, you're very wrong. 

Lorelai- reality check.  It's time to stop.

We are strangers to you, and reasonable people do not talk about their mental health problems, medications, or sexual abuse history with strangers. Talk to your doctor, your pastor, your husband/boyfriend/girlfriend, your cat*, or your mother about these things- but not strangers on the Internet.

I know that you share this kind of thing with the drooling morons over at DU, but this isn't DU. There is are several reasons the rest of the world has the low opinion of DUmmies that we do; going into inappropriate detail about your mental health is one of them. Expecting affirmation of it is another.

*It's OK to talk to your cat. It's not OK to expect it to solve your problems.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 27, 2013, 12:16:47 AM
Lorelai- reality check.  It's time to stop.

We are strangers to you, and reasonable people do not talk about their mental health problems, medications, or sexual abuse history with strangers. Talk to your doctor, your pastor, your husband/boyfriend/girlfriend, your cat*, or your mother about these things- but not strangers on the Internet.

I know that you share this kind of thing with the drooling morons over at DU, but this isn't DU. There is are several reasons the rest of the world has the low opinion of DUmmies that we do; going into inappropriate detail about your mental health is one of them. Expecting affirmation of it is another.

*It's OK to talk to your cat. It's not OK to expect it to solve your problems.

     Yes, this too. ^5
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: GOBUCKS on November 27, 2013, 12:28:31 AM
It's disappointing how hesitant some lunatic DUmmies are to just end it all.

Most of them sooner or later go the Deadstone route and make the world a better place, but all the deranged drama leading up to it is really irritating and unnecessary.

The exceptions are those DUmmies with a gift for entertainment, like Amber, and DUmmy LocoNuts, and DUmmy Dennis the Menace. Hopefully they'll eventually grow enough balls to do the right thing, but in the meantime they're funnier than a barrel of monkeys.

The worst DUmmies, and the most common, are the drama queens who insist on endless essays about how miserable they are, and how miserable all their friends are, and how miserable the rest of the world is.

The first few paragraphs are funny, but after that they become deadly bores.

Please, DUmmy, no one cares even the slightest bit about how you feel or what happens to you.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 27, 2013, 12:36:54 AM
Because I was trying not to post a ton as you guys are at least temporarily allowing me as a houseguest.  I apologize.

Yes, I have.  I'm sorry if somehow I've offended you by trying to blah blah blah

Knock off the passive-aggressive bullshit. That may work at the DUmp, and you may even get some mileage from it in real life, but not here at the grown-up table.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: dane on November 27, 2013, 12:46:33 AM
Lorelai- reality check.  It's time to stop.

We are strangers to you, and reasonable people do not talk about their mental health problems, medications, or sexual abuse history with strangers. Talk to your doctor, your pastor, your husband/boyfriend/girlfriend, your cat*, or your mother about these things- but not strangers on the Internet.

I know that you share this kind of thing with the drooling morons over at DU, but this isn't DU. There is are several reasons the rest of the world has the low opinion of DUmmies that we do; going into inappropriate detail about your mental health is one of them. Expecting affirmation of it is another.

*It's OK to talk to your cat. It's not OK to expect it to solve your problems.
That was a Hi5 response.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 08:18:46 AM
It's disappointing how hesitant some lunatic DUmmies are to just end it all.

Most of them sooner or later go the Deadstone route and make the world a better place, but all the deranged drama leading up to it is really irritating and unnecessary.
Please, DUmmy, no one cares even the slightest bit about how you feel or what happens to you.

You've made your point.  Is there an ignore feature on here, so you can ignore me and not have to see anything, or is there moderator consensus at this point that your forum is not the right place for me?
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: EagleKeeper on November 27, 2013, 08:29:44 AM
You've made your point.  Is there an ignore feature on here, so you can ignore me and not have to see anything, or is there moderator consensus at this point that your forum is not the right place for me?

Sure there is an ignore feature DUmmie but you gotta use your ginormous brain to figure out how to use it.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 08:34:12 AM
Sure there is an ignore feature DUmmie but you gotta use your ginormous brain to figure out how to use it.

I can take the abuse, it's that GOBUCKS would rather not see my posts.  I guess *they* will have to use their ginormous brain to figure it out, then.

Edit for grammar fail.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: EagleKeeper on November 27, 2013, 08:40:00 AM
I can take the abuse, it's that GOBUCKS would rather not see my posts.  I guess *they* will have to use their ginormous brain to figure it out, then.

Edit for grammar fail.

I don't see anything in GOBUCKS post that suggest he'd put you on ignore, in fact that would be counter intuitive.

Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 08:56:40 AM
I don't see anything in GOBUCKS post that suggest he'd put you on ignore, in fact that would be counter intuitive.



 
DUmmy lunatics are far more entertaining in their natural environment over in the DUmp loonybin.

Here, they're just sickening.

Just one place indicating he'd rather me not be here, in quoting a post of mine.  That's why I asked if in the interim there was an ignore feature for him to use unless mods agreed that this was not the place for me.  

It's not passive-aggressive BS when I say I realize I'm a houseguest in a Conservative home.  I can say I think I enjoy interacting more with RedStaters simply because they seem to be very skilled at the art of passionate but civil debate.

It seemed, possibly, that those of you who enjoy making moles on DU actually enjoyed trying to interact with Democrats, and wanted to have some constructive debate instead of preaching only to the choir -- which is why I enjoy reading RedState. Of course, there are also the ones who continuously create "dieskinnerdie" accounts, too.... I don't want to think that's anyone from your forum.

Edit to add:  You might appreciate this gem from DU2 I wrote when something pissed me off severely in the 2008 election.  Yes, I went on a full on rant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6831745&mesg_id=6831745
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: dutch508 on November 27, 2013, 08:58:38 AM
I can take the abuse, it's that GOBUCKS would rather not see my posts.  I guess *they* will have to use their ginormous brain to figure it out, then.

Edit for grammar fail.

Did you respond to the wrong post? BigDog was calling you out for sharing too much info. GOBUCKS was just commenting on how DUmpmonkie posts are boring.

Oh... nevermind...
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: EagleKeeper on November 27, 2013, 09:06:28 AM
Look Lorelai, I'll remind you of the same suggestion I've given you prior.

Craft a thread on a subject of your choice and then enjoy the constructive debate.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: dutch508 on November 27, 2013, 09:07:03 AM
Quote
It seemed, possibly, that those of you who enjoy making moles on DU actually enjoyed trying to interact with Democrats, and wanted to have some constructive debate instead of preaching only to the choir -- which is why I enjoy reading RedState. Of course, there are also the ones who continuously create "dieskinnerdie" accounts, too.... I don't want to think that's anyone from your forum.

Um... no... and I will explain why you are wrong.

Firstly, moles on DU are there to keep an eye on the DUmpmonkiez, as they have a nasty NAZI like tendency to ban anyone who does try to hold an honest conversation with them, and (in times of great DUmp crisis) shut the site off to non-members when they feel threatened.

Constructive debate is not allowed at the DUmp. If you doubt this, make up a new membership and start posting any story or comment that isn't far left. You will get attacked by the swarming Monkiez flinging poo and shortly be escorted to teh showers by the DUmp GESTAPO.

As we allow you to post here most freely, the DUmp allows no dessent no outside thought no debate.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 09:16:14 AM
Lorelai- reality check.  It's time to stop.

We are strangers to you, and reasonable people do not talk about their mental health problems, medications, or sexual abuse history with strangers. Talk to your doctor, your pastor, your husband/boyfriend/girlfriend, your cat*, or your mother about these things- but not strangers on the Internet.

I know that you share this kind of thing with the drooling morons over at DU, but this isn't DU. There is are several reasons the rest of the world has the low opinion of DUmmies that we do; going into inappropriate detail about your mental health is one of them. Expecting affirmation of it is another.

*It's OK to talk to your cat. It's not OK to expect it to solve your problems.

While I agree this is not the best place, and I will do my best not to overshare anymore here in the future, I think you're misunderstanding how most mental health treatment programs work.  

Some of the most effective modalities include group therapy with people who have never met and many will never meet again except in therapy/group.  Think about the second word in AA -- "Anonymous".  Not to mention that it's far easier to talk about topics a person may feel shame for to people who do not know them.  alt.suicide.holiday has kept more people alive through being able to talk with others with suicidal thoughts without judgment than the number of college kids they've helped take GoBucks's suggested (hopefully more TIC) solution.

Look Lorelai, I'll remind you of the same suggestion I've given you prior.

Craft a thread on a subject of your choice and then enjoy the constructive debate.

Thank you, EagleKeeper.

Um... no... and I will explain why you are wrong.

Firstly, moles on DU are there to keep an eye on the DUmpmonkiez, as they have a nasty NAZI like tendency to ban anyone who does try to hold an honest conversation with them, and (in times of great DUmp crisis) shut the site off to non-members when they feel threatened.

Constructive debate is not allowed at the DUmp. If you doubt this, make up a new membership and start posting any story or comment that isn't far left. You will get attacked by the swarming Monkiez flinging poo and shortly be escorted to teh showers by the DUmp GESTAPO.

As we allow you to post here most freely, the DUmp allows no dessent no outside thought no debate.

Eh, I was pretty new when I posted that rant about everyone jumping on conspiracy theories about Sarah Palin's apparently miraculous and therefore impossible conception late in life.  I didn't get banned.  ;)  I also started up in primary season in 2008 as a Hillary supporter.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: dutch508 on November 27, 2013, 09:42:39 AM
Eh, I was pretty new when I posted that rant about everyone jumping on conspiracy theories about Sarah Palin's apparently miraculous and therefore impossible conception late in life.  I didn't get banned.  ;)  I also started up in primary season in 2008 as a Hillary supporter.


Horse. Water. Dumpmonkiez unwilling to see reality...
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: vesta111 on November 27, 2013, 09:45:43 AM
I don't see anything in GOBUCKS post that suggest he'd put you on ignore, in fact that would be counter intuitive.



Relax sweets GOBUCKS has me on ignore and I am an old lady :-) creeping into old timers disease.    

Now my story about my experience with PTSD.

I at a very young age married a Bubble Head [Submariner] Who I had dated for just a month.  I did so to escape an engagement from another man who was beginning to annoy me with his controlling ways.

We had not done more then some heavy necking and he was  [GASP] still a virgin.  

So we were married and went on our honeymoon and naturally I was very nervous about our first night.

Once in our room the first thing he did was to call his Chief to tell him about our location, then he turned on the bloody TV.      

I went into the bathroom to change into my sexy night gown and when I came out he was sitting up in bed watching the     Wizard of OZ  .

This young handsome man told me this was his favorite movie as a kid and I all dolled up for the night could not get his attention.   Looking back, he was scared shitless of his first encounter.

I had to sit next to him on our wedding night watching a very old movie wondering who would make the first move.

Sadly this experience left me with years of dread when that movie comes on the TV.    

I get all shaky when walking the mall and the film is on their TV's, I freak out when a family member puts this movie on TV.   Brings back the memory of the past and who would make the first move.

PTSD is a horrid condition,  Shell Shock was the term to be used from our Vets returning from war.  You trivialize this condition as I have done in the above post.   Good grief, do you think your experiences were worse then the people that survived Sherman and his march ?

Talk to the Asians that escaped Cambodia and Laos walking 100's of miles to a shelter run by the Canadian and Americans to eventually bring them to safety.

Thank the good Lord you were born in America, a place where you can be all you can be at any age, race or faith.

Were you any kind of Animal you would not last long in the field, you have a big bright V on your forehead that welcomes all to come eat you all up.


Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 27, 2013, 09:53:51 AM


Sadly this experience left me with years of dread when that movie comes on the TV.    




     That is what is called a funny story tinged with sadness, NOT PTSD.

     Herein lies the problem of the liberal and PTSD: you are happy to contort ANY uncomfortable experience into PTSD, while there are probably millions of people getting on with their daily lives who suffer from PTSD AND DON'T EVEN KNOW IT.

     Good thing your husband didn't give you a Dutch Oven - you'd be in a home by now.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: obumazombie on November 27, 2013, 09:56:37 AM
I'm getting Lorelei and vesta mixed up.
Big Dog, your insights on this thread (and all others) are priceless.
No hi5, but a hearty...pew, pew, pew !
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: EagleKeeper on November 27, 2013, 09:57:27 AM
Relax sweets

Relax yourself :censored: if you call me sweets again I will go out and kill a puppy!
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 10:20:14 AM
Relax sweets GOBUCKS has me on ignore and I am an old lady :-) creeping into old timers disease.    


PTSD is a horrid condition,  Shell Shock was the term to be used from our Vets returning from war.  You trivialize this condition as I have done in the above post.   Good grief, do you think your experiences were worse then the people that survived Sherman and his march ?

Talk to the Asians that escaped Cambodia and Laos walking 100's of miles to a shelter run by the Canadian and Americans to eventually bring them to safety.

Thank the good Lord you were born in America, a place where you can be all you can be at any age, race or faith.

Were you any kind of Animal you would not last long in the field, you have a big bright V on your forehead that welcomes all to come eat you all up.


I thought I already answered this, by saying that I already recognize that my experiences were nothing like those who have served in wars, or even as police officers.  And while I hope no one would trivialize the absolute idiocy of an angry drunk with poor trigger finger discipline wanting to go outside and wave a gun at someone he was mad at, most would have been able to handle it far better than I.  At least I did get him to put it down before he broke the law, and my mother finally got my hint and got AWAY from him rather than crowding him trying to take it from him.  All's well that ends well, you'd think.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: NHSparky on November 27, 2013, 11:09:18 AM
Did you respond to the wrong post? BigDog was calling you out for sharing too much info. GOBUCKS was just commenting on how DUmpmonkie posts are boring.

Oh... nevermind...

Hey, I dropped a bunch of crap that outside those who were there with me I don't easily discuss.  I was pretty reluctant to bring it up for several reasons: 1--didn't want to make it look like a dick-measuring contest (I'd lose, compared to what you and several others have dealt with when you were in uniform) 2--I'm not big on playing the pity-party, 3--in the grand scheme of things, who (besides me and a few other people) really give a shit?

Maybe that's the difference between us and them...PERSPECTIVE.  Like the old movie line, "In a hundred years, who's gonna care?"

What Amber doesn't/can't/won't understand is that TENS OF THOUSANDS of people were affected by that one tornado.  MILLIONS are affected by traumatic events each and every year.  But the vast majority of people aren't exposed to that kind of stress more than once in their lives, if that often, yet most who are cope, regroup, and move on.  Those who cannot do not deserve our scorn but our compassion.  HOWEVER, when using that experience as an excuse or a crutch to not do shit for themselves, there's where my compassion ends.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 11:45:54 AM

Horse. Water. Dumpmonkiez unwilling to see reality...

You're quite right, I was accused of working for the RNC for that one.  I tried to lead them to water. It still took weeks for them to stop talking about it, realizing it really was just making Dems look idiotic.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Dori on November 27, 2013, 11:48:56 AM
It seems there are some young women who enjoy playing and exploiting the victim/martyr/drama role. I don't know if they are predisposed to it, conditioned to it as a child, or what.

I probably sound a little hard and unsympathetic towards my own gender.  I've never been that way, and I find it immature and irritating.


 









 

 

 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: lorelai on November 27, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
It seems there are some young women who enjoy playing and exploiting the victim/martyr/drama role. I don't know if they are predisposed to it, conditioned to it as a child, or what.

I probably sound a little hard and unsympathetic towards my own gender.  I've never been that way, and I find it immature and irritating.

Not really, no, you don't.  I lived in Bentonville, working supporting Wal-Mart's servers as a vendor, at the time of the Joplin tornado.  I have absolutely no doubt after listening to the scanners that night that many emergency workers have PTSD from it -- anytime a group of people is coming across 10 dead bodies in an hour (I listened for three, and that was the fewest I counted in that timeframe when they just said "Another one" followed by some variation of a cuss word after.  There was no need for any more information to know what they were talking about than their tone of voice.

I have no idea what Amber saw that night, and wasn't active on DU at that time -- I take many hiatuses.  I don't know if her house was destroyed, or what, and honestly it's not a concern of mine.  I have no money to help anyone out right now, all I can do is pray, and that's free so I'm not feeling like I'm getting ripped off when I light a candle for her along with the others on my prayer list.  All I know is that it was surreal to drive through Joplin even months later when they were still clearing debris and my company went up there to volunteer (after the first day they sent the girls to the tent to sort donations by size and usability, pairing shoes donated in boxes, etc, and had the guys out doing the hard work).  An F5 hitting a major city (for that area, it was bigger than my town) is no laughing matter.  158 people didn't survive to potentially develop PTSD out of the nearly 50,000 residents.

My paternal grandmother was absolutely terrified of thunderstorms after an experience where my dumbass father decided to try to outrun a tornado (I was in preschool thank goodness) in early December of 1982.  Dad talked about it fine, laughing about the "Hallelujah Chorus" when it was in sight behind them and getting closer, and we decided in our family that either God or Jehovah definitely was the right name, because my paternal grandmother was a Jehovah's Witness.  Mom just put us kids in the bathtub with a twin mattress over us every time there was a siren, but thunderstorms themselves didn't scare her.  That one killed at least one person in Arkansas that day, another three were killed Christmas Eve by an F4.

I had a bit of debris pelt me on the shoulder from one that was not on the ground at that time, it hopped right over Wal-Mart's David Glass building.  I was outside stupidly watching for it when my weather radar app showed it was going to be a close approach and went out for a cig at the "wrong" time, one coworker was bitching about everyone calling and taking up all our overnight lines.  I heard the sound for the first time, and RAN inside, and felt a touch of debris, had tree bark on my back but not much.  By the time I got through all the badged doors, the building was shaking.  All I did was get a weather radio for my home, because before when we knew it'd be a close approach I had called my now-ex to tell him what happened, and he was still so sleepy (we both worked odd shifts) that he woke up, went into the living room in front of the picture glass window, and went back to sleep!  Never heard the siren.  I had an app on the iPhone I'm selling now on eBay, too.  My sister and her husband storm-chase and enjoy it.  I wasn't traumatized at all by my experience, just wanting to make sure my partially deaf love at the time wouldn't sleep under the window again.  (We did have to have shingles replaced after -- and if you have an attic fan and they do a shingle replacement in that style of house... hope you have hardwood floors.)

Not everyone reacts the same way to an experience.  If she was not brought up knowing about tornadoes and used to drills and sirens, an F5 probably was very traumatic for her even if her home wasn't destroyed, just seeing the devastation that night even as a civilian.  If she hasn't had access to therapy because of not having a stable place to live, she could still be living in 2011 instead of 2013.  But I don't know her, and haven't kept up with her story.

----

But you are correct, there are also many people who compete in their martyrdom/victimhood, instead of choosing to move forward and take steps for their own health.  

I had my intake at least for therapy if not medication maintenance yesterday.  I'll get to go once a week for a reasonable price, and while $80 a month is going to be expensive for my current income, I know the help will be worth it.  I'm applying for every program that's out there that will get my medications paid for.  I'm working from home as I can.  I found a rental situation I could handle.  I know I can always live with my sister if I'm ever that broke, though I still paid her rent when I lived there two months in my transition after I was laid off (2nd out of 4 hospitalizations in 18 months, 2nd of 3 in 12).  Only reason I mention it is that's guideline level from the Listing of Impairments.  (Don't get me started on the people who apply and plan to never work again -- I WANT to work, they have a "ticket to work" program that I'm going to ask for help from as soon as I'm eligible, and I'll be thrilled to be able to work full-time and not miss so much they can't afford to keep me.  People told me to apply before that, I wouldn't until I was sure I'd met a listing *and* been out of work a year already.)

I count my blessings, that all of those things are available to me.  And that I worked and paid in my taxes enough that if I continue to rack up three hospitalizations a year, I won't be on SSI.  That I had enough savings to live for a year and at least keep up with my physical health before really hitting a crunch.  

One of the blessings, though, was being told about Prazosin, and that's why I posted in this thread in the first place.  I was able to take myself off the Klonopin my pdoc had originally prescribed because of it.  It's $4.  It works.  It might even do two things at once if you're mildly hypertensive (the indicated dose is one of the lowest, 1-2 mg).  I look forward to coming off of it when I've worked enough through that particular issue in therapy.  The VA usually does know about it, but not all people are going through the VA.  If one person didn't know about it and it helped them, it was worth the rest of this thread IMHO.

And I'm done.  Because this was bouncier than Dolly Parton running without a bra.

Pardon the edit. ;) and also, my family went to many 12-step programs (Alateen and the original ACA, sometimes spelled ACoA).  We were taught there to speak of your own experiences rather than give advice.  So I tend to "bouncy" rather than give advice or state an opinion/judgment, especially if I'm trying to be diplomatic.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: dutch508 on November 27, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
 :o

Jesus wept! Stop giving vesta a run for her money for long assed rambling post!

I caught the PSTD just from trying to read it.

bitchslap.


for everyone.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Mike220 on November 27, 2013, 02:35:19 PM
:o

Jesus wept! Stop giving vesta a run for her money for long assed rambling post!

I caught the PSTD just from trying to read it.

bitchslap.


for everyone.

Such a giver.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BannedFromDU on November 27, 2013, 02:58:44 PM
Such a giver.


     These Amber threads usually end up as overwrought sausage fests. Jeez. Enough.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Skul on November 27, 2013, 03:09:52 PM
Some one up a few, has been taking writing lessons from the Pittstain.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Bad Dog on November 27, 2013, 03:30:10 PM
lorelai, please stop......just stop.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Linda on November 27, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
lorelai, please stop......just stop.

DITTO!!!
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: freedumb2003b on November 27, 2013, 06:27:05 PM
DITTO!!!

Did anyone read past the 1st sentence?

Unless posted by well-known and interesting posters, NO ONE reads them long posts.

Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: obumazombie on November 27, 2013, 08:15:46 PM
Did anyone read past the 1st sentence?

Unless posted by well-known and interesting posters, NO ONE reads them long posts.


Thank you for asking that question.
My answer is no.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Big Dog on November 27, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
:o

Jesus wept! Stop giving vesta a run for her money for long assed rambling post!

I caught the PSTD just from trying to read it.

bitchslap.


for everyone.

It was enough to give the Buddha ADD.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Chris_ on November 27, 2013, 09:24:36 PM
tl;dr
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Traveshamockery on November 27, 2013, 09:38:36 PM
lorelai, please stop......just stop.


As one who can also get wordy in her posts, I agree with you.  This is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: GOBUCKS on November 27, 2013, 09:46:27 PM
Mentally-ill DUmpmonkeys always write loooong, rambling, disjointed posts. It would be so appreciated if they could stop beating around the bush and simply leave a nice concise suicide note, but right up until the last moment when they finally do the world a favor, they persist in these boring, endless, whiny diatribes.

DUmmies, especially the real nutjobs like the one currently hanging around here, are a lot like zoo monkeys. They're entertaining as hell when you go to the zoo, to their little island surrounded by a moat. You can watch them chase each other, gingerly wade into the water to retrieve a peanut, play with sticks, and toss crap at each other. They're funny and enjoyable.

But if you come home to find a zoo monkey swinging from your draperies, climbing on your china cabinet, it's another thing altogether. Their incessant noise, their offensive behavior, and their overpowering odor make them not the least enjoyable. They instantly become pests, vermin. But to the monkey, that's all just normal. Thank goodness they rarely last for long.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: JLO on November 27, 2013, 10:23:55 PM
Did anyone read past the 1st sentence?

Unless posted by well-known and interesting posters, NO ONE reads them long posts.

I did not read past the first sentence. 
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: NHSparky on November 28, 2013, 07:30:10 AM
Did anyone read past the 1st sentence?

Unless posted by well-known and interesting posters, NO ONE reads them long posts.



And even then I try to avoid them.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: jtyangel on November 28, 2013, 07:34:27 AM
Lorelai- reality check.  It's time to stop.

We are strangers to you, and reasonable people do not talk about their mental health problems, medications, or sexual abuse history with strangers. Talk to your doctor, your pastor, your husband/boyfriend/girlfriend, your cat*, or your mother about these things- but not strangers on the Internet.

I know that you share this kind of thing with the drooling morons over at DU, but this isn't DU. There is are several reasons the rest of the world has the low opinion of DUmmies that we do; going into inappropriate detail about your mental health is one of them. Expecting affirmation of it is another.

*It's OK to talk to your cat. It's not OK to expect it to solve your problems.

I have to agree with Big Dog on this. I've known people on this forum for almost 10 years in some cases and most do not know anything about the things I've been through since I have not shared it with them and like others there have been some doozies that hit me over the emotional head like a sledgehammer. I consider it private business and I deal with anything that has affected me privately although I might as a point of reference discount things I see DU posting by postulating that others have been there too to show just how ridiculous the martyrdom is there. For example, LFR and the tornado, when people here have been through hurricanes, tornadoes, ice storms, and many of the military have done that on boats rolling around in the water or fully exposed to the elements while on duty protecting this country and its interests. If for no other reason, I don't know why anyone would want to share their vulnerabilities like that with just anyone. I would think folks would want to keep that with people they trusted to handle their fragility and vulnerability with some love and care. Just another way of looking at things...
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: ChuckJ on November 28, 2013, 07:41:44 AM
Mentally-ill DUmpmonkeys always write loooong, rambling, disjointed posts. It would be so appreciated if they could stop beating around the bush and simply leave a nice concise suicide note, but right up until the last moment when they finally do the world a favor, they persist in these boring, endless, whiny diatribes.

DUmmies, especially the real nutjobs like the one currently hanging around here, are a lot like zoo monkeys. They're entertaining as hell when you go to the zoo, to their little island surrounded by a moat. You can watch them chase each other, gingerly wade into the water to retrieve a peanut, play with sticks, and toss crap at each other. They're funny and enjoyable.

But if you come home to find a zoo monkey swinging from your draperies, climbing on your china cabinet, it's another thing altogether. Their incessant noise, their offensive behavior, and their overpowering odor make them not the least enjoyable. They instantly become pests, vermin. But to the monkey, that's all just normal. Thank goodness they rarely last for long.

Well said and very true.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: NHSparky on November 28, 2013, 09:28:06 AM
I have to agree with Big Dog on this. I've known people on this forum for almost 10 years in some cases and most do not know anything about the things I've been through since I have not shared it with them and like others there have been some doozies that hit me over the emotional head like a sledgehammer. I consider it private business and I deal with anything that has affected me privately although I might as a point of reference discount things I see DU posting by postulating that others have been there too to show just how ridiculous the martyrdom is there. For example, LFR and the tornado, when people here have been through hurricanes, tornadoes, ice storms, and many of the military have done that on boats rolling around in the water or fully exposed to the elements while on duty protecting this country and its interests. If for no other reason, I don't know why anyone would want to share their vulnerabilities like that with just anyone. I would think folks would want to keep that with people they trusted to handle their fragility and vulnerability with some love and care. Just another way of looking at things...

Amen, jty--aside from a few things I've shared here over the years, most people here (even those of you on FB) see very little of what goes on in the lives of me, Scoobs, and the kids.  Girl has a new haircut?  Great.  Unloading my deepest darkest thoughts or experiences?  Not even close.

I've experienced more than most, less than others.  What I've seen and done makes me who I am.  When I start dwelling or living in the past, I stop growing.

I refuse to do that.  I've been lucky that I do not have PTSD, nor do I really believe I've been exposed to the kind of situations that would tend to lead to it.  As has been stated elsewhere, people who REALLY have the condition don't brag about it, or even talk about it much.  Amber is dysfunctional and needs help, to be sure, but PTSD?  Not even close.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: GOBUCKS on November 28, 2013, 09:44:38 AM
Amber is dysfunctional and needs help, to be sure, but PTSD?  Not even close.
Amber Hoyt is sober as a judge compared to the wackonut Dump reject who's been posting here.

Amber's only problem is that she's dumber than a stump.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: Carl on November 28, 2013, 09:48:05 AM
lorelai...if any of this is true just please make sure that you are actually getting real therapy and not just someone feeding you pharmaceuticals and ringing the cash register.

My gut feeling is that you will get better "treatment" just hanging out here,asking questions and listening to the answers from regular people that have all endured hardships but never once let them define their life or kept them from rising above.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: BlueStateSaint on November 28, 2013, 11:35:07 AM
Amen, jty--aside from a few things I've shared here over the years, most people here (even those of you on FB) see very little of what goes on in the lives of me, Scoobs, and the kids.  Girl has a new haircut?  Great.  Unloading my deepest darkest thoughts or experiences?  Not even close.

I've experienced more than most, less than others.  What I've seen and done makes me who I am.  When I start dwelling or living in the past, I stop growing.

I refuse to do that.  I've been lucky that I do not have PTSD, nor do I really believe I've been exposed to the kind of situations that would tend to lead to it.  As has been stated elsewhere, people who REALLY have the condition don't brag about it, or even talk about it much.  Amber is dysfunctional and needs help, to be sure, but PTSD?  Not even close.

Yup.  I've revealed some stuff about me, to people I trust, on here--not much, though.

PTSD?  Gotta agree with Sparky--not even close, from what I understand of PTSD.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: wasp69 on December 02, 2013, 12:02:54 PM
I understand that some of this has been addressed by other posters, but I wanted to respond directly to you.  I want to make clear that I am not piling on.

Because I was trying not to post a ton as you guys are at least temporarily allowing me as a houseguest.  I apologize.

Unless you decide to shit in the sink, drag your ass across the carpet, and wipe your private parts with the drapes, you will encounter no problems at CC.  The fact that you haven't been shown the door for being a DUmp democrat should have told you that.

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I'm sorry if somehow I've offended you by trying to let people know who might read this thread and be dealing with the trap of benzos prescribed in good faith by their doctor and taken in good faith) to deal with particularly nighttime "PTSD" issues a treatment that made a world of difference for me in one of my primary symptoms.

Two things:

1.  If you ever "offend" me, there will be no mistaking as to the what, where, when, why, how and my suggestions for remedy.  For the record, it takes a lot to "offend" me, unless it comes to matters of active duty/veterans.  

2.  This thread is not the place to tell everyone your success with nighttime "PTSD" treatments.  If you wish to pass on your secrets for success, find the proper forum and start a thread.

The quoted sentence was an attempt at an emotional brush-back pitch.  I'll let you know now that those don't put me in a sudden defensive posture, I've survived too many teenage drama queens to let it.  IE, I don't tolerate passive/aggressive behavior very well, and I damn sure expect better from an "adult".

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Yes, I have.  

Then, why haven't you done it?

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It's a blood pressure pill, pure and simple.  When taken at night, it reduces the affect of adrenaline rushes that can occur during nightmares and particularly the ones that cause night terrors.  

So you're depressing your system before you go to sleep?  That doesn't strike me as being a very smart thing to do.

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I assume, at least, you mean how hard you have been hit, not how hard you hit.  

No, I didn't.  My words were very clear and concise.  Anyone can "hit", how well one does in life is a matter of how hard they can be "hit" and keep pushing forward.  You have to be able to withstand damage when it is delivered or you will never "win".

Had I meant what you said, I would have said it.
Title: Re: Amber reminds us of her PTSD
Post by: wasp69 on December 02, 2013, 12:13:16 PM
Eh, I was pretty new when I posted that rant about everyone jumping on conspiracy theories about Sarah Palin's apparently miraculous and therefore impossible conception late in life.  I didn't get banned.  ;)  I also started up in primary season in 2008 as a Hillary supporter.

Good thing you didn't bitch about obamacare, you might have been one of the victims of a good, old fashioned chain drag around $kinner's internet Mogadishu (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023919170). 

That, my dear, is a link to the grave dancing on a 10 year DUmp veteran that your Einsatzgruppen found to be having impure thoughts.