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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on July 08, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
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Star Member groundloop (7,393 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212255958
Epstein Clinton link?
Since the news of Jeffry Epstein's arrest came out, and his link to tRump, a few people have mentioned that Epstein was also friendly with Bill Clinton. I knew nothing of that, so wasn't able to offer up any kind of response.
All I've been able to find so far is that Bill Clinton rode on Epstein's plane a number of times. I'm sure that the right wingers I work with will be bringing up the Clinton connection, so can anyone point me toward some factual information about this?
:thatsright:
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
2. You can start here:
http://www.google.com
:whatever:
Star Member groundloop (7,393 posts)
12. Thanks, that was ever so helpful.
Do you think I'd be posting this if I hadn't spent some time with google first?
DUH.
Star Member emulatorloo (37,406 posts)
28. I guess if you couldn't find anything on google, maybe you should self-delete your OP?
google is already deleting any negative news about [D]s...
gratuitous (65,616 posts)
3. I've heard about that, too
The funny thing about having principles (principles like don't sex traffic girls) is that they apply to folks you don't like as well as folks you like. If Clinton is shown to have participated in the sex trafficking (rather than simply being friendly with a very wealthy man), I'll gladly see him go down for it. A person has to be a special kind of stupid to think that if Clinton was mixed up in Epstein's sleaziness it somehow lets Trump off the hook for the same thing. I realize that argument will be put forward by some Very Serious People, but it should be called for the bullshit it is each and every time.
well, we know Bill like young girls...
especially interns...
:-)
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
22. There has never been any evidence that Clinton was involved with Epstein's sleazy sex life
And you can bet that, if there was even a scintilla, it would have been rubbed in our faces years ago by the people who turned consensual sex, Benghazi and some stray emails into years-long scandals.
Star Member MLAA (3,777 posts)
23. Exactly, rape is rape. Doesn't matter if R or D. If guilty, they need to be in prison.
... but is it rape rape?
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
24. Impossible to prove a negative
The impossibility of proving something DIDN’T happen is what Clinton’s enemies bank on...
:o omg... irony is off the ****ing charts!!!!
Star Member emulatorloo (37,406 posts)
36. If you can't find facts, then why would you want to spread these rumors?
I admit to being confused.
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Star Member lapfog_1 (21,612 posts)
57. Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation
both as a donor and possibly as one of the co-founders.
So far there has not been an allegation of Bill Clinton having sexual conduct with underage girls from the few who has testified... but then we only have testimony from a very few of the dozens to hundreds of women involved.
Of the women who have come forward with allegations of people other than Epstein they were to engage with sexually include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, President Trump, and many other current or former world leaders (Bill Richardson). There is also an allegation that these sexual contacts were secretly recorded by Epstein to be used to blackmail the various powerful people involved.
uh..... no.
Mach1miles (31 posts)
13. This won't go well here.
Best to let it rest and let the courts sort it out.
guilty of thought crime.
Star Member GoCubsGo (21,851 posts)
18. Epstein donated millions to the Clinton Foundation.
It remains to be seen whether or not their relationship went beyond that. Epstein was chummy with LOTS of public figures, male and female. He he's a businessman and does a lot of his business on his private islands. A lot of people rode on his planes. There aren't really any other ways to get there if you don't own a private jet. And, a lot of his friends and associates have their own planes, so not riding on them doesn't absolve those whose names never showed up on the manifests (e.g., Donald J. Trump.)
Just remind your co-workers that Bill Clinton is not the co-defendant on rape charges against Epstein. Trump is.
again, no. Blatant lie. trump provided info to the accuser's' lawyer... not a perp, but a witness for the prosecution, you ****ing maggots. :thatsright:
Star Member elfin (6,262 posts)
20. i suspect bad behavior by Clinton
Epstein was deliberate in finding people in power on both sides of politics and judiciary etc so he would be covered in case of more ethical people and institutions going after him.
As to Bill - it was probably "parties" that only included of age "escorts', or even something entirely innocent. No matter. He is on record as keeping company with the sleaze. So be it. Something else Hillary needs to clean up for the sake of Chelsea, marriage and on and on.
I have always wondered if the care she took to set up a private server was to hide more of Bill's "entanglements." She is pathologically private - with good reason. Not only to shield her family from the loony wingers, but to keep Bill's weaknesses from torpedoing her well-deserved accomplishments and ambitions.
BIG heat and connections are coming to bear to protect Epstein. Nauseating. All because he is uber-rich and is able to pander to the greed or salcaious weaknesses of others in Power.
:lol:
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
25. You're doing a lot of baseless speculation with absolutely no evidence
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jberryhill (56,680 posts)
34. Welcome to DU
Didn't you know that Pence was called back to the WH the other day, because Trump and Pence were both going to be arrested for involvement in Eptein's crimes, thus making Nancy Pelosi president?
I learned that right here on DU.
I'm just waiting for confirmation from Louise Mensch and Michael Avenatti.
:mental: but I think he's being ironic...
Star Member solara (3,322 posts)
41. Maybe Pence is a little bit scared
or maybe has a guilty conscience- could be why he refuses to be in a room alone with a woman without his "Mother" - (erm, I mean Karen Pence) with him and maybe why he rushed back to DC in a panic ( I am assuming the panic part..I just SO wanna see him go DOWN)
:yawn:
Star Member AJT (3,855 posts)
50. I think Epstein will be pardoned by 45 before any trial.
It is a federal case, a pardon is possible. I doubt much of anything will get out.
It's better for Epstein to take the pardon and be guilty than to go through a very public trial.
:o
Star Member AJT (3,855 posts)
66. Maybe, but if 45 is implicated in a trial the pardon would be better than the ugly
sick details of his encounters with young girls.
He'd make up some lame excuse for why he pardoned him, and his base would buy it.
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Star Member maryellen99 (2,866 posts)
63. You all think BC rapes 13 year olds and lusts after his daughter like trump does? Nt
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According to court records, Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane at least 26 times. One or more of those times he ditched his Secret Service protection.
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So is the DUmmie being just a moron or in leftist denial? Which ever here you go you fricken little commie.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/victims-feds-hid-sweetheart-deal-sex-offender-deep/story?id=36843144
Court files document long-running ties between Epstein and the former president. Bill Clinton flew on at least six trips with Epstein and his entourage in 2002 and 2003 including to international destinations such as Paris, Bangkok and Brunei, according to logs kept by one of Epstein’s pilots.
(https://i.imgur.com/WwLhaMs.jpg)
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DU-folk are declining to apply the guilt-by-association to Clinton that they are applying on a mass scale to Trump. Except where Epstein and Trump knew each other from their overlapping social circles, Clinton's social circle probably did not overlap Epstein's, and Clinton flew on Epstein's plane far more often. IOW, Clinton has more 'splainin' to do and didn't voluntarily rat out Epstein to the lawyer of a plaintiff suing Epstein.
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Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known (https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known)
Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.
Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.
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Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane. They do show Clinton flying aboard Epstein’s plane to such destinations as Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, China, Brunei, London, New York, the Azores, Belgium, Norway, Russia and Africa.
Among those regularly traveling with Clinton were Epstein’s associates, New York socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein’s assistant, Sarah Kellen, both of whom were investigated by the FBI and Palm Beach Police for recruiting girls for Epstein and his friends.
Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10 U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is listed. The U.S. Secret Service has declined to answer multiple Freedom of Information Act requests filed by FoxNews.com seeking information on these trips. Clinton would have been required to file a form to dismiss the agent detail, a former Secret Service agent told FoxNews.com.
In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.
This is probably a decent summary of what is known of WJC's flights on Epstein's plane. Of course it probably could not be posted on DU without their ritual howls about Reich-Wing news sources.
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Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
24. Impossible to prove a negative
The impossibility of proving something DIDN’T happen is what Clinton’s enemies bank on...
It's impossible unless you're a conservative being put up for the Supreme Court...right?
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It's impossible unless you're a conservative being put up for the Supreme Court...right?
Perfectly stated. :cheersmate:
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Clinton put out a statement denying it.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212257495
George II (39,929 posts)
7. That should shut down the rumors.
:whatever:
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Well you are an ignorant stupid DUmbass.
1. Epstein liked to **** young little girls.
2. Bill Clinton liked to fuch anything with two tits and caun.
3. The Venn diagram has a lot of overlap.. like 93%.
4. You are an indoctinated piece of shit I would the hell out of.. then triple tap.
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jberryhill (56,680 posts)
34. Welcome to DU
Didn't you know that Pence was called back to the WH the other day, because Trump and Pence were both going to be arrested for involvement in Eptein's crimes, thus making Nancy Pelosi president?
I learned that right here on DU.
I'm just waiting for confirmation from Louise Mensch and Michael Avenatti.
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
DU gonna need a whole lot of burn salve after that epic call-out! Well, if they weren't completely oblivious to jberryhill's dry wit, anyway, being mainly witless themselves.
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Star Member groundloop (7,393 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212255958
Epstein Clinton link?
Since the news of Jeffry Epstein's arrest came out, and his link to tRump, a few people have mentioned that Epstein was also friendly with Bill Clinton. I knew nothing of that, so wasn't able to offer up any kind of response.
All I've been able to find so far is that Bill Clinton rode on Epstein's plane a number of times. I'm sure that the right wingers I work with will be bringing up the Clinton connection, so can anyone point me toward some factual information about this?
Well the reason you haven't heard of it is because either a) You've got your head up your ass b) $kimmer doesn't allow mention of anything bad the Clintoons have done because his wife has working ties to the Clintons or c) all of the above
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Well the reason you haven't heard of it is because either a) You've got your head up your ass b) $kimmer doesn't allow mention of anything bad the Clintoons have done because his wife has working ties to the Clintons or c) all of the above
Rush Limbaugh was mentioning that libs are scrubbing Epstein's Wikipedia page to remove any links to Slick Willie.
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Star Member groundloop (7,393 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212255958
Epstein Clinton link?
Since the news of Jeffry Epstein's arrest came out, and his link to tRump, a few people have mentioned that Epstein was also friendly with Bill Clinton. I knew nothing of that, so wasn't able to offer up any kind of response.
All I've been able to find so far is that Bill Clinton rode on Epstein's plane a number of times.
And he rode those teen age girls just as many times as well. :naughty: :naughty:
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Star Member lapfog_1 (21,612 posts)
57. Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation
both as a donor and possibly as one of the co-founders.
So far there has not been an allegation of Bill Clinton having sexual conduct with underage girls from the few who has testified... but then we only have testimony from a very few of the dozens to hundreds of women involved.
Pound believe her Pound Me too.
Your rules, lefty. Live by them!
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Well the reason you haven't heard of it is because either a) You've got your head up your ass b) $kimmer doesn't allow mention of anything bad the Clintoons have done because his wife has working ties to the Clintons or c) all of the above
Scarcasm aside, DU-folk do insulate themselves - very effectively - from truths they don't want to hear. It's part of the reason they are so unprepared for things not going their way.
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Clinton put out a statement denying it.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212257495 :whatever:
He claims 4 trips with Epstein. Fox News has proof of 26.
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He claims 4 trips with Epstein. Fox News has proof of 26.
Apparently it was four trips with a total of 26 legs.
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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #151)
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 08:37 PM
trueblue2007 (11,079 posts)
156. I ECHO YOUR WORDS. THIS IS A BAD THREAD. Just a few words Please self delete.
MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Apparently it was four trips with a total of 26 legs.
Most of those legs were attached to girls averaging 14 years of age.
Seriously, though, the left wing has been going into overdrive gaslighting all social media content regarding the Clinton/Epstein "Lolita Express connection. Wikipedia has virtually eliminated Clinton's involvement while highlighting Trump's conversation he had in 2002 with regard to "young girls," of which Trump was obviously referring to ADULT young women. In addition, Trump kicked him out of the Mar A Lago for hitting on a 16 year old employee years after that encounter.
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Most of those legs were attached to girls averaging 14 years of age.
Seriously, though, the left wing has been going into overdrive gaslighting all social media content regarding the Clinton/Epstein "Lolita Express connection. Wikipedia has virtually eliminated Clinton's involvement while highlighting Trump's conversation he had in 2002 with regard to "young girls," of which Trump was obviously referring to ADULT young women. In addition, Trump kicked him out of the Mar A Lago for hitting on a 16 year old employee years after that encounter.
All of this should be pretty simple. You should only be attracted to 14-15 year olds when you are the same age. Otherwise, it means you are a freak.
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All of this should be pretty simple. You should only be attracted to 14-15 year olds when you are the same age. Otherwise, it means you are a freak.
I don't think that Clinton is particularly attracted to 14-15 year-olds, he'll just screw anything even if they happen to be underage. I'm surprised that he differentiates between male and female.
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I don't think that Clinton is particularly attracted to 14-15 year-olds, he'll just screw anything even if they happen to be underage. I'm surprised that he differentiates between male and female.
Donuts rolling across the barbershop floor aren't safe either
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Donuts rolling across the barbershop floor aren't safe either
Knot holes in trees, chain link fences, and inner tubes are also told to beware.
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Knot holes in trees, chain link fences, and inner tubes are also told to beware.
Yeah, but hell. We've SEEN HIS WIFE.
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Most of those legs were attached to girls averaging 14 years of age.
Seriously, though, the left wing has been going into overdrive gaslighting all social media content regarding the Clinton/Epstein "Lolita Express connection. Wikipedia has virtually eliminated Clinton's involvement while highlighting Trump's conversation he had in 2002 with regard to "young girls," of which Trump was obviously referring to ADULT young women. In addition, Trump kicked him out of the Mar A Lago for hitting on a 16 year old employee years after that encounter.
Google has eliminated virtually all of the publically available images of WJC and Epstein together, and are instead putting pics of him and DJT in their searches.
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Rush Limbaugh was mentioning that libs are scrubbing Epstein's Wikipedia page to remove any links to Slick Willie.
Thank goodness the internet is forever. Just because Slick Willie's defenders get the links scrubbed from the current page doesn't mean it/s not archived out there somewhere.
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Scarcasm aside, DU-folk do insulate themselves - very effectively - from truths they don't want to hear. It's part of the reason they are so unprepared for things not going their way.
And it makes for some weapons grade meltdowns when reality slaps them in the face.
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I'm willing to bet the OP knows a lot about his Epstein-Barr connection.
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He claims 4 trips with Epstein. Fox News has proof of 26.
Depends on the definition of "trips". Some or all of those "4 trips" probably involved multiple stops along the way. IOW Fox News may have counted each point-to-point flight as a trip. So there is a way for Fox News and Bill to have both been accurate about this.
Oops, I missed Mary Ann's post pointing this out.
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I'm willing to bet the OP knows a lot about his Epstein-Barr connection.
I've heard that Dems are demanding that AG Barr recuse himself from this new Epstein case - not that I'm aware he's been involved - because 40 or 50 years ago Barr's father hired Epstein as a teacher at a private school. The Dems are desperately trying to smear Trump and his peeps with Epstein.
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Jeffrey Epstein Dodged Questions About Sex With His Dalton Prep-School Students
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-dodged-questions-about-sex-with-his-dalton-prep-school-students
In 1974, Dalton was run by headmaster Donald Barr—father of Attorney General William Barr, whose Justice Department recently began a review of Epstein’s 2007 non-prosecution agreement for the Palm Beach child sexual assault charges. Writers have noted the interesting coincidence. However, Donald Barr resigned in turmoil in February of 1974 (according to the March 14, 1974 issue of The Daltonian) which was seven months before Jeffrey Epstein began teaching there that fall. While it is possible that Donald Barr may have hired Epstein, if he made personnel decisions long in advance, the Dalton School lost four math teachers (according to The Daltonian) prior to the 1974-75 school year. Therefore the school may have hired Epstein, in part, out of an urgent need to fill vacant positions—even though Epstein did not have a college degree.
Peter Branch was the acting headmaster after Barr’s departure and he may have hired Epstein. Full verification would require access to Dalton’s personnel records, if they still retain them. I put a Freedom of Information Law (FOIL) request into the State of New York Department of Education and they reported having no teaching license on file for Epstein—this may suggest that he was not planning on a career in teaching. Unlike public schools, it should be noted, a private school like Dalton does not require its teachers to possess a state teaching license or certificate.
Donald Barr left the Dalton School before Jeffrey Epstein was hired. There was turmoil at the school.
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Another Prog-narrative bites the dust. Unsurprisingly.